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Those commercials make stoners slur and look dumb because stoners slur and look dumb.
And what part of that commercial implies that he needs to marry a white woman and be Catholic?

At 9/21/09 12:32 AM, nal1200 wrote: But I don't think they're really out to affect childrens' minds. I think what they're really trying to convey is the idea that marijauna is inately BAD. Regardless of the outcome of what portraying it as so would be.

You're 100% right there. Of course they will take that angle.

And more so, the dependence that many people have for drugs is often not related to a drug-addictive personality, but a DEPENDENT personality. Generally people who don't smoke pot see it as an addiction because they do not differentiate dependence and addiction. You can be addicted and dependent to anything. If you sample one stoner and try to classify their habitual use as addiction or dependence, you'll probably also find that they have similar tendencies towards other things, but that really only depends on the person. It's just disheartening to know that ad campaigns like these only choose to look at the people who having personality flaws.

Overall, I say that I agree with you on everything you've said. I don't think weed is addictive or nearly as bad as the commercials would make it seem. But at the end of the day, it's an ad campaign to keep kids off of drugs, and they are going to take the stoner stereotype of a lazy white kid with long hair and spam that as much as they can. I hope none of this sounds like I'm trying to argue. As I said, I agree with you, but the ad campaign is going to do the things you've discussed, however unfair that might be.

At 9/21/09 12:44 AM, Robotchk12 wrote: Those commercials make stoners slur and look dumb because stoners slur and look dumb.
And what part of that commercial implies that he needs to marry a white woman and be Catholic?

stoner makes stuff up because stoner thinks hes funny stoner stoner stoner

At 9/21/09 12:44 AM, milinko959 wrote: I hope none of this sounds like I'm trying to argue. As I said, I agree with you, but the ad campaign is going to do the things you've discussed, however unfair that might be.

No, I agree completely. I just don't like the advert.

I'm not out to seek redemption for smoking pot, because i've only smoked it once. I didn't really even get high.

I just hate when laws are put into place that have strong, yet questionable ethical ties.

How many people have been killed by weed?

ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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At 9/21/09 12:47 AM, Piss wrote: stoner makes stuff up because stoner thinks hes funny stoner stoner stoner

Stoner replies with stoner type stoner because stoner thinks he's funny stoner?

At 9/21/09 12:40 AM, VerySadPanda wrote: Err, I think the point he's trying to make is that the commercial is trying to tell people to be an individual. To make decisions not based on what other people say, but rather what you decide is right.

The problem is, they're telling you what to do. Even if it's only subtle.

That goes back to the point that an anti drug commercial can't really approve of people doing drugs. And if it's not true, don't worry about it. And if people want to follow it's hidden message More pot for the OP.

For some people it can lead to worse things. For many, it probably doesn't.

But, as I said in my first post, regarding the message that smoking pot is bad, get over it. It's not that big of a deal. This obviously hit a nerve with the OP.

To argue that it isn't true, the only thing I can say is that everybody, good or bad, was exaggerated. It's a commercial about a guy choosing what he wants to do. As he does so, not listening to either side.

At 9/21/09 12:27 AM, Piss wrote: from my experiences with human beings, all drugs including alcohol and cigarettes are idiot magnets

John F. Kennedy, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Sigmund Freud, Edwin Hubble, Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein are all idiots, then.

Nah but seriously, smoking and drinking are known to lower IQs, so even if the person isn't an idiot when they take up the habit, there's a decent chance they will be after a good number of years going for it.

I still drink though.

At 9/21/09 12:54 AM, Robotchk12 wrote:

At 9/21/09 12:47 AM, Piss wrote: stoner makes stuff up because stoner thinks hes funny stoner stoner stoner

Stoner replies with stoner type stoner because stoner thinks he's funny stoner?

yes stoner stoner stoner stoner stallone stoner

At 9/21/09 12:38 AM, GayDorf wrote:

At 9/21/09 12:36 AM, Scrotaculous wrote: Way to totally just ignore what I said. No point in continuing the argument if you are gonna do that.

You just said "marijuana can't harm you," and I responded directly to that statement. How much more direct do you need me to be? Marijuana, even if it isn't as bad for you as other drugs legal or illegal, is still bad for you in some degree and is therefore stupid to pump into your body.

You ignored that he pointed out it doesn't have to be smoked by replying it's bad for you because smoking things is bad for you.

Some foods are bad for you, people still eat them. Being in cars is dangerous, people still do it. Nobody lives a completely safe life, we all make decisions and take risks and even then, none of us make it out alive in the end. So get off your high horse, pal.

Nice to see that people jump all over Piss when he only meant people that he's personally come into contact with, hence "MY experiences with people, and not every drug user ever. Awesome job, guys.

Get over it its not aimed at you. If you don't like it turn the TV off its that simple.

At 9/21/09 12:59 AM, Sensationalism wrote: You ignored that he pointed out it doesn't have to be smoked by replying it's bad for you because smoking things is bad for you. Some foods are bad for you, people still eat them. Being in cars is dangerous, people still do it. Nobody lives a completely safe life, we all make decisions and take risks and even then, none of us make it out alive in the end. So get off your high horse, pal.

The vaporized form of Marijuana according to this study still contains ten times more tar in the vapor than THC. The idea that it's not dangerous at all is preposterous. In terms of cost-benefit, there's no question that Marijuana is an unnecessary risk that could be easily avoided.

I don't eat foods or consume drinks with HFCS in them. I do this because I don't want cancer from the carbonyls, and I don't want to be an obesity statistic. There are people who swear by drinking regular Coke or Pepsi instead of Splenda or Ace-K versions, just like there are people who swear by and proselytize the consumption of marijuana. Just because people derive a temporary enjoyment out of it doesn't make it healthier for them to commit the act, nor does it make it right for them to downplay the risks of such behavior in front of the people to whom they proselytize, and the likelihood of permanent damage to the body as a result.

At 9/21/09 01:35 AM, GayDorf wrote: The vaporized form of Marijuana according to this study still contains ten times more tar in the vapor than THC. The idea that it's not dangerous at all is preposterous. In terms of cost-benefit, there's no question that Marijuana is an unnecessary risk that could be easily avoided.

YOU CAN EAT IT!!

I don't eat foods or consume drinks with HFCS in them. I do this because I don't want cancer from the carbonyls, and I don't want to be an obesity statistic.Just because people derive a temporary enjoyment out of it doesn't make it healthier for them to commit the act, nor does it make it right for them to downplay the risks of such behavior in front of the people to whom they proselytize, and the likelihood of permanent damage to the body as a result.

HFCS is in many things so I'm not entirely sure I believe you. It's not just soda you'll find it in.
There is no permanent damage from marijuana.

You sure about that?

Smoke weed.

Gaydorf is easily without a doubt the dumbest, stupidest, most asinine jackass I have ever seen.

At 9/21/09 01:35 AM, GayDorf wrote: The vaporized form of Marijuana according to [this study] still contains ten times more tar in the vapor than THC.

You're a fucking idiot. The page says QUITE CLEARLY that water pipes do not prevent the addition of tar and other chemicals. When you are vaporizing marijuana, you aren't burning it. You're heating the THC to the point of vaporization. As a result, you're inhaling essentially PURE THC. THC is the active ingredient, and I implore you to find a single study that has concluded that THC affects one's health in the slightest.

Seriously, you SHOULD be smoking weed just so you have something to blame for that oversight.

I don't eat foods or consume drinks with HFCS in them. I do this because I don't want cancer from the carbonyls, and I don't want to be an obesity statistic. There are people who swear by drinking regular Coke or Pepsi instead of Splenda or Ace-K versions, just like there are people who swear by and proselytize the consumption of marijuana. Just because people derive a temporary enjoyment out of it doesn't make it healthier for them to commit the act, nor does it make it right for them to downplay the risks of such behavior in front of the people to whom they proselytize, and the likelihood of permanent damage to the body as a result.

Just like there are people who swear by ANYTHING they've found helps them enjoy life, improve health, or whatever else. Furthermore, that loyalty will lead them to recommend that lifestyle to others. Even further, they will be vehemently opposed to anyone or anything that condemns their style of living.

Seriously. What would your reaction be if I told you that your fear of High Fructose Corn Syrup was ill-founded, and furthermore: that I consider your irrational avoidance of normal food far more unhealthy than HFCS in the first place? Wouldn't you resent that?

It is what it is, man. Fact is: people will either smoke weed or they won't. Some will have shitty lives and some won't. Some will lead healthy lives and some won't. Correlation does not equal causation.

Why must all threads concerning marijuana turn into a bitchfest about legality, effects, etc.? Some pompous douche always comes up spurting half-assed facts and then the hippy stoners jump out and defend weed with sometimes equally half-assed statistics.

As for the commercials, yeah, they suck, and always have. Remember the one about letting your sister drown because you were too high to watch her? Or the talking dog? They always try new tactics but never really come through in the end. I liked this one British(?) commercial I watched that showed some guy feeling all the potential side effects of weed, such as paranoia, talkativeness, depression, etc., all of which I've felt at one point while smoking weed. American ads need to take advice from ads like that, rather than be over the top.

At 9/21/09 02:20 AM, Rallard wrote: Why must all threads concerning marijuana turn into a bitchfest about legality, effects, etc.? Some pompous douche always comes up spurting half-assed facts and then the hippy stoners jump out and defend weed with sometimes equally half-assed statistics.

Nothing I said was made up at all. But I do agree that every thread becomes an argument.

At 9/21/09 02:23 AM, Scrotaculous wrote:

At 9/21/09 02:20 AM, Rallard wrote: Why must all threads concerning marijuana turn into a bitchfest about legality, effects, etc.? Some pompous douche always comes up spurting half-assed facts and then the hippy stoners jump out and defend weed with sometimes equally half-assed statistics.

Nothing I said was made up at all. But I do agree that every thread becomes an argument.

Oh, I didn't mean your posts in particular. To be honest I just sort of glanced through the thread before posting.

At 9/21/09 02:20 AM, Rallard wrote: Why must all threads concerning marijuana turn into a bitchfest about legality, effects, etc.?

It's called a discussion, thanks for joining.

They are annoying.

At 9/21/09 02:08 AM, Evark wrote: You're a fucking idiot. The page says QUITE CLEARLY that water pipes do not prevent the addition of tar and other chemicals. When you are vaporizing marijuana, you aren't burning it. You're heating the THC to the point of vaporization. As a result, you're inhaling essentially PURE THC. THC is the active ingredient, and I implore you to find a single study that has concluded that THC affects one's health in the slightest.

That study clearly indicates the following:

"Theoretically, an ideal vaporizer could minimize production of tars by holding the temperature above the point at which THC vaporizes, but below that where carcinogenic hydrocarbons are produced by combustion [Note] In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, "

Ten times more tars than cannabinoids. That's not healthy at all.

Seriously, you SHOULD be smoking weed just so you have something to blame for that oversight.

ad hominem.

Just like there are people who swear by ANYTHING they've found helps them enjoy life, improve health, or whatever else. Furthermore, that loyalty will lead them to recommend that lifestyle to others. Even further, they will be vehemently opposed to anyone or anything that condemns their style of living. Seriously. What would your reaction be if I told you that your fear of High Fructose Corn Syrup was ill-founded, and furthermore: that I consider your irrational avoidance of normal food far more unhealthy than HFCS in the first place? Wouldn't you resent that? It is what it is, man. Fact is: people will either smoke weed or they won't. Some will have shitty lives and some won't. Some will lead healthy lives and some won't. Correlation does not equal causation.

There are literally hundreds of studies indicating that HFCS is the direct cause of most obesity in America today, because of its free proliferation as a result of the strong lobby of the corn industry, and because of its relative cheapness compared to regular cane sugar, and some artificial sweetners. There's literally nothing you can do to prove that HFCS is a good thing because the weight evidence against that sentiment is overwhelming.

I just find it irresponsible for people to proliferate the use of cannabis and any other drug in the face of what we know to be their inherent dangers.

Gaydorf you might as well give up because you are retarded and outnumbered by smart people who actually know what they are talking about. Also for the last damn time you can fucking EAT it!

Either way, I don't do any drugs and I'm fine without them, so this ad doesn't effect me at all.
Gotta admit though, they are pretty fucking desperate there.

At 9/21/09 03:17 AM, GayDorf wrote: That study clearly indicates the following:
"Theoretically, an ideal vaporizer could minimize production of tars by holding the temperature above the point at which THC vaporizes, but below that where carcinogenic hydrocarbons are produced by combustion [Note] In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, "

It then goes on to say in the paragraph after that a vaporizer on the market in the 70's claimed to have MUCH better results than the conclusions of the study.

FURTHER:
The notion that high-potency marijuana is less harmful directly contradicts official government propaganda, which maintains that marijuana has become more dangerous since the '60s due to increased potency. This claim appears to rest less on scientific evidence than on the desire to frighten the public. A careful analysis of government data by Dr. John Morgan has shown that the supposed increase in potency has been greatly exaggerated [American Marijuana Potency: Data Versus Conventional Wisdom, NORML Reports (1994)]. In any case, however, there is no good reason to presume that higher potency marijuana is more harmful, given the potential respiratory benefits of reduced smoke consumption. The hazards of excessive potency are purported to be an increased risk of acute overdose and greater susceptibility to dependency. However, both problems can be avoided if users adjust their dosage to potency. For most users, such hazards may well be outweighed by the benefits of reduced smoke consumption.

Anyway, yea I was out of line having not read any further than the statement early saying "vaporizers do show a significant reduction in tar, but waterpipes don't."

Ten times more tars than cannabinoids. That's not healthy at all.

You ignore the documented correlation between higher concentration of THC and lower tar intake. The study (and the paragraph I quoted above) suggests that there may be as much as a five-fold reduction of tar with higher potency marijuana, hash, THC oil, what-have-you.

Anyway, tars are not necessarily more damaging to the lungs than many other organic or inorganic dusts.

ad hominem.

Absolutely.

There are literally hundreds of studies indicating that HFCS is the direct cause of most obesity in America today, because of its free proliferation as a result of the strong lobby of the corn industry, and because of its relative cheapness compared to regular cane sugar, and some artificial sweetners. There's literally nothing you can do to prove that HFCS is a good thing because the weight evidence against that sentiment is overwhelming.

I wouldn't bother because I didn't agree with the statement, it was simply to prove a point. Which you help prove quite thoroughly by behaving exactly as I suggest: defending your idea that HFCS are bad.

I just find it irresponsible for people to proliferate the use of cannabis and any other drug in the face of what we know to be their inherent dangers.

Which means what, exactly? You find it irresponsible for people to make decisions about their own lives? Or you find it irresponsible for people to view mountains of evidence on both sides, have a personal experience, and make up their own mind?

People are irresponsible. You consume things every day that you simply can't know whether they are as beneficial as you believe or if tomorrow you've got cancer from it. You ever been near an automobile? You're inhaling tars. Ever spent time in a big city? Ever had an open fire? Ever drank coffee? There are many dangers in the world for people to irrationally fear (despite the fact that many get along quite happily coexisting with those dangers), all proponents of marijuana want to show is that it isn't as dangerous as the misinformed make it out to be.

ok, i'm officially done with this thread because it's just goin in circles, but i do wish to share something before i leave:

The OP hasn't really indulged on the idea of marijuana being good for you; he is merely stating how he hates the projected stereotypes these commericals tend to focus on. When i use to smoke point, i would get extremely annoyed seeing these commercials [unless i was stoned; then they were funny]; they always made stoners out to be complete losers or idiots, and it's not right. Many of the smartest kids in my graduated class enjoy smoking marijuana because it is simply a way to enjoy life; there's nothing wrong with that.

These commercials have been progressively getting better on basing their messages on something authentic rather than absurdities; the central character in the mentioned commercial made his own choice, and that's a respectable concept to portray. However, the means by which these messages are perceived are still insulting and biased because they make generalizations rather than focusing on the issues. What is really irritating is the fact that abovetheinfluence has almost entirely based their whole campaign on marijuana use solely because it's the most popularized recreational drug.

Many people i know have suffered through various addictions to cocaine, 'pharmies', smarts, and i guess for the sake of the arguement, alcohol. There are so many other problems abovetheinfluence could focus on, but they rather propagate stupid commercials that annoy drug users and inspire non-drug users to try marijuana for the sake of rebellion. I personally have not met one person who based their reasoning for drug prevention solely on these god awful advertisements.

People do harmful things to themselves; some cut; some drink; some drive wrecklessly; some smoke; it's just how our society is. We don't give a fuck about perfect health; some people do, but IMO; risks are vital to the process of self-discovery and for making responsible decisions for yourself and others. We already lived in a world damned with pollution and war, and corruption and poverty; sometimes smoking and drinking makes the world seem a little less of a shitty place.

So anti-drug users can use statistics to back up their meaningless findings, but in the end it really doesn't mean shit. As humans, we have been priviledged to make decisions for ourselves, and if you don't like that; fuck off. Same goes for drug-users; if you can't respect the thoughts and opinions of the people who don't share your lifestyle; let it be. That's what that entire commercial is about; making decisions for yourself.

If you read my obnoxious essay; thank you for reading.

also, marijuana is not bad for you; it's no worse for you than cigarettes or alcohol, and is similar to perhaps a caffeine addictions[probably not even]. i know i don't do a lot of 'neccessary research' but looking for the effects of marijuana use is absurd. sure, it may dull you, but it may enlighten you [non-drug users have no idea how much you can learn about the world through marijuana and other psychedelics]. IMO, the positives can outweigh the consequences, and if they don't; don't smoke.

I mean FFS, some people are already dull, and life's too short. who gives a fuck; lets PARTY!

At 9/21/09 04:14 AM, Head-Full-Of-Acid wrote: If you read my obnoxious essay; thank you for reading.

I did. That post was full of win.

Congratulations. Your prize: the internets.