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At 10/5/09 06:47 PM, djmrules wrote: Come up with a new idea and I'll listen

Weed should be legalized so black people will stop rapping about it.

If you look at the straight foward facts; IE more income for the government, makes teriminal ill people better. However looking in the long term aspect, marijuana actually greatly increases your chances of dying from lung cancer. It also could cause more death, if you think drunk driving is bad think about high driving. It can cause brain cancer and other head and neck cancers, but no link has been established. That doesn't mean it doesn't. And like any other drugs it is the gateway drug, I have seen people who like to smoke marijuana and move on to acid and cocaine. This is entirely true because heavy pot smokers turn to wanting better highs a.k.a. worse drugs. So it looks better in the short run, but in the long run it is probably the worst move.

P.S. people who say marijuana isn't that bad is entirely incorrect and should look up the subject and educate themselves.

Goddam Hippies

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: It can cause brain cancer and other head and neck cancers, but no link has been established. That doesn't mean it doesn't.

That is actually exactly what it means

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: If you look at the straight foward facts; IE more income for the government, makes teriminal ill people better. However looking in the long term aspect, marijuana actually greatly increases your chances of dying from lung cancer. It also could cause more death, if you think drunk driving is bad think about high driving. It can cause brain cancer and other head and neck cancers, but no link has been established. That doesn't mean it doesn't. And like any other drugs it is the gateway drug, I have seen people who like to smoke marijuana and move on to acid and cocaine. This is entirely true because heavy pot smokers turn to wanting better highs a.k.a. worse drugs. So it looks better in the short run, but in the long run it is probably the worst move.

So... Why should I pay higher taxes to fulfill your paranoia? Where's your proof?
ACTUAL scientific evidence, pretty please.
You say that we seem uneducated... Well, educate us.
Half-assed vague statements won't do.

If it were legalized, it would be in the same class as alchohol. So police will start tracking down stoned drivers as well as drunk drivers adding paranoia to breaking laws while under the influence of marijuana. So it's not that everybody is going to be getting high all the time (maybe for celebration for a few days after legalization) but everything will eventually get in moderation. Being 21+ to buy, being safe, and etc. Also, yes, dealers will still be around, but it wouldn't be any more than the ammount of pot dealers you find in highschools and middleschools for those who are underage to purchase in stores. And all the more experienced dealers will move onto selling cocaine. In California (where I live), the majority of pot dealers sell purchased weed from medical clinics. As easy as it is to get a medical marijuana card here in CA (if you get the right refrence), it wouldn't be much of a different if it was legalized as a whole. The price of marijuana would drop drastically since there will be alot more being produced and alot easier to obtain. So drug dealers won't be making much profit. (Since the clinics here sell about $20 a gram, the dealers purchased oz at a time and make profits off that.) Aside from that, it will increase the emplyment rate since there will be jobs in the cultivation, and distribution of marijuana and tax marijuana per 1/8th-1oz.

Everything needs moderation. Think about it logically.

Get educated
btw, how would you pay higher taxes if the government would put a tax on the marijuana being sold?

At 10/5/09 06:40 PM, Canas wrote: Chances are weed would end up cheaper via government taxation than it is now (roughly 10 dollars per gram)

It's 5/g for swag, 10/g for KB and 20/g for dro.

Because people fucking suck at that shit, and large companies with scientists and researchers and mass-production machines will always make better quality products for cheaper.

I'd still buy from dealer-friends on occasion.

At 10/5/09 06:53 PM, Canas wrote:

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: It can cause brain cancer and other head and neck cancers, but no link has been established. That doesn't mean it doesn't.

That is actually exactly what it means

Like Canas said, that is indeed, according to our current knowledge, EXACTLY what it means.
Please educate yourself a bit on how the field of biostatistics works.

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: Goddam Hippies

Here we go again, another close minded ignorant fool assuming all potheads are hippies.

This thread is a barrel of laughs.

At 10/5/09 06:03 PM, Robotchk12 wrote: Yeah, you're going to spend $35 for a baggie

A full baggie? Sounds good to me.

At 10/5/09 07:01 PM, 13oobs wrote: Get educated
btw, how would you pay higher taxes if the government would put a tax on the marijuana being sold?

NO.
THIS is a scientific source.
Pubmed articles... If your brain can handle it.
Educate yourself properly now.
Don't come back before you find something SIGNIFICANT that shows that the substance described here has worse effects than legally available substances.

Have fun!

At 10/5/09 07:10 PM, Zanroth wrote:

At 10/5/09 07:01 PM, 13oobs wrote:

Don't come back before you find something SIGNIFICANT that shows that the substance described here has worse effects than legally available substances.

Have fun!

"Increases in marijuana withdrawal discomfort scores and alcohol craving scores from baseline to marijuana abstinence significantly and positively correlated with increases in alcohol use."
*Cough* Gateway *Cough*

I honestly wouldn't want weed legal. It's more fun of doing it as a "secret" thing or whatever. I love how it is now. Me and my friends get together, and roll up a dutch. It's a nice excuse to get together. And we all put in for our part. But if it's legal..it'd be available all the time. Not as fun =/

At 10/5/09 06:03 PM, Robotchk12 wrote:

Do you really want super-stoned people stumbling around town? Driving, even?
Make being high in public illegal, same with driving. If cops see someone driving 5mph down the road they stop him, and if he's high he goes to jail. Simple, really.

People will start getting arrested for breaking other laws while high. Yes, don't deny it.

People get arrested for breaking laws while drunk, if you're going to use that argument, why not outlaw alcohol?

Yeah, you're going to spend $35 for a baggie when your man Terrence has his stash for sale at half the store price. Those shady dealers aren't going to go away just because it's legal now, they still want their money.

Yes, but it will more than likely be sold in packs like cigarettes, cheaper than you could get on the streets. And even if they don't, the dealers have to be getting the weed from somewhere, why should they grow their own pot illegally without a license when they could go down to the Coastal and get some?

At 10/5/09 06:14 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: Oh my fucking god go back to 4chan you cancerous maggot.

Please save the unnecessary angst. Everyone has their take on the situation so you musn't always feel justified to spew your "facts" and "statistics" all over the place. The BBS doesn't need another cellardoor. For the love of christ, CHILLLLL....

Not only is it important for marijuana to be legalized for American citizens, but it should also be legalized to stop the incarceration of marijuana users.

Our country is taxed for the War on Drugs and our prison system; many people in jail are drug users.

It's unneccessary for people with drug problems (or even smoking marijuana) to be detained in prison; it over-populates the jails and doesn't neccessarily help their problems (except for maybe sobering them up).

We need to think of alternative ways to fight the War on Drugs, and the legalization of marijuana could save our country millions of dollars and prevent hundreds of people from being arrested for minimal charges.

And YES, it would stop the marijuana trade in the United States. Smuggling and distributing illegal substances is a very punishable offense, and no one would want to take the risk if the government distributes weed at a reasonable price. The government would have the oppurtunity to completely eliminate the threat of a prosperous marijuana trade outside of their regulation.

At 10/5/09 06:35 PM, Robotchk12 wrote: It's not like the people who already grow it are going to stop. It's their hobby. They have fun with it. Are you going to stop being a mod because some government-hired dork is becoming a mod?

Weakest argument ever.

Why buy marijuana from sketchy druglords armed with guns when you can buy organic weed from the hippy co-op for cheaper? Hippies who'd be paying local, state, & federal taxes. Hippies who would be as heavily armed and law-abiding as any other small business.

This country needs jobs. This would create jobs overnight, not to mention removing violence and gangs from the picture at a level the war on drugs has never been able to duplicate.

For no reason at all. It just should be. Why does there have to be a reason. It should never have been made illegal in the first place.

At 10/5/09 09:57 PM, TheShrike wrote: Weakest argument ever.

And yours is any better? I have never once bought cannabis from a "sketchy drug lord". I buy it from Average Joe, the pot dealer. He's nobody special. And he abides just as many laws as anybody else (ignoring those about weed). Honestly, I'd rather buy from a dealer than a commercialized corporation or store. It just feels more natural.

At 10/5/09 06:03 PM, Robotchk12 wrote: Do you really want super-stoned people stumbling around town? Driving, even?

They do that whether it's legal or not.

Those shady dealers aren't going to go away just because it's legal now, they still want their money.

Just like how even though booze is perfectly legal, there's still a vast underground criminal network of people selling badly-made alcohol for more than what it costs to buy legally. Oh, wait.

The fact is that for a dealer (or a group of dealers) to produce enough weed of a good quality in order to sell it, it takes a lot of their own time and money. There's lighting, heat, watering, pesticides... it becomes a full-time occupation. And if the plant doesn't produce a decent amount of THC, that's months of work down the drain.

If it was legal, it could be grown by professionals in a perfectly legal environment (creating jobs, as well) and because it would be mass-produced it would cost less to buy (even with taxes), and the link between smoker and dealer is broken.

Pot causes problems. Why does it need to be legal?

Because these problems it causes don't warrant its current legal status.

i agree. these things shoul never be legalized.

weed is fine, its just a PLANT!!!!! all you are is happy, hungry, sleepy, no big problem!!

At 10/5/09 06:07 PM, HighWayStar365 wrote: Because it makes you HAPPY!

This!

Hey shut the fuck up OP who does not know what he speaks about, I need weed because I'm an uncreative bastard who is unhappy and needs to smoke weed then go around telling people how awesome it is and let every one know I am a weed addict even if it means wearing shitty clothes talking to people who don't like me and express my love for bands like Queen, Pink Floyd and the Beatles

Seriously though, it's a natural drug and it makes people happy, as long as they don't be unproductive faggots and ruin society then it should be okay

In that case, we should make alcohol illegal too huh? I has worse effects, and has no medical purpose, unlike weed.

But then again, I dont believe in the government.... They dont deserve the tax money. You know what, just keep weed illegal.

At 10/5/09 06:03 PM, Robotchk12 wrote: - It would allow governments to make more money

Yes, through taxing. And if you try to say that dealers won't go away, well, you'd be correct, but that doesn't mean that the government wouldn't now start making a certain cut of the money that is currently only being made by dealers. Dealers will still exist, mainly to sell to the underage people, because if we legalize marijuana, like any other legal drug, it should be regulated and have an age limit. A lot of people don't like dealing with dealers (In my experience anyway, I know some people are pals with their dealers or whatever, but that never seems the case with people I know), and would much rather just go to a store where they could get it. Plus who says it would be as expensive as you say?

Let's not forget how much it would continue to stimulate the fast food economy, hah.

- Crime and incarceration would go down

This is simply a fact, technically speaking it would have to since we wouldn't be arresting people for petty crimes such as possession and whatnot, so already that's a true statement. Plus I've never even heard of someone committing any major crime while high. The only real problem I see is driving high, but hey, it already happens anyway, so it's not like people are going to think "Well, it's legal to use now, must be legal to drive with it too!" Once again, regulate it like alcohol.

- Everything will be easier

I've never even heard this argument used, and I disagree. It won't really make anything easier except for of course gaining marijuana and having it without getting arrested...

...All in all I think marijuana should be legalized, and I've never even used it (Nor do I ever intend to, even if it were legal).

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: move on to acid and cocaine.

Oh wow... did you just class acid and coke on the same level? It just shows what a dumbass you are. Acid is not bad in smaller quantities. Obviously, it's bad in large quantities, but then again, so is shoving several cheeseburgers down your throat, like most american fucks do. Anything is bad if you overdose it.

Goddam Hippies

And now we know you are retarded.

At 10/5/09 06:49 PM, 13oobs wrote: I have seen people who like to smoke marijuana and move on to acid and cocaine

Acid and cocaine are completely different from each other.

Another thing, if weed were legalised, it would break the link between the user and the dealer. It would drive the dealers much further underground, thus making it unlikely that someone who wants to do a harder drug will be able to get ahold of it. That is, of course, if weed is a gateway drug like people claim it is.

Most/all of these points can be made for alcohol.