Music: The P2P Revelution

[Xion-Fox]

Okay, I don't know how to put this without being an ass so I'm just gonna fucken say it.

WTF? You stupid greedy fucking bastards, youwant to close down all peer-to-peer networking? why? becuase its shorting you like a million dollars out of the 10,000 billion dollars you cock suckers make every year?

Seriously music is an art, its meant to be shared with people not horded and sold at rediculous prices, ya know what I mean 20 bucks for a CD that costs something like 20 cents to make, most of us aren't even pirates.

Okay so we dl a few songs we hear off the radio, or we dl a fucken music vid whats the issue? I see issues with the movies personally I won't do that. I'll go out and buy it first.

This is more a rant than anything else but if ya wanna respond or post your own rant go fucken hard.

[TheShrike]

SRCEW TEH RIAA.

[Thanatopsis]

i agree that prices have goten out of hand but at the same time select artists should be suported what little they are for there music, select independent artist really only make there music from records and fan support.

just for refrence i have the brake down of the costs involved in the cd from consept to sale.
$5-5.50 goes to the recording label profits
$3-4 goes to the wholesale distributors and retail store profits
$.50-$2 for artist royaltys normaly at best 50 cents unles your the MJ of the world
$1-2 for miscellaneous shipping musicians fees and drtust fund
$1-2 recording and studio costs
$1-2 Design and packaging
$1-2 for promotion and advertising

this all came out of my intro to mass communication text book.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/19/04 10:54 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: WTF? You stupid greedy fucking bastards, youwant to close down all peer-to-peer networking?

You communist. peer-2-peer networking is for commies. God.

[Commander-K25]

Is downloading music right in a legal sense? No, probably not, but the music companies aren't exactly endearing themselves to the public with their lawsuits. They're trying to prop up an outdated business model and resist technological change. However, technological change is inexorable and if they go with it they will ultimately be better off.

The music industry once resisted the self-playing piano and recorded music for the same reasons: they were going to be 'put out of business'. At least that's what they thought, but when they embraced new technologies, they found that there was far more money in recorded music than sheet music, they simply had to rethink their businesses. That's what the music industry must do now, because you can't stop change, and suing over it just pisses everyone off.

[Fiend-Lore]

At 2/19/04 11:53 PM, -redskunk- wrote: You communist. peer-2-peer networking is for commies. God.

maybe you should be more posotive with your fellow posters. personaly, he did go a little over board with the language, but he did have some very good points. maybe you should pay more you should be a little less cocky.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/19/04 11:53 PM, -redskunk- wrote: You communist. peer-2-peer networking is for commies. God.

YAY FOR COMMIES!

[shitt0r]

At 2/19/04 11:53 PM, -redskunk- wrote: You communist. peer-2-peer networking is for commies. God.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

I agree with Commander, the Music Industry needs to adapt to technology.
However I personally have the following interpretation: As Technology (recording and sharing technology) increases, profit decreases (at least temporarily) the amount of money to be made from people who have the highest access to technology.

The obvious conclusion is to produce music that is targeted at people who are too young to fully utilize available technology or those who are economically barred from technology. These two groups are White Pre-teens and Blacks. As a result, the music industry will soon produce nothing but pop music and rap.

[bombkangaroo]

i don't see current p2p services as being "communist". the way i look at it is that they are market forces competing(and winning) with the record companies. this competition doesn't come from within the market itself, but due to the neccessity for it consumers have created it. now the record companies must compete with p2p services for consumers attentions.

while there will be those who will always pirate music/software, there are those who do so simply because they charge bullshit prices for shit formulaic music that nobody wants to listen to. good music is rare enough nowadays and can be difficult to get hold of, and that's if you can find it in a shop alongside "britney spears: oops i shagged my dog 506".

the industry is doing itself no favours by suing preteen honour students who live in fucking projects(from what i've read not sure exactly how accurate that is).

[shitt0r]

Yep, so true, couldn't agree more but there will always be an underground music scene and rock will be the most prominent.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/20/04 02:40 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: i don't see current p2p services as being "communist". the way i look at it is that they are market forces competing(and winning) with the record companies. this competition doesn't come from within the market itself, but due to the neccessity for it consumers have created it. now the record companies must compete with p2p services for consumers attentions.

It is communist, in the fact that it is sharing thing between everyone, so they're equal. In theory.

there are those who do so simply because they charge bullshit prices for shit formulaic music that nobody wants to listen to.

That stuff sells, and is downloaded much more than any other type of music. It's sad really. In my local shop, as you said, Britney spears is readily avaliable, but Metallica is stuck at the back of the shop in the "Oldies"Section.

[TheShrike]

The very concept of sharing anything equally amongst the masses is communist in nature.

Don't try and pretend it isn't, just accept it. It's one of the good parts of communist doctrine.

There is only two types of bands that are played on the radio, big record label bands and local bands. I never heard the Dead Kennedys on the radio and I vaguely remember that they used to play one NOFX song a few years ago.

Most record shops and stores don't accept returns for some asinine reason. Henceforth, before spending $20 CAN I would like to know if what I'm buying is worth every penny of my twenty dollars.

In other words, I download entire albums at a time. Wheter or not I'll burn those songs to a CD or go and buy the CD depends on the integrity and talent of the band (and also if they support any charitable or political organizations).

I assume everyone does the same thing as me? Downloading only to find out if the music is worth buying?

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/20/04 10:49 PM, punk_hippy wrote: I assume everyone does the same thing as me? Downloading only to find out if the music is worth buying?

Punk, stop speaking out of your arse. YOu know as well as I do that everyone burns music in order that they dont have to buy it.

I've gone one better. I plug my PC straight into an amplifier, and then into 2 speakers. I dont even have to burn it onto a CD.

[the-unknown-soldier]

the way i see it, the recording companies were set up because, nobody had the money to make a record. it costs heaps.
then the record companeis figured out how to market their product. they created a system whereby you have to go through them to get anywhere in teh industry. which used to be ok because tehyw ere the onyl ones who could afford to make music. but with recording changes and such anyone can make a cd. the only reason record companies exist is to promote. they create a monopolyu whereby you can only get your music played if you sign up with us. they have a system which nobody can bypass.

if we bankrupt the record companies, that system will no longer be relevant. and free music, or incredibly cheap music

http://www.downhillbattle.org/reasons/index.html

im not just pirating because im cheap, im deliberately doing it to destroy the music industry.

[True-Lies]

At 2/21/04 05:47 AM, the_unknown_soldier wrote: im not just pirating because im cheap, im deliberately doing it to destroy the music industry.

Hm... perhaps I have misjudged you, bold human! Although your plan will probably not work, you have courage. I salute you!

Now, as I've said so many times before, Satan is pulling the RIAA's strings. The RIAA dosen't care what it does anymore; if the RIAA was a person, it'd be the guy that everyone hated, though he couldn't care less. It'd be the type of guy who'd masturbate at a funeral, and then make a drunken pass at the widow.

In short, I hate the RIAA. I hate them, so very, very much.

-yours,
Darkener True Lies

[Xion-Fox]

Weee hoo hoo hoo, Yay, *dances around like Gir*

Can I get some clown Taquitos?

hehe, I apologize for the profanity, it was un called for I'll admit they JUST MAKE ME SO MAD.

The downloading of music I think is far from a crime. *sticks out chest proudly* I am a commy bastard then.

We're talking about an art form that can'tbe surpressed or avoided. If theywant to kill this form of distribution they'llhave to take burners off the market too. What's the difference between someone burning a CD and giving it to a friend and a person just DLing the shit themselves? NOTHING.

Are they gonna prosecute these people too? and what about all the free Radio we get hmmmmmm? Gonna prosecute them too?

For the most part the people i know all have songs on their computers that they have heard and like. for exampleI would never in my life go out and buy the Lion King sound track but I have "Can you feel the love" and "Akuhnamatata" on my computer. Is the Disney company loosing money simply because I ripped off these two songs *pfffft* shit no.

Most people as was said will DL to see if the CD is worth buying. Personally every songI have on my computer has come off a CD I'm going to buy or have owned once already.

Get it together you stinkin fucktards (the music industry) and go with the flow, rather than be bitches use this as a basic form of promotion. Oh wait sorry, that requires thought, I forgot corporations don't think.

Many small time bands, or underground artist I know, I know a few i used tobe one, use p2p networking as free promotion. They are select about what they put on and its not impossible for them to create CD's that simply cannot be copied, holy shit batman, another solution. I'm gonna stop now before I get vulgar again.

Dib: Go away
Gir: OkieDokie

[the-unknown-soldier]

At 2/22/04 01:18 AM, Xion-Fox wrote:

and its not impossible for them to create CD's that simply cannot be copied,

yes it is. if it comes down to it, i can plug my cd player into the mic port of my computer and record it that way. it only takes one person to do that till everybody has that song. copy protection is a joke

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 2/22/04 01:46 AM, the_unknown_soldier wrote:

At 2/22/04 01:18 AM, Xion-Fox wrote:

and its not impossible for them to create CD's that simply cannot be copied,

yes it is. if it comes down to it, i can plug my cd player into the mic port of my computer and record it that way. it only takes one person to do that till everybody has that song. copy protection is a joke

Hm... maybe they could make CDs that are actually blanks with labels put on them... and they can market them as only working in Sponsored listening booths, then, you show your government issued ID and a proof of purchase and you can listen to your cd in a listening booth (after you've been searched for recording equipment of course.) The listening booths would require the cds to cost an extra 10-15 dollars a piece... hmm...maybe this is a bad idea to make public.

[True-Lies]

At 2/22/04 02:15 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

At 2/22/04 01:46 AM, the_unknown_soldier wrote:

copy protection is a joke

I HAVE misjudged you! You are truly worthy!

Hm... maybe they could make CDs that are actually blanks with labels put on them... and they can market them as only working in Sponsored listening booths, then, you show your government issued ID and a proof of purchase and you can listen to your cd in a listening booth (after you've been searched for recording equipment of course.) The listening booths would require the cds to cost an extra 10-15 dollars a piece... hmm...maybe this is a bad idea to make public.

Pshaw, you think that the Recording industry will make it THAT easy for us? You know that they'll force you to get a nano-implant that gets updated each time you purchase a new CD, and THEN you'll have to go through the whole blank CD/listening booth song and dance.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/21/04 05:47 AM, the_unknown_soldier wrote: im not just pirating because im cheap, im deliberately doing it to destroy the music industry.

Destroying the music industry, which will eventually lead to cheaper CD's eh? This isn't an attack, i'm doing it because I'm cheap too, but i'll admit it. You just want to pay less for music.

[True-Lies]

At 2/22/04 04:51 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Destroying the music industry, which will eventually lead to cheaper CD's eh? This isn't an attack, i'm doing it because I'm cheap too, but i'll admit it. You just want to pay less for music.

You're an honest man, Bum. An honest, honest man... I too, am really cheap, and download music just to both spite the RIAA AND because it's free! (seriously though, you can find a lot of rare songs online, it's a great tool :) )

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/22/04 04:56 AM, True-Lies wrote: You're an honest man, Bum. An honest, honest man... I too, am really cheap, and download music just to both spite the RIAA AND because it's free! (seriously though, you can find a lot of rare songs online, it's a great tool :) )

I just dont see the point of saying i'm doing it to bring dowen the RIAA, when EVERYONE's doing it because it's cheaper.

[True-Lies]

At 2/22/04 04:59 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: I just dont see the point of saying i'm doing it to bring dowen the RIAA, when EVERYONE's doing it because it's cheaper.

I'm not doing it to bring down the RIAA (as from my viewpoint, that is quite impossible), I'm doing it cause it's cheap. Spiting the RIAA is just one of the perks that comes along with downloading :)

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/22/04 05:11 AM, True-Lies wrote: I'm not doing it to bring down the RIAA (as from my viewpoint, that is quite impossible),

Nothing's impossible. If enough people do it, then the RIAA will at least take a big hit.

[True-Lies]

Yeah, but another group will emerge to take the RIAA's place, or the RIAA will just morph into another seemingly more tolerant group.

[Relorian]

I too pirate music. I dont know how many times i've done it but i believe theres nothing wrong in free music. For one, i rationalize that out of the 20 bucks i spend for a cd, the artist sees 1 or maybe if they are lucky 2 dollars of my money. I also realize that i can go to their website, buy their merchendice and they get a bigger cut of that 20 bucks than if i buy their CD at Thieftmart (also known as Censormart or Walmart to those of you who dont know they censor all their music).

I pirate because its convient and because its easy. I have no problems doing it, nor will i.

Out of all the piracy out there, the one industry you DONT hear complaining is the Porn Industry. They embraced the technology so half the time your downloading samples that link you to their sites. They got their head in teh tech and know how to play the game.

Apple also knows how to play the game. Itunes is a GOOD idea. I commend them on what they are tryin to do.

Theres a way the RIAA could recoup all their losses, turn a huge profit and embrace the current P2P. They have entire back catalog's of music thats not available on CD or Tape anymore. a WHOLE selection of music NO ONE has but some people want. Put that online, using the iTunes model and boom, they start getting revenue instead of losses. Will they? HELL NO.

Anyway *Puts on Red Star and Hammer and scycle* Hello Fellow Comrades.... Great day for Communism no?

At 2/21/04 04:52 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Punk, stop speaking out of your arse. YOu know as well as I do that everyone burns music in order that they dont have to buy it.

Not me, if a band is good and obscure enough, I'll buy their CD so they don't go bankrupt and starve and can't produce another album.

Well ok, a lot of bands I just download and burn.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/20/04 10:49 PM, punk_hippy wrote: There is only two types of bands that are played on the radio

two words: college radio.
aww yeah!

Downloading only to find out if the music is worth buying?

I actually do.. sometimes. But all I have on my comp right now is really weird, trancy pop crap that I probably would never buy. My fav. bands - I have their CDs.

Because for fucks sake, mp3's sound like shit. And god damnit, LPs sound fuck-loads better than CDs. But I surely don't have room for my record player.