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For me, I stand between the borders of religion and Atheism. I'm quite undecided on which side to join, but open to both sides, and upon being neutral, I have noticed that Atheists are just as bad Christians. This is not a statement to all Atheists and Christians, just a speculation from my analysis.

Christians love to attack those who do not share their views. They always seem to find that they are the right ones and that everyone else is wrong. Truly an ignorant way of thinking, but a majority of Christians tend to have this viewpoint. I was raised as a Christian, so at one point in my life I shared this view.

Now, Atheists these days seem to be the same way. They like to agitate Christians by constantly bashing the beliefs in Christianity, and come out saying that they are only questioning the views. But clearly, questioning someone's beliefs, whether fact of fiction is a bother to for the person being asked. And I find that most Atheists who question Christians, only do so to try and stump them. Trying to force the Christian to give up their views by exposing the flaws and stupidity of the belief. Of course, finding the belief stupid and flawed is an opinion.

Christianity is by no means explainable through evidence and hard facts. It is a belief system, that can't really be proven false or true for now. Whether someone chooses to believe, it's highly up to them. So who are Atheists to bash down someone's belief? The same goes for Christians, who are they to bash another religion?

In conclusion, Atheism and Religion are both part of the Human culture. In a sociobiology point of view, they are both Social behaviors that have importance in our society. There is no reason to condemn one another, as it only leads to the aggravation of the other. By no means is one better than the other. For Atheism and Christianity are both things you choose to believe in.

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Both beliefs have their wacko followers and logical, normal followers. The whole of each group can't be judged by one subgroup.


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At 9/18/09 12:26 AM, 0gg-the-Gnome wrote: Shut the fuck up.
At 9/18/09 12:26 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: Both beliefs have their wacko followers and logical, normal followers. The whole of each group can't be judged by one subgroup.

Perhaps if you two actually read what I posted, your comments would be different.

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At 9/18/09 12:26 AM, 0gg-the-Gnome wrote: Shut the fuck up.

lol thats a reasonable response


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Yea but I don't see evolutionists hosting conferences just to prove themselves they're right and christianity is wrong.

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At 9/18/09 12:29 AM, 0gg-the-Gnome wrote:
At 9/18/09 12:28 AM, GATOONA wrote: Perhaps if you two actually read what I posted, your comments would be different.
La la la, no one cares, keep it in your head, stopping future shit, la la la, shit no one cares about.

Ahhh, ignorance. Such an amazing behavior to laugh at.

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At 9/18/09 12:25 AM, GATOONA wrote: Whether someone chooses to believe, it's highly up to them.

It is nearly a truism to say: lack of proof does not justify a belief. But at this point, when the above is held as a valid stance, it must be said. Lack of proof only provides room for exploitation.

The hypocrisy is that, once a core belief is wedged into a place where it is functionally moot (i.e. determined to be non-disprovable), it is then used to extrapolate many functional things.

Everything a person decides is up to them. What the above statement posits is that such is justified by a lack of evidence - that personal choice is the supplement. It is not. It is ancillary.

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There are good and bad people within every group, and the negative ones always seem to stand out more than the quiet ones. I actually don't think Atheists are 'just as bad' as the religious when it comes to pushing beliefs around, because the religious world has an extreme hypersensitivity towards debate and criticism. What counts as 'bashing' from the point of view of a Theist is usually nothing more than harmless questioning or debate.

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Every group has douche-bags.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianty, Atheism, whatever it is there are people who are going to argue over it, this doesn't make the religion or lack of one bad.

Like you said, everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe and for plenty of people their religion can provide stability and something that lets them to connect with their family. On the other side Atheism has more freedom to it where you don't have to worry about an all seeing power watching your every move or being worried of coming back to life as a slug.

The world would be a much better place if people kept an open mind.

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT FIT IN THERE?!
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Being in pretty much the same position, I agree wholeheartedly. You're a lot better at saying it than I am, though.

I would like to add that since the extremists tend to shoot their mouths off a lot more, groups get characterized by them, adding more to the prejudice of the other extremists. The cycle feeds itself and turns into a shouting match that leaves everyone feeling disgusted at everyone else.


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At 9/18/09 12:34 AM, PsychoticMind wrote:
The world would be a much better place if people kept an open mind.

That should have been my ending sentence.
You are totally right.

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I agree that some atheists just get a kick out of heckling and stumping religious folk, but religion did the same thing for a much longer period of time to atheists. A scientist couldn't explain why the rock tossed in the air fell back to earth, so a religious person would heckle the scientist and his belief that everything could be explained rationally.

Religion is kind of moot now, the only real thing you can take from it is a moral compass, everything else can and eventually will be explained, whether it was intellect design or not.

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At 9/18/09 12:31 AM, GATOONA wrote: Ahhh, ignorance. Such an amazing behavior to laugh at.

i give you one new post to prove that you are not ignorant.

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So... what characteristics might we attribute to a person with an open mind... so as to nail down what exactly open mindedness is?

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I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic.


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At 9/18/09 12:39 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: So... what characteristics might we attribute to a person with an open mind... so as to nail down what exactly open mindedness is?

Accepting, Respectful, and Curious. That's my opinion of course.


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At 9/18/09 12:41 AM, NeverAgain92 wrote::

Accepting, Respectful, and Curious. That's my opinion of course.

Can one be accepting, respectful to everything?

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At 9/18/09 12:36 AM, GATOONA wrote:
At 9/18/09 12:34 AM, PsychoticMind wrote:
The world would be a much better place if people kept an open mind.
That should have been my ending sentence.
You are totally right.

The problem is, that what one person considers to be open-minded, isn't what another person would consider to be open minded. There are people out there who would think that refusing to go to church is being narrow-minded. Some people think that choosing a particular religion and following it is being close-minded. Am I close-minded for not wanting to talk to Jehovah's Witnesses if they come to my door?

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At 9/18/09 12:42 AM, 0gg-the-Gnome wrote: At 9/18/09 12:41 AM, NeverAgain92 wrote::
Accepting, Respectful, and Curious. That's my opinion of course.
Can one be accepting, respectful to everything?

When it shows no harm towards you or another person, I think so.


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At 9/18/09 12:25 AM, GATOONA wrote:
Christianity is by no means explainable through evidence and hard facts. It is a belief system, that can't really be proven false or true for now. Whether someone chooses to believe, it's highly up to them. So who are Atheists to bash down someone's belief? The same goes for Christians, who are they to bash another religion?

"They", regarding both groups as a majority, and not a whole, are people who believe that because they have a certain point of view, everybody else has to suffer for being a non-believer. This is why I'm glad Catholics are a bit more lax on the whole "I'm right, you're crap" thing.

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At 9/18/09 12:41 AM, Eclipse914 wrote: I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic.

Agnosticism is the best :)

I can't believe it took me so long to get into agnosticism.


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Hmm, keep in mind kids that if you put your faith into science - you're STILL religious!

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At 9/18/09 12:55 AM, Gateau wrote: Hmm, keep in mind kids that if you put your faith into science - you're STILL religious!

Such a vague argument. What point are you trying to make? What's the intent?

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At 9/18/09 12:39 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: So... what characteristics might we attribute to a person with an open mind... so as to nail down what exactly open mindedness is?

Receptiveness to the ideas of peers, contemporaries, elders, and the less experienced; that is to say: a purely objective stance on all rival opining (ie: willing to consider fairly before judging poorly or discarding). But, your assertion that free-will is ancillary to belief leaves a difficult paradox (if I'm following you): if open-mindedness is to be an action of free-will, then it's subordination to belief leaves it susceptible to corruption, either as an ideal or in practice. Which makes it an impossible and unreasonable ideal. Yet, if it were a belief, it would be unrelenting should proof arise of an objectively better system of belief (ie: open-mindedness is proved impossible and thusly another belief must be adopted).

So there must be degrees of open-mindedness, but how does one divide them? What separates one aspect of open-mindedness from another? How do you discern the smallest possible amount of difference between one open-minded individual and another?

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To me agnosticism seems kind of hypocritical. So you decision is to be undecided?
I'm not attacking agnosticism, I'm just trying to clarify.


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At 9/18/09 01:00 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:
At 9/18/09 12:55 AM, Gateau wrote: Hmm, keep in mind kids that if you put your faith into science - you're STILL religious!
Such a vague argument. What point are you trying to make? What's the intent?

Athiests can appear just as outrageous, arrogant, and extreme as most Christians/Muslims/Jews/ect. Not trying to be biased here, just letting you know.

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At 9/18/09 12:47 AM, jarrydn wrote:
At 9/18/09 12:41 AM, Eclipse914 wrote: I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic.
Agnosticism is the best :)

I can't believe it took me so long to get into agnosticism.

I'm stuck between agnosticism and atheism.

But yeah, the world would be better if everyone was okay with everyone believing what they want.

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