Wouldn't it make more sense if drugs were legalized and we take the money away from violent cartels and drug dealers. we could then tax the hell out of it and use that money to pay for REAL drug education(cause some drugs are really bad fo realz). there would be less nonviolent criminals and police could focus on real crime.
a lot of people are just like any normal person you would meet, but one thing, they use a substance that doesn't harm anyone else to feel good. those people might actually look at the police and feel like they're there to do something for them, not do something to them.
the only thing prohibition creates is a huge black market for criminals to cash in on.
the only thing u could possible make this work with is weed. And just barly. Also as far as i know it could also cause legal problems. You could get pulled over for DUI and as far as i know a brethizer is not going to work with smoke. You can do the old test for DUI but then again you can bring it up in court and say you were indeed not high that day while driving.
I imagine cigerette companys would cash in on this by making like 80 bucks a piece (like a cheap cigar)
You would also then have to be over the legal limit (21) in order to smoke.
There would probably be desginated smoking spots to for weed in public.
alot of companys would not let you get high imeditly before or during work (like alchohol)
Pritty much your looking at ciggerete and alchohol laws put together here.
I can haz cheeseburgur?
I read in a book of useless information (that's actually the title of it) that marijuana was only illegalized in the first place because cotton farmers in the 1800s lobbied against it. So basically our legal system's position on drugs was based on greed and competition for farmland.
The simple fact is that some people will never be happy, no matter how good their lives are.
At 10/6/09 05:56 PM, Freedomblades wrote: Pritty much your looking at ciggerete and alchohol laws put together here.
it would definitely have the same regulation and laws as alcohol has right now.
People don't like those who are happier than them.
Whatever the arguments for legalization of marijuana (to start), the fact remains that there's no way to do it without implicitly endorsing its use. People may tolerate smoking marijuana, but most wouldn't encourage it.
The best way to get around this would be to institute some sort of official social stigma with pot smokers. That way, we could realize the financial benefits while maintaining moral superiority. Perhaps a visible, magical tattoo that reflected how often and how recently the wearer had smoked.
At 10/6/09 05:21 PM, icezizim wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense if drugs were legalized and we take the money away from violent cartels and drug dealers. we could then tax the hell out of it and use that money to pay for REAL drug education(cause some drugs are really bad fo realz). there would be less nonviolent criminals and police could focus on real crime.
Drugs cause a lot of crimes. The only (mainly) harmless drug is weed, pretty much everything else has major health risks. So you're an idiot for suggesting that we legalize things like crack, heroin, etcetera.
'Violent cartels and drug dealers' would still be around, they'd just sell it for lower costs. And as revenge they'd probably spawn a crime spree like you've never seen.
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a lot of people are just like any normal person you would meet, but one thing, they use a substance that doesn't harm anyone else to feel good. those people might actually look at the police and feel like they're there to do something for them, not do something to them.
Try telling that to the millions of peoples either A) dead because of drug use or B) In rehabilitation from their crippling money-sucking addiction. Or C) Currently using, and probably dying.
the only thing prohibition creates is a huge black market for criminals to cash in on.
And millions of healthy people but hey, let's glance over that.
I'm all for legalizing pot (although I quit smoking it a few years ago), but other drugs are just dangerously stupid.
Hey Johnny, let's go down to the wal-mart and buy some crack! YAY!
At 10/6/09 09:28 PM, TheStonePilot wrote: Drugs cause a lot of crimes. The only (mainly) harmless drug is weed, pretty much everything else has major health risks. So you're an idiot for suggesting that we legalize things like crack, heroin, etcetera.
being fat is a major health risk as well, dose that mean it should be illegal to be fat ?
'Violent cartels and drug dealers' would still be around, they'd just sell it for lower costs. And as revenge they'd probably spawn a crime spree like you've never seen.
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what?
there sno way drug dealers can or will match , LET ALONE have there prices lower then coperations can.
Try telling that to the millions of peoples either A) dead because of drug use or B) In rehabilitation from their crippling money-sucking addiction. Or C) Currently using, and probably dying.
yes becuase some tards don't know what the word moderation means, that means they ruin the fun for everyone else.
And millions of healthy people but hey, let's glance over that.
if you call being in jail for a victimless crime healthy , then yeah sure.
I'm all for legalizing pot (although I quit smoking it a few years ago), but other drugs are just dangerously stupid.
yeah pot is some magical drug that cures all aliments but every other drug is bad.
Hey Johnny, let's go down to the wal-mart and buy some crack! YAY!
that would be awsome.
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At 10/6/09 09:34 PM, fatape wrote:
being fat is a major health risk as well, dose that mean it should be illegal to be fat ?
There are actually MANY laws that try and make people less fat. Look at school lunches for example, and the 'sugar tax' bill.
what?
there sno way drug dealers can or will match , LET ALONE have there prices lower then coperations can.
They'll try. And yes, that point may be faulty.
yes becuase some tards don't know what the word moderation means, that means they ruin the fun for everyone else.
Let's take Cocaine for example:
1) One hit of cocaine creates a mental craving, anything above an ounce.
2) Cocaine gives you extremely increased chance for heart attacks.
3)Raises your blood pressure.
4)Causes twitching, paranoia, and impotence, which increase the more often you take it.
5)Depression.
6)Chest pain, asthma, Dyspnea, Bruxism, Pruritis, Bronchospasm, etc.
7)Causes Lethargy, Psychosis, Depression (again)
Now let's try heroin:
1)Chance of catching HIV or Hepatitis
2)Decreased Kidney Fuction
3)Chronic Constipation
4) Extreme physical dependance.
5) Heroin withdrawal starts as early as 6 hours after taking the drug.
I could go on, but you get the idea.
if you call being in jail for a victimless crime healthy , then yeah sure.
Besides, you know, the American populace. Then yeah, it's victimless.
yeah pot is some magical drug that cures all aliments but every other drug is bad.
Pot has barely any side effects. You can scroll up, or conduct a basic wikipedia search if you want to see all the side effects of other drugs.
that would be awsome.
Whatever you say, dude. It's like, the real person is, like, underneath the skin.
The only thing near legalization they should be is decriminalized.
And even that's taking it too far.
The only safe drug really is Marijuana.
All of the other drugs do no positive for you and are a hell of a lot more worse than Marijuana.
If every drug were legalized, imagine how the world would be, what sort of shit would be going on.
Keep every drug but marijuana illegal, and only decriminalize marijuana and we will be fine.
Yeah, whatever.
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People who smoke weed may think that weed is fine and harmless, but I'm pretty sure you'll find somebody who uses high-class drugs like cocaine or LSD would tell you the exact same things unless they were stuck with a life-screwing addiction.
That's why the people who don't use these drugs are making the rules.
At 10/6/09 10:12 PM, EpicFail wrote: If every drug were legalized, imagine how the world would be, what sort of shit would be going on.
you seem to not realize that any person with half a brain and a little social skills can go out and find any drug they want right now, despite it being illegal.
legalizing drugs would NOT be a solution to our drug problem, its a solution to our crime problem.
the only way to lower drug use is to use education, not prohibition.
cigarettes are legal and used to be a huge problem, now with the recent education programs about the risks of cancer the number of people who start smoking has dropped by around 80%.
At 10/6/09 11:28 PM, Polonium wrote: People who smoke weed may think that weed is fine and harmless, but I'm pretty sure you'll find somebody who uses high-class drugs like cocaine or LSD would tell you the exact same things unless they were stuck with a life-screwing addiction.
That's why the people who don't use these drugs are making the rules.
so your saying that the government should act like everyone's nanny and tell them what they can and cannot do with their life? just because something is legal, doesn't mean your encouraged to do it.
At 10/6/09 11:34 PM, icezizim wrote:
so your saying that the government should act like everyone's nanny and tell them what they can and cannot do with their life? just because something is legal, doesn't mean your encouraged to do it.
That's WHY the government was made.
At 10/6/09 10:12 PM, EpicFail wrote: The only thing near legalization they should be is decriminalized.
One question, itsn't it legal if it's decriminalized?
At 10/6/09 11:57 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:At 10/6/09 10:12 PM, EpicFail wrote: The only thing near legalization they should be is decriminalized.One question, itsn't it legal if it's decriminalized?
No, despite the fact that 12 (maybe 13 now) states have decriminalized marijuana, you can still get a fine/have it go on your record (much like a speeding ticket) and for those states it's only to an extent, for example, if you sell it, carry around 5 pounds of it, (and in some states, grow it) then you can still go to jail.
At 10/6/09 05:56 PM, Freedomblades wrote: the only thing u could possible make this work with is weed.
You would be surprised. You could easily do it with mushrooms. Also places like Britain are looking at decriminializing Extacy. And in Switzerland (maybe sweeden, I forget) there are government run places to go get heroin.
And honestly, if it were regulated, coke wouldn't be so bad.
Most drugs are proihibited because of the same prohibition movement that stopped alchohol in the 20's. The uber-victorian people of the time felt they couldn't trust people who like to experience an altered state. So the put a strict ban on altered states. It has ballooned into a massive waste of taxpayer money.
(The only drugs I feel could not be regulated by the government for distribution are Crack and Meth. They tear a body to pieces in a very short time)
At 10/7/09 01:55 AM, awkward-silence wrote:At 10/6/09 05:56 PM, Freedomblades wrote: the only thing u could possible make this work with is weed.You would be surprised. You could easily do it with mushrooms. Also places like Britain are looking at decriminializing Extacy. And in Switzerland (maybe sweeden, I forget) there are government run places to go get heroin.
Eh, the mushrooms don't seem like too bad of an idea but the X I would call rather iffy, if they did do it though I would definitely hope it was a prescription thing because rolls can vary in intensity and effects extremely.
And honestly, if it were regulated, coke wouldn't be so bad.
There, I would seriously draw the line, coke is not good at all, coke is just plain bad, not because of the effects you get while on it (I was rather disappointed in coke because I had sensationalized it in my mind) but the mental effects/defects you can get long after stopping it's use. schizophrenia, paranoia, problems socializing, etc.. etc... make it in my opinion, a drug that should be illegal.
(The only drugs I feel could not be regulated by the government for distribution are Crack and Meth. They tear a body to pieces in a very short time)
You say you think crack should be illegal but you think coke should? What are you going to do, regulate baking soda and coffee filters?
I think both of them are a big no-no
drinkers should be given badges as that is 'morally wrong' or whatever, considering they'll cause trouble and you'll die if you're a chronic user
should differentiate between plants and compounds, as purified substances are more dangerous
see coca tea compared with cocaine
same with extracted food items
chance of transmitting disease if you inject it, not any other method
People who smoke weed may think that weed is fine and harmless, but I'm pretty sure you'll find somebody who uses high-class drugs like cocaine or LSD would tell you the exact same things unless they were stuck with a life-screwing addiction.
except LSD isn't addictive, and the LD50 of caffeine is 300mg per kg, a single dose is 100mg,
THC ld50 is 1270 mg per kilo with a dose being 10 mg
so your starbucks is more harmful
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The problem with taxing it heavily is that some drug cartels would still bring the cheap stuff and criminality would still exist.
The only way to ensure safe drug traffic is to provide it cheap and maybe even make it easily accessible. To be honest, still, I don't know how I would feel if I found out my wife was buying heroine in the supermarket for home use, though. But I may be prejudiced.
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At 10/6/09 09:28 PM, TheStonePilot wrote: Drugs cause a lot of crimes. The only (mainly) harmless drug is weed, pretty much everything else has major health risks. So you're an idiot for suggesting that we legalize things like crack, heroin, etcetera.
The reason drugs cause more crime is because of prohibition. Have you ever heard of a comic shop owner getting shot for selling comics on someone else's territory?
Furthermore, when they've done trials with heroin clinics in which people can get clean heroin in a supervised environment, petty crime in the area DROPS.
Drugs don't cause crimes. Prohibition of drugs causes crimes by turning drug users into criminals.
'Violent cartels and drug dealers' would still be around, they'd just sell it for lower costs. And as revenge they'd probably spawn a crime spree like you've never seen.
I don't want to get into this whole stupid debate again, but an illicit producer would never be able to compete price-wise with a large industrial producer.
Try telling that to the millions of peoples either A) dead because of drug use or B) In rehabilitation from their crippling money-sucking addiction. Or C) Currently using, and probably dying.
Yeah, prohibition really saved them. Wait, never mind, it obviously isn't working if this is the case.
the only thing prohibition creates is a huge black market for criminals to cash in on.And millions of healthy people but hey, let's glance over that.
How does prohibition create healthy people? Anyone who wants to use drugs and has the money to do it can easily do so. I've heard a lot of talk about "lots" of people refraining from drug use simply because it's illegal, but so far, I've yet to come one of these people who actually exists.
As far as I can tell, all that making drugs illegal has done is say "Hey guys, we're going to let violent criminals decide how to produce and distribute these drugs, and decide the standards of purity and safety, and decide who they're going to sell the drugs to."
In my first year of university, when most of my friends lived in residence, it was actually easier to buy drugs than it was to buy alcohol. To get alcohol, someone with a legitimate ID (usually one or two people on a floor were already 19) had to make a run to the liquor store and pick up a whole bunch of shit for everyone. If I wanted drugs, I just went to the guy at the end of the hall who sold them.
I'm all for legalizing pot (although I quit smoking it a few years ago), but other drugs are just dangerously stupid.
Yes, other drugs are incredibly dangerous and there's a big problem with them. This is exactly the reason that Schedule I status has such horrible consequences. It's counterintuitive, but that doesn't mean the intuitive answer is automatically the right one.
Prohibition won't solve the drug problem. Family, community, health services and churches are the sort of things that will solve the drug problem. All that prohibition does is create a huge profit motive for violent criminals.
Nobody would ever accept this, remember, there is a large gang of rich christians that want to ruin everything that's good in the world.
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And what would become of the CIAs "war on drugs"?
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Two things come to mind right away when I think of why they're still not legal.
Scared old pasty white politicians, and special interest groups.
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At 10/7/09 07:08 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: The problem with taxing it heavily is that some drug cartels would still bring the cheap stuff and criminality would still exist.
For a 8% sales tax? Not really. I don't see a black market trade of pencils or stickers. It doesn't need to be taxed more than any other good.
The only way to ensure safe drug traffic is to provide it cheap and maybe even make it easily accessible. To be honest, still, I don't know how I would feel if I found out my wife was buying heroine in the supermarket for home use, though. But I may be prejudiced.
Then maybe you could marry someone different. It's a personal choice. If it makes someone happy, then its okay in my book (with regards to the health of others).
At 10/8/09 10:00 AM, drDAK wrote: Then maybe you could marry someone different. It's a personal choice. If it makes someone happy, then its okay in my book (with regards to the health of others).
Exactly. "... unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." And if highness is happiness than they should be able to pursue it as long as it's not harming other people.
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I'd rather not have a bunch of dumb bum fuck ass pot heads who dont have a job more than their already is.
You just want drugs legal cuz you just wanna get high!!! thats the only reason. so stfu all that medical and voodoo economics.
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At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, BillyTh3Kid wrote:
You just want drugs legal cuz you just wanna get high!!!
I really hope your joking, did you even read the topic?
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At 10/8/09 08:29 PM, fatape wrote:At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, BillyTh3Kid wrote:I really hope your joking, did you even read the topic?
You just want drugs legal cuz you just wanna get high!!!
Look at his signature. He's definitely kidding.
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