Forum Topic: Help regarding mastering...

(301 views • 23 replies)

This topic is 1 page long.

<< < > >>
Sad

CosmoVibe

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 12:52 PM

CosmoVibe EVIL LEVEL 02

Sign-Up: 06/17/08

Posts: 33

Here's the situation. I'm planning on making an album. However, I understand that in order to make an album that sounds professional and is successful, I have to get my songs mastered first.

I have also heard that mastering is very hard to do, a gift that only a few have. Hence, I probably can't just learn it myself.

However, I'm also in a rut because I have no money. I doubt I can hire a studio to master an at least 8 track album with only $30. lmfao

So, what do I do now? Any ideas?


None

la-yinn

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 12:58 PM

la-yinn EVIL LEVEL 20

Sign-Up: 11/17/05

Posts: 841

I know a guy who knows a guy.

$10 to get your track mastered professionally. Done in about a day.

A new chill-out WIP:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/lis ten/280798
Check it out, leave a review. :D


None

CosmoVibe

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 01:05 PM

CosmoVibe EVIL LEVEL 02

Sign-Up: 06/17/08

Posts: 33

At 9/29/09 12:58 PM, la-yinn wrote: I know a guy who knows a guy.

$10 to get your track mastered professionally. Done in about a day.

I guess that's probably the best deal I can get.

Can you get me contact info?


None

Bjra

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 01:09 PM

Bjra LIGHT LEVEL 14

Sign-Up: 04/23/05

Posts: 1,621

I can master songs pretty legit, but dont take mt word for it, go listen too a song or two, if you get me high quality exports of the songs, I'll master um as best as I can for free, granted theres not too many of them


None

Gloudas

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 01:12 PM

Gloudas NEUTRAL LEVEL 13

Sign-Up: 08/18/06

Posts: 361

That's alot cheaper than I imagined it would be. Do you know what the standard cost is for a professionally mastered track?

What I Found [Dance Remix]
Go check it out! ^^
~A Product of Ottoman Rule~


None

CosmoVibe

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 01:24 PM

CosmoVibe EVIL LEVEL 02

Sign-Up: 06/17/08

Posts: 33

At 9/29/09 01:12 PM, Gloudas wrote: That's alot cheaper than I imagined it would be. Do you know what the standard cost is for a professionally mastered track?

I heard low end is around 25-50 per track, and 75-100 for high end.


Resigned

ZStriefel

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 02:27 PM

ZStriefel LIGHT LEVEL 10

Sign-Up: 05/30/09

Posts: 446

There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.

check out the Newgrounds Audio Chat!

BBS Signature

None

someguy362

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 02:36 PM

someguy362 NEUTRAL LEVEL 29

Sign-Up: 07/03/05

Posts: 2,318

Get a deece mic, get some pro tools, record some tracks and put time and effort into it. Its not hard to cut and paste and listen


None

CyprusX

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 02:42 PM

CyprusX LIGHT LEVEL 03

Sign-Up: 03/04/06

Posts: 1,701

I am pretty sure you can learn to master by yourself . Just patience practice and experience.
Heck I don't have a studio but I think I can master a decent track. Check some of my submissions.

" Forever trust in who we are , and nothing else matters. "
-= Acid Factory =-

BBS Signature

None

Bjra

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 03:16 PM

Bjra LIGHT LEVEL 14

Sign-Up: 04/23/05

Posts: 1,621

At 9/29/09 02:27 PM, ZStriefel wrote: There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.

I should dop it then, I'd get alot of bussiness! LOL!


None

sorohanro

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 03:31 PM

sorohanro LIGHT LEVEL 23

Sign-Up: 07/09/06

Posts: 2,222

At 9/29/09 01:09 PM, Bjra wrote: I can master songs pretty legit, but dont take mt word for it, go listen too a song or two, if you get me high quality exports of the songs, I'll master um as best as I can for free, granted theres not too many of them

That's the best price for now...
Also, that's why I love Newgrounds, almost everybody is ready to help a brother musician. Cheers for that.


None

la-yinn

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 03:39 PM

la-yinn EVIL LEVEL 20

Sign-Up: 11/17/05

Posts: 841

At 9/29/09 02:27 PM, ZStriefel wrote: There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.

He's starting out. He masters professionally, but he isn't professional. He's a fellow producer and it only takes him an hour or two to get the right sound.

A new chill-out WIP:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/lis ten/280798
Check it out, leave a review. :D


None

Cross666

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 03:50 PM

Cross666 DARK LEVEL 11

Sign-Up: 04/01/04

Posts: 628

At 9/29/09 02:27 PM, ZStriefel wrote: There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.

.... lol for some reason soundgoodizer keeps popping into my head and I am left pissing bricks.

BBS Signature

None

ZStriefel

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 04:04 PM

ZStriefel LIGHT LEVEL 10

Sign-Up: 05/30/09

Posts: 446

At 9/29/09 03:39 PM, la-yinn wrote:
At 9/29/09 02:27 PM, ZStriefel wrote: There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.
He's starting out. He masters professionally, but he isn't professional. He's a fellow producer and it only takes him an hour or two to get the right sound.

I'm not saying he isn't good (obviously how would I know) I'm sure he is. I'm just saying that for one thing theres a difference between mixing and mastering and Mastering isn't something you do all willy nilly. But I don't wanna start into an argument about said things. I just wanted to clear up that I wasn't insulting anyone.

check out the Newgrounds Audio Chat!

BBS Signature

None

la-yinn

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/29/09 04:20 PM

la-yinn EVIL LEVEL 20

Sign-Up: 11/17/05

Posts: 841

At 9/29/09 04:04 PM, ZStriefel wrote:
At 9/29/09 03:39 PM, la-yinn wrote:
At 9/29/09 02:27 PM, ZStriefel wrote: There is no such thing as a professional mastering engineer that will work for ten bucks a song.

lol.
He's starting out. He masters professionally, but he isn't professional. He's a fellow producer and it only takes him an hour or two to get the right sound.
I'm not saying he isn't good (obviously how would I know) I'm sure he is. I'm just saying that for one thing theres a difference between mixing and mastering and Mastering isn't something you do all willy nilly. But I don't wanna start into an argument about said things. I just wanted to clear up that I wasn't insulting anyone.

Oh no, I didn't take it that way, don't worry. :-)

But just saying, there's a lot of people with signed tracks that he mastered for them at that deal. ;)

A new chill-out WIP:
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/lis ten/280798
Check it out, leave a review. :D


None

InGenius

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 06:13 PM

InGenius EVIL LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 11/12/07

Posts: 292

I am in the same spot la-yinn's buddy is. I master tracks for the artist's attached to our studio, but I am by no means a professional Mastering Engineer complete with degree and experience in a professional studio. That said, Mastering for a local release is NOT as hard as it is made out to be. And if you need mastering for a national release, believe me, your label will get it done.

As for mastering, it is basically making the tracks on an album cohesive, making them sound as professional as possible, and making sure there are no artifacts, no noise, they are properly eq'd, etc. A Mastering Engineer may do all of these things or may only balance the EQ and volume of tracks across the CD so it sounds like a single product rather than 8 totally different tracks. Basically, anyone with knowledge of proper mixing, specifically EQ and Balance, and the right tools like Sonalksis plugs, Ozone, or in a pinch even lower quality plugs, can master a local/small print release.

That said, you get what you pay for. I master for 25$ a track though I also offer packages to artists dependent on source material quality, number of tracks, etc. If la-yinn knows a guy and you can pay the cost, I say do it. That is a really low price, but if he gives a good product you'll make up that cost easily on the backend when the CD sells better because it is pleasing to your ear.


None

Reaper93

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 06:34 PM

Reaper93 NEUTRAL LEVEL 06

Sign-Up: 09/04/07

Posts: 126

Something I've noticed about Mastering is it's somewhat of a voodoo art that nobody really posts information about anywhere and people only learn with a degree or from accidentally stumbling onto tricks. Really we need some mastering tutorials like we have a plethora of mixing and compositional tutorials we have around the internet.

That being said, best of luck getting affordable mastering done. A professional audio engineer mastering your track is probably going to cost quite a lot (maybe a hundred bucks an hour?), but I'm sure you can find, like some people in this thread, aspiring artists who happen to master on the side fairly competantly and offer to do it for free or cheap to get the practice.


None

SineRider

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 06:46 PM

SineRider LIGHT LEVEL 15

Sign-Up: 04/21/06

Posts: 1,839

At 9/29/09 02:36 PM, someguy362 wrote: Get a deece mic, get some pro tools, record some tracks and put time and effort into it. Its not hard to cut and paste and listen

With a 30$ budget? Good luck with that one


None

nathanallenpinard

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 06:52 PM

nathanallenpinard NEUTRAL LEVEL 01

Sign-Up: 04/15/09

Posts: 1,280

Good mastering requires ears, and decent equipment. That's all.

Awesome pro mastering requires ears, and expensive equipment, with a acoustically treated room.

Bottom line is....ears.


None

InGenius

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 07:04 PM

InGenius EVIL LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 11/12/07

Posts: 292

Toward the endeavor of a mastering tutorial, there are only a handful of people on NG with actual knowledge of Mastering, from either the university/learned aspect or the Experience aspect. And it's recognized as voodoo because so many engineers want it to remain this magical art. Imagine if there were no stage shows, only recorded music. Now, these musicians recording this great music only ever trained a select few individuals in the art of pick sweeps, running scales, finger picking, drumming, glissando, all of the alchemical music secrets which we take for granted in the world. In this world without stage shows and recorded evidence of how to pull off these feats, musicians sound on recordings more like magicians because most people can't learn complex musical techniques simply by ear alone.

This is the world that recording, mixing and mastering engineers live in. Professional studios are expensive to book time in, so most of us have never even stepped foot in one. If we have, none of these mysterious engineers has offered to teach us their secrets. And if they did, you'd be one of those select few cognoscenti who would, more often than not, perpetuate the mystery. It's rare enough to find a producer willing to give out fx, melody, arpeggio, or instrument choice secrets. Rarer still is finding an engineer willing to give out the magic of Mastering.

But, then there are people who do break the silence and teach that mastering is merely mixing all over again, though with far more precise tools usually. Just as mixing involves balancing instruments across tracks into a whole song, mastering involves balancing tracks across a cd into a whole product. The same techniques are employed to form a cohesive unit whole. The main difference is that all of the tracks of an album are not playing at the same time like all of the channels of a track are playing, so EQ is not so much used to keep tracks from conflicting in Mastering as it is used to make sure each track smoothly transitions into the next and the CD as a whole is well balanced. The same goes for volume balancing, which is made far easier if the individual tracks are from the same genre, the same producer, and have roughly the same mixdown methods, which most small label releases fit neatly into.

So, mastering in these cases is actually not as hard as doing so for a major label or mastering house, wherein you're dealing with mixes from different producers, mixing engineers, even different bands for compilation albums. That's when Mastering can turn into a major undertaking. But that is also where the triumvirate of Engineers becomes like the Editor of a movie, ie. another player lending their own character to the music and interpreting it into something grander than it came to them as.

Long story short, anyone asking for a tutorial of Mastering will get two results: an emphatic "no" or a wild goose chase/sage-like mantras from the people in the best position to give said tutorial, or information that will seem too simple to be true from those who may or may not truly know the answer. If you want the quick and dirty, get a good Parametric EQ, a good Multi-band compressor/limiter, learn to properly Mix first, then use ALOT of reference mixes from albums you think fit the genre(s) you're shooting for compiling and mastering. And for god's sake, if you don't have a good acoustical environment and good monitoring, don't torment yourself by trying to achieve the impossible.


None

nathanallenpinard

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 09:56 PM

nathanallenpinard NEUTRAL LEVEL 01

Sign-Up: 04/15/09

Posts: 1,280

Mastering nowadays just isn't as involved as it used to be.

Most studios will apply a bit of EQ and a limiter, and that's it. Usually anymore than that, and the mix wasn't right to begin with. Mastering also involves competing with the "loudness war"

The whole mastering process to record, and it's complications is a thing of the past.


None

Bjra

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 10:20 PM

Bjra LIGHT LEVEL 14

Sign-Up: 04/23/05

Posts: 1,621

yeah to master my songs, its really fidding with one multiband limiter on the master track, period.

That tool alone can give you almost any compression style you want period, or pretty damn clsoe to it. learning how to tweak it so it doesnt sound like crap is the tough part


None

boney-man

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 10:26 PM

boney-man DARK LEVEL 10

Sign-Up: 07/24/05

Posts: 558

i fail with multiband limiters and compressors. I've been told they can give me that desired "massiveness" of a dnb track, but I have yet to learn that...

#1286129
Sig by N-Antichrist

BBS Signature

None

InGenius

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 9/30/09 10:34 PM

InGenius EVIL LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 11/12/07

Posts: 292

At 9/30/09 10:26 PM, boney-man wrote: i fail with multiband limiters and compressors. I've been told they can give me that desired "massiveness" of a dnb track, but I have yet to learn that...

They really aren't that hard. A good way to get the sound you want is to learn your genre's averaged sound by solo'ing the bands on a Multi-limiter/compressor. With Sonalksis Multi-Limit you can solo each band with a touch of a button, so you could load a wav/mp3 of a good, average D'n'B track close to your own style, and your own tracks mixdown, slap both through their own Multi-Limit, then solo each band of the industry track and check it's spectrum and listen to how those frequencies are boosted or attenuated and apply the same kind of effect to your track by manipulating those bands. In the end, this is more of a learning process as a Multi-compressor or limiter can only change what is already mixed in on the channel and if it's your mix that is the problem rather than some freqs not being represented correctly, you'll mostly end up further muddying the whole thing.


All times are Eastern Standard Time (GMT -5) | Current Time: 06:26 AM

<< Back

This topic is 1 page long.

<< < > >>
You need a Grounds Gold Account to post on the NG BBS! If you don't have one, click here to sign up now! It's fast, free, and easy — and opens up tons of great NG features!