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At 9/19/09 07:58 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 9/19/09 04:00 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/19/09 02:10 PM, Korriken wrote: You say its not a valid argument, many would beg to differ. You don't even name countries where the 'free' health system is working so wonderfully.

What about mine? (Norway) Or the neighboring country? (Sweden)

I think it works better because there's no immigrants in Sweden.

-.-

And since Obama has already specified Illegal Immigrants will not be allowed free healthcare then it won't be a problem there either. Also IIRC, Obama was going to take money out of parts of the healthcare system which are inefficent money from it to pay for the new system.

I don't understand whhy people wouldn't want to spend there money on other people's healthcare when there fine with paying for homeless shelters, highway's bridges and my favorite military, you'd rather pay for someone to die then for someone to live?

Actually, the new Healthcare system has the potential to help the economy, with more appliccants coming in for health issues more docters would be admitted, and with endorseement from colleges then bam job increase.

At 9/27/09 01:29 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 9/19/09 07:58 PM, Sajberhippien wrote:

At 9/19/09 04:00 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/19/09 02:10 PM, Korriken wrote: You say its not a valid argument, many would beg to differ. You don't even name countries where the 'free' health system is working so wonderfully.

What about mine? (Norway) Or the neighboring country? (Sweden)

I think it works better because there's no immigrants in Sweden.

-.-

And since Obama has already specified Illegal Immigrants will not be allowed free healthcare then it won't be a problem there either. Also IIRC, Obama was going to take money out of parts of the healthcare system which are inefficent money from it to pay for the new system.

Politicians specify a lot of things. How, pray tell, do they intend to exclude illegal immigrants when none of the bills have clauses for checking for citizenship or for enforcement of the rule; and any amendments that would do so are immediately shot down by Democrats in committee?

I don't understand whhy people wouldn't want to spend there money on other people's healthcare when there fine with paying for homeless shelters, highway's bridges and my favorite military, you'd rather pay for someone to die then for someone to live?

You can run a first-world country without universal healthcare (after all, we're doing it right now). The same can't be said for highways, bridges, or the military - at least, not for very long.

Actually, the new Healthcare system has the potential to help the economy, with more appliccants coming in for health issues more docters would be admitted, and with endorseement from colleges then bam job increase.

I can't tell what you're trying to say here.

At 9/27/09 01:29 AM, Warforger wrote: Actually, the new Healthcare system has the potential to help the economy, with more appliccants coming in for health issues more docters would be admitted, and with endorseement from colleges then bam job increase.

Unless you have Stage 18 cancer that you let go for 4 years, you can afford a doctor's visit. I'm sorry, this is a foolish talking point. I'm poor by our standards and I can afford a doctors visit whenever I need one.

And people who CAN'T afford health care flood emergency rooms all the time.

This is bogus.

At 9/27/09 01:29 AM, Warforger wrote: And since Obama has already specified Illegal Immigrants will not be allowed free healthcare then it won't be a problem there either.

Obama says a lot of things.

On July 30 of this year, a House committee voted against a Republican amendment offered by Rep. Nathan Deal that would have required health care providers to use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program to prevent illegal aliens from receiving government health care services. All Republicans and five Democrats voted for it, but 29 Democrats voted against it, killing the amendment.

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You know Hitler had good speeches too.
That's why we should have elected Steven Colbert.

In other news.... American soldiers are dying, General McChrystal asks for more troops. Hillary Clintons scoffs at him, and Obama plans to prance off to Denmark to try and get the olympic games to come to Chicago.

I wonder if Obama is aware that Hillary is looking to hurl him under the bus to get herself into the presidency come 2012? Poor Obama doesn't realize that those he think are his friends aren't willing to turn on him like a pack of wolves on a sick sheep when a moment of weakness occurs. pity really.

At 9/29/09 06:41 AM, Korriken wrote: I wonder if Obama is aware that Hillary is looking to hurl him under the bus to get herself into the presidency come 2012? Poor Obama doesn't realize that those he think are his friends aren't willing to turn on him like a pack of wolves on a sick sheep when a moment of weakness occurs. pity really.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You think Obama picked Hillary because he LIKES her? Or trusts her? Or anything like that? Are you high? Obama did that because that's what the party wanted.

Hillary started the stealth Muslim crap, do you really think Obama wanted somebody who played that dirty on him on his team? I don't. I think what happened is the Democrats said "look, take her because she's a Clinton, because we need her to seem like she's part of the team so she doesn't try to schism the party" and Obama was pragmatic enough, and a team player enough to say "ok, I'll give her a prominent cabinet position and hopefully that'll make all sides happy".

But Barack Obama thinking Hillary is his friend? Really? Surely you jest sir.

At 9/29/09 02:42 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You think Obama picked Hillary because he LIKES her? Or trusts her? Or anything like that? Are you high? Obama did that because that's what the party wanted.

I was kinda hoping that he did it to keep her too close to himself so that she couldn't stab em in the back in 2011, just in time to campaign for a year to take over his presidency without having the backlash rip into her as well.

Hillary started the stealth Muslim crap,

Didn't know that one. i figured that started over a video of obama mentioning his "muslim faith".

But Barack Obama thinking Hillary is his friend? Really? Surely you jest sir.

to a point i was, actually.

lol, his skin is all weird and stuff.

At 9/29/09 07:53 PM, Korriken wrote: I was kinda hoping that he did it to keep her too close to himself so that she couldn't stab em in the back in 2011, just in time to campaign for a year to take over his presidency without having the backlash rip into her as well.

Can't see the Dems allowing that to happen. Hillary is smart enough to sit tight, do the job, and when Obama is no longer in the running step in. I think there was probably an aspect of "keep your enemies closer", but this more smacked to me of a situation where the party had 2 very popular candidates and didn't want to risk schism by having it look like they were at odds. A party unity move more then anything

Didn't know that one. i figured that started over a video of obama mentioning his "muslim faith".

That was a bit later. I recall it starting when a picture of Obama dressed in ceremonial garb which looked a heck of a lot like fundamentalist muslim clothing was leaked to the media and spun by people within Hillary's camp as "Barack Obama is a stealth muslim". Hillary very quickly tried to distance herself from it and say "wasn't me, those people aren't working here" but the evidence pointed to the contrary. That's what got the conversation started.

to a point i was, actually.

Oh good. Because he'd have to be catastrophically foolish to actually believe that woman doesn't envy him his job and want it for herself.

At 9/30/09 12:09 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Can't see the Dems allowing that to happen. Hillary is smart enough to sit tight, do the job, and when Obama is no longer in the running step in. I think there was probably an aspect of "keep your enemies closer", but this more smacked to me of a situation where the party had 2 very popular candidates and didn't want to risk schism by having it look like they were at odds. A party unity move more then anything

If Obama proves to be too incompetent, which I'd say he's on the right road to that, considering he's doing everything except be our president, the democratic party will tell em to step aside, but we all know he won't. then the clash begins.

Oh good. Because he'd have to be catastrophically foolish to actually believe that woman doesn't envy him his job and want it for herself.

He is a fool. Look at what he's been doing since he got in. going on tv, running around doing town hall teleprompter readings, giving his opinion on everything, and taking vacations. How many days has he spent actually sitting in the oval office, Thursday he plans to run off to Copenhagen, Denmark to help Chicago's bid to have the 2016 olympics there. Not a very presidential thing to do. Seems like every day on the news he's running around doing SOMETHING that really isn't his job.