don't think commies are stalinists

[ezlnrebel]

The american populace is always anti-communist, yet they have no idea what it actually is. Stalin perverted pure marxism. Think about the definition of communism and then think about how a communist nation can be lead by an elite upper class? It's just retarded that people hate communism, but actually hate stalinism. I hate it too. I'm a commie and i hate what stalin did to the ideology.

[reddeadrevolver]

At 7/29/01 01:51 PM, ezlnrebel wrote: The american populace is always anti-communist, yet they have no idea what it actually is. Stalin perverted pure marxism. Think about the definition of communism and then think about how a communist nation can be lead by an elite upper class? It's just retarded that people hate communism, but actually hate stalinism. I hate it too. I'm a commie and i hate what stalin did to the ideology.

If i'm correct, Stalins ideology is referred to as Totaltinarianism(sp?). His version was a somewhat more realistic version of communism, but wasn't as good. Stalin was too power hungry, and too controlling to be a communist.

Most american citizens believe that Communism is bad, is because of our own government. The media and our government make communist countries out to be bad places, with evil people (ie China, Russia, ect). Most people believe what they hear, and refuse to do any research of their own concerning the subject. But you'll find most everyone on the political BBS knows what real communism is, or has a basic ideal of it.

[Slizor]

The american populace is always anti-communist, yet they have no idea what it actually is. Stalin perverted pure marxism. Think about the definition of communism and then think about how a communist nation can be lead by an elite upper class? It's just retarded that people hate communism, but actually hate stalinism. I hate it too. I'm a commie and i hate what stalin did to the ideology.

Stalin this and Stalin that. What about Lenin? He set up the government and it would be niave of us just to discount it as "war communism". All authority must be questioned.

[lnspectahDeck]

these are wel known points. stalin abused his power. plain and simple. ever read "Animal Farm"? it shows the rise and fall of communism through animals. it talks about an old pig u who had a dream. Humans were the Russian Goverment. this pig wanted to have the farm to the animals it self. all the animals put in an even load. there was this horse who represented the hard working man. it worked and worked. never asking questions. the pigs by now have pretty much taken over the farm. everyone is getting lower and lower shares. it seems to go to the pigs. the pigs begin to walk like humans(the space program) soon enough here comes humans. if u read it the ending fits in so well with today and it was written way before our time.

the author of this book is a genius. he pretty much predicted the whole electronic era. but his idea was huge tvs that u could interact with and it surrounded the room. people would stop reading books. they were banned. it was strange for people to be walking during anytime of the day. they should be watching their television.

[Slizor]

these are wel known points. stalin abused his power. plain and simple. ever read "Animal Farm"? it shows the rise and fall of communism through animals. it talks about an old pig u who had a dream. Humans were the Russian Goverment. this pig wanted to have the farm to the animals it self. all the animals put in an even load. there was this horse who represented the hard working man. it worked and worked. never asking questions. the pigs by now have pretty much taken over the farm. everyone is getting lower and lower shares. it seems to go to the pigs. the pigs begin to walk like humans(the space program) soon enough here comes humans. if u read it the ending fits in so well with today and it was written way before our time.

the author of this book is a genius. he pretty much predicted the whole electronic era. but his idea was huge tvs that u could interact with and it surrounded the room. people would stop reading books. they were banned. it was strange for people to be walking during anytime of the day. they should be watching their television.

Well that's one way to look at it. However if you read the prologue you will see that George Orwell(Is Eric Blair his real name?) was actually re-writing history so far. The whole standing up on two legs thing is just showing how they were turning the same as capitilists.

[shorbe]

All ideologies are impractical and easily perverted. All.

That having been said, all politics is about power. Human beings are all about power. Most people don't want to live in an idealistic world anyway. Believe it or not, they actually like totalitarianism and religion for one and the same reason- they don't want to be free to take responsibility.

As such, trying to "free" or "enlighten" people is a ridiculous concept. People really don't want it.

shorbe

[Slizor]

That having been said, all politics is about power. Human beings are all about power. Most people don't want to live in an idealistic world anyway. Believe it or not, they actually like totalitarianism and religion for one and the same reason- they don't want to be free to take responsibility.

As such, trying to "free" or "enlighten" people is a ridiculous concept. People really don't want it.

And why (Oh Master of Human Pschology) don't they?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/11/01 07:25 AM, Slizor wrote:

That having been said, all politics is about power. Human beings are all about power. Most people don't want to live in an idealistic world anyway. Believe it or not, they actually like totalitarianism and religion for one and the same reason- they don't want to be free to take responsibility.

As such, trying to "free" or "enlighten" people is a ridiculous concept. People really don't want it.

Too A point, I agree with Shorbe. Throuh out history those who are strongly religious many times have made large strives to keep from studying life objectivly. By compeltly disregarding sceince, many times the church would simply quell the ablity to become "enlightend" as you put it.

Also human nature I belive is to defend ones opinions rather than finding objective truth. Though I am ashamed to say, I belive many times on this board I think " What can I say to prove that he is wrong or prove I right" as opposed to " How can I find what's true".

Human Nature also calls for the betterment of ones self through personal gain, and many times this is acheived at expensive or others, that is why I agree that we as a society do not strive to be free. Censorship is an example of this. Generally the individual strives to have his/her own life style in a relative "free" way, at the expense of others.

And why (Oh Master of Human Pschology) don't they?

[Slizor]

Ok according to almost everyone I have met it is human nature to strive to be rich. Last time I checked rich people could do whatever they want. So people want to be rich, richness equates to freedom therefore people want to be free.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/17/01 08:26 AM, Slizor wrote: Ok according to almost everyone I have met it is human nature to strive to be rich. Last time I checked rich people could do whatever they want. So people want to be rich, richness equates to freedom therefore people want to be free.

well... That's close to what I said, and to a point it's true but not in such cynical or broad terms.