I never really understood hunting..

[Aceilikeeggs]

. . for sport anyway.

I mean, I get it if you're eating them afterwards, but just for the hell of it? I remember once, when I was 12, I shot a regular, old pigeon off a line, right through his face, and felt a surge of like, "WOO!" for a second, then a boatload of remorse.

Any hunters want to help explain?

[Ansel]

This is America you goddamned communist

[OddlyPoetic]

At 10/3/09 01:07 AM, Ansel wrote: This is America you goddamned communist

I thought this was Kenya?

[Chimp-eat-me]

It's basically hide and seek for adults with guns

[Daddy-L-Jackson]

It's getting in touch with your ancient ancestors that had to hunt for their food... with overpowered rifles and scopes and camoflauge.

[Fancyman]

Because necrophilia is impossible if the animal is alive.

[iammojo]

agh, i agree. but atleast it's better than where in some asian countries, they kill the animal by torturing it. it's supposed to "taste better" but anyway, hm i guess hunting keeps the population of certain animals under control?

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 01:09 AM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: It's getting in touch with your ancient ancestors that had to hunt for their food... with overpowered rifles and scopes and camoflauge.

Well, I get that (to a degree), but some people are just pushing it.

For instance, this creep collects the skulls and wings of his birds for....fun?

And he doesn't eat 'em. Are most hunters like this, or is it mainly for the thrill?

[Sensationalism]

Yeah I think doing it for sport is pretty sadistic.
I have gone turkey hunting a few times, but I refused to shoot the turkeys. When I went hunting (hunter's safety was hella fun) it was mostly because I had been influenced from a young age that it was an acceptable and enjoyable activity. But after a while, I decided I didn't want to kill any other creatures.

I've talked with my dad about why he hunts. He says he enjoys the solitude and being immersed in nature. I don't see why killing creatures would be necessary to enjoy all that, but I figure it's just a tradition and something that was just done without having much thought put into it.
Also, he justifies the killing by saying a death by gunshot is better than starving or being hit by a car or something. So he does feel bad afterward, at least a bit.

Some people I figure don't give a fuck about animals, or don't think their feelings matter.
And still others get off on killing and since hunting animals is legal, that's what they do.

I think that's pretty much all the perspectives I have for that.

[ForkStorm]

We'rte just showing the animal kingdom who the dominant species is.

BITCH

[yurgenburgen]

It's sadistic but people enjoy the thrill of killing, so that explains it.

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 01:16 AM, Sensationalism wrote: Yeah I think doing it for sport is pretty sadistic.
I have gone turkey hunting a few times, but I refused to shoot the turkeys. When I went hunting (hunter's safety was hella fun) it was mostly because I had been influenced from a young age that it was an acceptable and enjoyable activity. But after a while, I decided I didn't want to kill any other creatures.

I've talked with my dad about why he hunts. He says he enjoys the solitude and being immersed in nature. I don't see why killing creatures would be necessary to enjoy all that, but I figure it's just a tradition and something that was just done without having much thought put into it.
Also, he justifies the killing by saying a death by gunshot is better than starving or being hit by a car or something. So he does feel bad afterward, at least a bit.

Some people I figure don't give a fuck about animals, or don't think their feelings matter.
And still others get off on killing and since hunting animals is legal, that's what they do.

I think that's pretty much all the perspectives I have for that.

Oh, wow. That's pretty deep. I always thought it was odd when fathers passed on hunting as a tradition from generation to generation. I can sorta see now that it's not really about the killing of an animal; it's about being one with something be it through death or nature.

Understanding +1 :D

(Oh, and I'm also a communist who hates America and apple pie arrgh.)

[TAUfanatic]

At 10/3/09 01:19 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: It's sadistic but people enjoy the thrill of killing, so that explains it.

this sums it up pretty well

I can understand hunting if your going to eat what you killed afterwards,but for sport? that just wrong

[FurryDemon]

Other than to stop overpopulation, yeah, what is the point if you aren't going to eat it.
I guess the other animals could like eat the dead body though...

[Sensationalism]

At 10/3/09 01:41 AM, Aceilikeeggs wrote: Oh, wow. That's pretty deep. I always thought it was odd when fathers passed on hunting as a tradition from generation to generation. I can sorta see now that it's not really about the killing of an animal; it's about being one with something be it through death or nature.

Understanding +1 :D

Heh, I've spent some time thinking about all of it. Glad I could help.
Also, when my dad hunts, he told me he donates the meat to a food pantry or whatever. So that's kind of another way he tries to make what he does be beneficial.

(Oh, and I'm also a communist who hates America and apple pie arrgh.)

Sweet, I can relate!

[Gagsy]

They do it because they like killing animals.

They get their trills from it.

I do know a hunter at work, he gets paid to kill rats/foxes/rabbits at peoples farms - Pest control. I think it's savage really, that they kill these animals so they don't eat the vegetation on 'their' land, because you know, animals totally understand about land ownership.

But I do like this hunter guy, I feel sorry for him, he accidently shot his dog when they were out hunting together, she moved too quick and he thought it was a fox, and he shot her then had to shoot her again to put her out of her misery :(

[AnonymousAlchemist]

You need to have some experience shooting stuff for the Zombie invasion.

[kamelona]

It gives the hunter a feel of power over nature when what they have done has permanently stopped something else and can be bragged about.

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 02:03 AM, Gagsy wrote: They do it because they like killing animals.

They get their trills from it.

I do know a hunter at work, he gets paid to kill rats/foxes/rabbits at peoples farms - Pest control. I think it's savage really, that they kill these animals so they don't eat the vegetation on 'their' land, because you know, animals totally understand about land ownership.

But I do like this hunter guy, I feel sorry for him, he accidently shot his dog when they were out hunting together, she moved too quick and he thought it was a fox, and he shot her then had to shoot her again to put her out of her misery :(

D:

Oh god, that sucks so bad. Having to shoot your little hunting buddy. </3

But, I can understand that kind of scenario. Pest control seemed like a task too inhumane to be sorry for, but too cruel for thrills. I don't know, everything just seems so off to me.

We have virtually 0 spots to hunt in Deep South Texas, so you'll have to forgive me if I try to wrap my mind around what a lot of ya'll are saying :3

[Prinzy2]

It's a challenge, shooting at can and soda cans is fun and whatnot, but unpredictable moving targets are more thrilling. It takes quite a bit of skill to spot something as small as a gopher who blends into the dirt and grass, then you have to hit something that's about a foot and a half by a couple inches from a ways away, because if you get too close then they'll run into a hole.

Ironically there is no such thing as hunting for food anymore. All the food our modern civilization needs can either be farmed or raised, there is no "need" to hunt anymore. I find it hilarious how people get morally outraged by sport hunters. Hell, I was hunting pests last summer and showed the BBS and a good half the posts were wishing I'd get shot.

[Sensationalism]

At 10/3/09 02:03 AM, Gagsy wrote: I do know a hunter at work, he gets paid to kill rats/foxes/rabbits at peoples farms - Pest control. I think it's savage really, that they kill these animals so they don't eat the vegetation on 'their' land, because you know, animals totally understand about land ownership.

Land, our Mother Earth, isn't even ours to own! I won't get into that though. But yeah it makes no sense to feel like you need to strike back against an animal that has invaded your space when the creature has no concept of property lines or anything like that. It'd be best if we were able to better cooperate with the world around us instead of trying to "tame" it.

But I do like this hunter guy, I feel sorry for him, he accidently shot his dog when they were out hunting together, she moved too quick and he thought it was a fox, and he shot her then had to shoot her again to put her out of her misery :(

So much for knowing your target and what's beyond!! Hopefully he has been more careful since that tragic accident!

At 10/3/09 02:12 AM, kamelona wrote: It gives the hunter a feel of power over nature when what they have done has permanently stopped something else and can be bragged about.

"We are forever 'conquering' nature, space, mountains, deserts, bacteria, and insects instead of learing to cooperate with them in a harmonious order."--Alan Watts

[theshadowwolf]

Well, in some areas, deer are overpopulated. I guess you can sport for that... and wild Boars too. I want to kill one of those. A huge fucking boar... God that would be awesome.

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 02:16 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: It's a challenge, shooting at can and soda cans is fun and whatnot, but unpredictable moving targets are more thrilling. It takes quite a bit of skill to spot something as small as a gopher who blends into the dirt and grass, then you have to hit something that's about a foot and a half by a couple inches from a ways away, because if you get too close then they'll run into a hole.

Ironically there is no such thing as hunting for food anymore. All the food our modern civilization needs can either be farmed or raised, there is no "need" to hunt anymore. I find it hilarious how people get morally outraged by sport hunters. Hell, I was hunting pests last summer and showed the BBS and a good half the posts were wishing I'd get shot.

Oh, were you the one who was out shooting gophers and seagulls with your buddies? lol

Well, here's the thing: I don't really have a problem with hunters in general; food or sport. I'm just mainly curious as to why, and to what degree it goes to.

So, sport also consists of skill and expertise. Got it :D

P.S: You say that, but I've known quite a few people who had to kill and eat because they didn't really have much else. (Granted, they're pretty poor, but eh, my defense stands ;) )

[Chiklay4]

At 10/3/09 01:01 AM, Aceilikeeggs wrote: Any hunters want to help explain?

I know guy name robert hansen who hunts big game , you should talk to him.

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 02:29 AM, Chiklay4 wrote:

At 10/3/09 01:01 AM, Aceilikeeggs wrote: Any hunters want to help explain?

I know guy name robert hansen who hunts big game , you should talk to him.

Oh yeah? Like what, deer, moose.....bears?

:P

[Gagsy]

At 10/3/09 02:19 AM, Sensationalism wrote:

Land, our Mother Earth, isn't even ours to own! I won't get into that though. But yeah it makes no sense to feel like you need to strike back against an animal that has invaded your space when the creature has no concept of property lines or anything like that. It'd be best if we were able to better cooperate with the world around us instead of trying to "tame" it.

Exactly. The fact is there are too many rabbits because hunters keep killing the foxes. Stop killing both, and the foxes will naturally feed on the rabbits instead of heading into town and eating from garbage bins and just build better coops for your chickens >:(

It's a cost thing as well to them I believe. Why spend lots of money on effect on higher fences, better coops, barbed wire when they can just kill the 'intruder' animals?

So much for knowing your target and what's beyond!! Hopefully he has been more careful since that tragic accident!

Yeah it hurt him really badly. As much as I hate what he does, he's a really nice guy who actually loves nature. He's one of those old guys you'd be happy to call your own grandad and he's always coming in and showing us pictures of his horses or birds he's taken and tells me stories about beautiful stags he's seen that he wouldn't dare shoot.

[Aceilikeeggs]

At 10/3/09 02:35 AM, Gagsy wrote: Exactly. The fact is there are too many rabbits because hunters keep killing the foxes. Stop killing both, and the foxes will naturally feed on the rabbits instead of heading into town and eating from garbage bins and just build better coops for your chickens >:(

It's a cost thing as well to them I believe. Why spend lots of money on effect on higher fences, better coops, barbed wire when they can just kill the 'intruder' animals?

Yeah it hurt him really badly. As much as I hate what he does, he's a really nice guy who actually loves nature. He's one of those old guys you'd be happy to call your own grandad and he's always coming in and showing us pictures of his horses or birds he's taken and tells me stories about beautiful stags he's seen that he wouldn't dare shoot.

So, if his love for nature is so powerful, why would he harm it and it's ways?

Does it let him.....bond(?)with nature, and his surroundings? Does he still exterminate/ do pest control?

I don't know, I guess I ask too many questions. But Gagsy, I have a quick Q. Did it bother you at first when you found out at first that he killed "pests" on the side?

[Leidolfr]

At 10/3/09 01:01 AM, Aceilikeeggs wrote:

:explain?

if you kill it, eat it, or dont kill it.

[ we're in agreeance ]

[Xarnor]

Shooting stuff = fun

[Gagsy]

At 10/3/09 02:44 AM, Aceilikeeggs wrote:

So, if his love for nature is so powerful, why would he harm it and it's ways?

I guess it's to do with age actually. In todays society if you grow up loving animals you learn not to harm them at all, he grew up loving animals but at the same time was taught how to kill and cook them and how animals were 'tools' for work.

Does it let him.....bond(?)with nature, and his surroundings? Does he still exterminate/ do pest control?

He's a hard person to understand I guess. One of the saddest times of his life was when he realised he couldn't ride horses anymore, due to age and health and then losing his favourite horse. Perhaps it's to do with how much he does bond with an animal. He could in an instant kill an animal that he was paid to kill, because it's overrunning someones farm - Rats, rabbits, foxes, etc but his own animals he wouldn't dream of hurting, he shows them the same amount of kindness I do for my animals.

I don't know, I guess I ask too many questions. But Gagsy, I have a quick Q. Did it bother you at first when you found out at first that he killed "pests" on the side?

At first yes, but now I know him, and like I said I know how much he does actually care for animals. At our old office there was this huge moth that came into the building it was like 3/4 inches long and about 3 inches high and me and him were the only ones who found it beautiful, to everyone else it was a disgusting big moth, but we loved it. So yeah he kills a lot of animals but he loves a lot of them at the same time.