How is this fact overlooked?

[Stomer]

That in WW2 America left 280,000 civilians dead, 280,000 casualties, and 200,000 homeless (not to mention all of the problems it caused in time due to radiation poisoning) in their atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

How can they be considered heroes of WW2 after committing such a horrendous war crime?

[Ptcfast]

either that or loosing +2 million Americans trying to invade japan... That isn't even counting the Japanese soldier and civilians that would have died...

[TheSporkLord]

At 10/1/09 08:45 PM, Stomer wrote: That in WW2 America left 280,000 civilians dead, 280,000 casualties, and 200,000 homeless (not to mention all of the problems it caused in time due to radiation poisoning) in their atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

How can they be considered heroes of WW2 after committing such a horrendous war crime?

imagine if we hadnt stopped hitler

[estrago1]

Americans are credited as heros because the atomic bombings ended World War 2, which happened to be one of our worst wars in the history of the world. Imagine how much longer the war could have gone on and how many more troops on both sides would have to die for the war to end.

[Cericon]

In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

[Stomer]

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

[knightsofthecircle]

2 million mass homocides > 600,000 civilian causualties. The only reason why we're heroes is because the Axis of Evil killed more than us and in less humane fashion.

[Cericon]

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

[Stomer]

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

[Ptcfast]

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

Why do you only respond to the one train of posts that doesn't have a logical argument debunking your statement?

[PlantFetish]

In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

Are you not giving your claims support?

[Cericon]

At 10/1/09 08:55 PM, Ptcfast wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words.
Annoying wannabe liberals like you are why I hate kids.

[LTmatt]

Fuck Japan.
Those slant-eyed ricemonkeys got what they deserved.

[Col-Sandchez]

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote: No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Don't even bring in that Voltaire, Rousseau, or whoever said it shit in here. The only reason the Allies are considered heroes is because the atomic bombs, although very deadly and damaging to pretty much everything, were a better option than invading Japan itself. losing millions of troops on both sides would be worse than losing a few hundred thousand of Japanese. War. War is hell.

[DaveGuy]

Now that you've just said it, America sounds pretty stupid now.

[AlphaCentauri]

Many more in Military from both sides, and endless resources and time on our part, since Russia had kind of bitched out and wasn't really gonna help us.

Not to mention, a ton of civilians would have killed themselves when America rolled up on the mainland shore, there videos of mothers jumping off cliffs with their babies because they had been told Americans were the utmost evil and they were better off killing themselves.

[EvilerBowser1001]

We told their military that if they didn't surrender, we would start bombing them again, with new weapons.

We dropped one nuke, and the Japanese military didn't surrender then.

It took two of the most horrific and destructive weapons in history to make them surrender.

If you're going to blame someone for ruining so many people's lives, blame the fanaticism of the Japanese Military of that time for refusing to surrender, and for teaching their people to fight and die, even if there's no way to win.

You also need to think of all the US and Japanese soldiers that would have died if a mainland invasion took place.

You're also a naive idiot if you think the winners in War don't commit atrocities, as well.

[tweekee]

Hmmm...Kill their crazy asses since they started this war with 2 nuclearbombs, or keep sending wave after wave of troops off to their death so we don't hurt them too badly?

Buttons are meant to be pushed so...

[GeneralAC]

At 10/1/09 08:58 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:55 PM, Ptcfast wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words.
Annoying wannabe liberals like you are why I hate kids.

If they hadn't stopped the war there would have been more casualties, so what they did wasn't a bad thing, it's not like they killed them for no reason.
/agree with Cericon

[Stomer]

At 10/1/09 08:58 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:55 PM, Ptcfast wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words.
Annoying wannabe liberals like you are why I hate kids.

You're a disgruntled 15year old teenager who is recycling 'hardcore' lines to look cold and distant, when really you are just an immature child.

"No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words."

You aren't a James Bond villain, grow up.

[chubbthehippo]

At 10/1/09 08:45 PM, Stomer wrote: How can they be considered heroes of WW2 after committing such a horrendous war crime?

INORITE?
PISSES ME OFF.
HEIL HITLAR!

[Ptcfast]

At 10/1/09 09:08 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:58 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:55 PM, Ptcfast wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote: Are you 12 years old?

No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words.
Annoying wannabe liberals like you are why I hate kids.

You're a disgruntled 15year old teenager who is recycling 'hardcore' lines to look cold and distant, when really you are just an immature child.

"No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words."

You aren't a James Bond villain, grow up.

How do you continue to ignore all valid points shooting down your argument while continuing on with this bullshit... Are you in denial or something?

[simon]

Don't be stupid, The Allies won WW2 not just America, and for good cause.

[WeHaveFreshCookies]

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

Bullshit. War is war.

[puddinN64]

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

Iraq may have had the moral high ground, but the point is, we still won. War is cruelty, there is no sense in playing the moral card in it.

[powerfuldude]

At 10/1/09 09:08 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:58 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:55 PM, Ptcfast wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:54 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:51 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

No, it's still the same.
The ends justify the means.
We won, they lost.

Are you 12 years old?

No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words.
Annoying wannabe liberals like you are why I hate kids.

You're a disgruntled 15year old teenager who is recycling 'hardcore' lines to look cold and distant, when really you are just an immature child.

"No, but with your petty morals, I'm beginning to think that you might be.
Right and wrong, good and evil, etc, they're just words."

You aren't a James Bond villain, grow up.

And you're just a 19 year old who supports whatever anyone tells him without any previous knowledge of said subject. I'm going to clear this up for you because apparently the only replies you read are the ones pointing out you idiocy. War is not good. If we never fought the axis would have invaded more and more until we couldn't stop them. I'll use something for you to understand, that Family Guy episode on last Sunday, the one where stewie and Brian travel to different dimensions, the one dimension they went to had us NOT drop the two nukes and Japan took us over, that would have happened.

[Canas]

Japanese people only count as a half a full person

[Jercurpac]

At 10/1/09 08:50 PM, Stomer wrote:

At 10/1/09 08:48 PM, Cericon wrote: In war, there isn't right or wrong.
Only victory.

Maybe in medieval times, but not in modern history.

I'd say about they're about even, but in medieval times you had the bonus of capping a victory it an oversized mutton leg a gigantic stein of mead and a raucous fortnight of rape and pillage. Things have certainly gone downhill.

[Danavers]

At 10/1/09 08:45 PM, Stomer wrote: That in WW2 America left 280,000 civilians dead, 280,000 casualties, and 200,000 homeless (not to mention all of the problems it caused in time due to radiation poisoning) in their atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

How can they be considered heroes of WW2 after committing such a horrendous war crime?

Those arrogant asses had it coming.

[6r0undZ3r0]

The winners write the history books.