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I think you know exactly WHY gays are more accepted, you just don't agree with it. Gays are attracted to something that is not illegal or immoral, pedo's are attracted to something illegal and immoral. There's nothing illegal and immoral with being a pedo. None the less, parents are naturally afraid of pedophiles, and that's not going to change anytime soon.

I personally think indulgence in these fantasies, written and visual, should be more accepted, like it is in japan where comics depicting these acts are read on trains and buses, and the rape of underage girls just happens to be much lower than in the US. Plus, I don't believe the government should ever make thinking a criminal activity, no matter what the thought is.

Molesting young children =/= Marrying your soul mate.

Children have no sexual urges and therefore they don't know what they are saying 'yes' to.
They don't understand STIs and AIDS and all that stuff.
Homosexual adults know about sex already. They know what they are getting themselves into.

At 9/25/09 10:05 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: Consent. A young person's brain isn't fully developed and they can't understand fully what getting into that sort of relationship means. A fully grown gay man can decide whether or not really wants some hot stud to put a penis in his butt.

So someone who is mentally hadicapped or senial doesn't fit that standard? I'm pretty sure a child can judge as well as either one of those examples.

Here is my view on it:

People attracted to children = wrong.
Gay people = Okay

Then again if you look at history there are children as young as 10 getting married or being bethrothed to another, and that night watched as they consumated their marriage by family members. So somewhere along the lines the age of consent was changed and now children are more protected than they were back then. Why was it okay to marry and have sex with a child back then but now it is not? What changed?

Just something to think about.

Very interesting topic, and on that I've pondered on before.

In my mind, it doesn't matter what age you are, you can understand things just fine. Maybe it's because I reached maturity at a very young age, but I never understood why everybody 'babies' kids. Maybe if you actually thought for a second that kids aren't idiots, then we could actually teach them something useful before they reach pubescence.

And on Pedophilia; the reason it's hated in society is because people see it as immoral and wrong, and there's a strong 'RAPE' vibe attached to pedophilia.
I don't see the problem with being a pedophile; it's an urge you can't resist. You're born with it. I do see a problem with acting on it. In my eyes it's wrong. Especially because usually, it's rape.
Although, child (Around 10,11+) sex has been around for quite a while. It only stupid because somewhere down the line we grew an aversion to it. Referring back to my rant about kids not being stupid, if one is truly informed about it and knows everything... Call me a monster, but that's okay in my eyes.

tl:dr: Kids are smart! Pedophiles rape peoplez; pedophiles don't rape peoplez; child sex.

At 9/27/09 05:52 AM, tiskewl wrote: So someone who is mentally hadicapped or senial doesn't fit that standard? I'm pretty sure a child can judge as well as either one of those examples.

But can they judge the consequence of their action, like a pregnancy or whatnot? I doubt it.

Someone who is mentally handicapped has at least some idea of what's going on.

At 9/26/09 12:31 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen turn into a mod argument. If a heterosexual male walks into town, I don't think a husband would tell him to stay the fuck away from his wife, because the wife MARRIED him and it would be stupid to be called out like that. Same for homosexual males.

Children, however, are trusting, stupid, and weak. And uncommitted. Big difference.

Sig heil man. Nails all over the earth quiver at the sound of your words.

Children have No Idea what theyd get themselves into. Many wouldn't even consent. We aren't talking about two fourteen year olds, or a fifteen year old and a mature thriteen year old, we're talking one knows what hes doing, knows the other doesn't and goes ahead anyway. If you have paedophilic attractions, theres nothing wrong with you as long as you don't use a child for sex despite it's own feelings or immaturity more like a thing then a who. Those who simply have an attraction they don't act on are wholly admirable for their self control and moral standards. They are responsible adults who understand the consequences their happiness would come with. Child rapists are a whole different bunch of eggs.

THESE are the issues.

Much love.

At 9/26/09 01:48 PM, Masterzakk wrote: A lot of people such as many people of the united states underestimate children and their abilities to understand things. Sure they aren't a smart as everyone else but they can get things such as sex, death, drugs rather quickly if you give them good information. The problem with society is the underestimation of everything and having unrealisticly high goals whiliest putting down everything becasue they are simply older thus more "expirenced".

It's true, people underestimate kids and their ability to understand "mature" subjects, but the risks you embark on with legal paedophilia are HUGE. Will the other partner still love their lover when they grow up? By definition, no, or they could have waited. It becomes obsessive sex by nature. This is wrong, as the kids will have expected a conventional relationship, but then, as they grow up (in a healthy environment) would they still want the same partner who used them at a young age when they start to think "Shit, what if I've made a huge fucking mistake?"

All this is coming from a Kid who lost his V early. Entirely consenting and mature. I'm telling the absolute truth, biased though I am. And yes, it was to someone roughly the same age, but rushing to get the morning after pill at a young age as you see the look of doubt in each others eyes, in some ways not quite understanding what it was you were doing, is something I hope no-one here ever experiences.

I'm not quite sure myself, but I think it's because there's some scientific studies that have showed that pedophilia is more of a choice. While there hasn't been much advancement on finding the "cause" of homosexuality, it is generally agreed that it's something the person has no control over whereas I suppose they do have some control over pediphilia urges.

At 9/27/09 06:04 AM, RosealeeKronner wrote: Here is my view on it:

People attracted to children = wrong.

so people born being attracted to children are wrong?

myself I don't think it's worng to be attracted to children in and of itself, just the act of sex/intamacy with a child is wrong.

At 9/26/09 11:15 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Molesting young children =/= Marrying your soul mate.

Oh how I wish people would read the start of the thread. This isn't about morality or the sex had, it's about the reasoning used for tolerance of people with a different sexual attraction.

There is no such thing as an inborn attraction to CHILDREN. Sexual preference is largely due to genetics, due to abnormal chemical changes during development.

You are all confusing sexuality with a PHI LEA.

NO ONE is born loving farm animals, vegetables, stuffed animals, panties, etc etc. That is all environmental and not biological. However, the base desire for one gender or another, that is determined inside the womb.

That is why there is a large distinction between the two. One is biological while the other is not. Ill even admit myself I have a few phi leas or "fetishes". But none of them involve children. And to those who do, as long as you can keep it to yourself without harming children, then there is no issue.

At 9/27/09 02:40 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: Children have no sexual urges and therefore they don't know what they are saying 'yes' to.

While I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, this is simply not true. Children are surprisingly sexual. It's not like when you turn 18 or hit puberty or whatever it flips on the sex switch. Before they reach sexual maturity they are already curious about their genitals and those of the opposite sex.

HOWEVER, they are still not capable of giving informed consent, and while a teen might be informed, sex with under-18s is still illegal because of the tendency for those situations to be abused. So sex with kids is still wrong, but not for the reason you state.

At 9/27/09 02:40 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: Children have no sexual urges and therefore they don't know what they are saying 'yes' to.

Actually studies point to the contrary of what you are saying.

Childhood sexuality: normal sexual behavior and development
SpringerLink - Journal Article

Just because child sexuality exist doesn't mean it's morally right for children to be exposed to sex or engaging in it. The reason there is little research on the subject because over the last 50 years paedophilia and anything to do with sex and children has become a taboo subject.

At 9/27/09 11:04 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: HOWEVER, they are still not capable of giving informed consent, and while a teen might be informed, sex with under-18s is still illegal because of the tendency for those situations to be abused. So sex with kids is still wrong, but not for the reason you state.

What about 16-17 year olds? The average age of consent and marriage is 16 (with parental consent for marriage). The biological difference between 16-18 year olds is much less than the difference between 13-16, so 16 is an apt age.

At 9/28/09 03:16 PM, ThePretenders wrote:
What about 16-17 year olds? The average age of consent and marriage is 16 (with parental consent for marriage). The biological difference between 16-18 year olds is much less than the difference between 13-16, so 16 is an apt age.

And why can't mature 13-16 year olds consent? They just need to KNOW. Really fucking KNOW what they're doing. That might put them off. It did for me.

Its the same reason why really mature and responsible 17 year olds cannot drink alcohol. The age is set at 21 as sort of a "catch all" to try to get as many mature people to that age as possible. Im sure there are plenty of 15-20 year olds who can drink alcohol responsibly. But the untill the law is changed thats the way things are.

The same applies to sex. There are plenty of 14-17 year olds who could willingly and responsibly choose to have sex with someone older. But when it comes right down to it, if it's love and not lust involved, whats the harm in waiting?

Pedophilia and homosexuality are not related.

The age of consent laws exist because at some point you have to assign a numerical value as a guideline. You can't write a law that says "It's okay to fuck 15-year-olds, but only if they're mature for their age," it just would not work. At some point there does have to be a certainly level of arbitrariness to it. Just like speed limits. Yes, maybe some people can drive safely going 80, but some people can't. Same goes for blood-alcohol limits, voting rights, etc.

NO ONE is born loving farm animals, vegetables, stuffed animals, panties, etc etc. That is all environmental and not biological. However, the base desire for one gender or another, that is determined inside the womb.

If you could offer some sort of evidence or citation to your claims, that would augment your credibility. If I went around saying your hair color is influenced by your environment as your hair starts to grow or what sports team you choose to root for is genetic, people would ask for some kind of evidence or proof, at least a link if I don't put in in my thread reply. As such, I would expect some evidence that sexuality is genetic and non-gender-connected sexual attratractions are purely determined by influence.

AND even if that is 100% true, that doesn't prove that it's the fault of the pedophile or that they can choose to undo what their environment did to them, so there's still no more reason to act like having that attraction is wrong in itself.

At 9/28/09 06:21 PM, ohbombuh wrote: If you could offer some sort of evidence or citation to your claims, that would augment your credibility.

How about you take a basic Human Sexual Behavior class like I did? Or read a freaking textbook:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0789034 182/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539 851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201 &pf_rd_i=0721654509&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE R&pf_rd_r=006BFSMEYZJ44WJ90MYQ

Well gay and pedophilia are two different things. First of all it is it illegal in most countries to have relation with a member of the younger generation. With gay marriage like was originally posted the person know what he or her is getting into so is a fair, with pedophilia there always the label of being called a monster. I believe in equal right for all but when you have sex with a child well you the pot to burn.

they are immature assholes, but then you have the well mannered, very modest, and fairly responsible 16 year old who cant screw his senior in highschool gf because she is 18 and he isnt even though for all we know he could me more responsible and mature.

You realize there is a legal grey area when pertaining to the ages of 16-19 even 20. if both people are in that range.

At 9/27/09 10:52 PM, Dekagaru wrote:
NO ONE is born loving farm animals, vegetables, stuffed animals, panties, etc etc. That is all environmental and not biological.

everything you do is in one way or another affected by your biology, there may not be a beastiality gene , but there is a bilogical reason why someone would be into animals.

At 9/27/09 11:04 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: While I'm not disagreeing with your overall point, this is simply not true. Children are surprisingly sexual. It's not like when you turn 18 or hit puberty or whatever it flips on the sex switch. Before they reach sexual maturity they are already curious about their genitals and those of the opposite sex.

Kids aren't sexual in the same sense of adults.
I think kids understand certain concepts such as having a crush, having love, and knowing what's appealing (not in a sexual sense.)

And kids of course masterbate, but not so much for sexual gratification but because it just feels good for them. (As in, feeling the skin and whatnot.)

When I was a boy, I sorta knew that I was different. And many other gay people said the same thing. For me, I remember thinking He-Man had a better body than She-Ra.

Not sexual, but I already had a concept that the male body was more appealing than the female.

The sexuality didn't come in until I was 12...

This is interesting. I questioned my girlfriend regarding older men and she mentioned that from the age of 16-19 she did mess around with a man old enough to be her father. This bothered me, so I asked her why on earth who you let him take advantage of you? She grew offended and defended the older man in question saying, "I never felt pressured into doing anything nor threatened."

She proceeded to say that if she felt as though something was alarming, that she would have simply reported him to the authorities.

I can say she probably one of the most 21 year old's I know. It's like she is way before her years in experience and mentality. I don't know if I can put the blame on the older gentlemen, but I would say her experiences with that older guy really got rid of that petty teenage girl shit.

I heard some people say that homosexuality in humans should be accepted because it's been shown to occur in animals so that means its natural. I have yet to hear any cases of species in the animal kingdom that have "pediphilia" interests, or at least something that comes naturally.

which whould you rather have living next to you, someone who will rape your kids or somone who likes guys
ohhh thats a hard one........

At 9/29/09 04:47 PM, Zerosarefun wrote: which whould you rather have living next to you, someone who will rape your kids or somone who likes guys
ohhh thats a hard one........

Yeah I know. Being a guy myself and not having any kids, the choice is totally obvious...

And again my first post was ignored! It's not about the sex itself, it's about tolerating people who have different sexual attractions! Actions based on sexual attraction are up to the individual with every single kind of attraction. Not all pedophiles are child rapists, we just stereotype them as such.

A 25 year old gay man makes better choices than and 8 year old girl who likes the idea of candy in a van.