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So, Chuck Palahniuk is probably one of the greatest authors of our time.

You've probably seen Fight Club, but if you haven't read it, you're missing out. He paints such vivid mental images and does such a great job telling a story that there's a lot in the book itself that just doesn't translate. I'm not saying the movie was bad. On the contrary, it was great. But the book is also great.

Anyway~ I'm rambling. The way I was introduced to Chuck's writing was a short story written for and published in Playboy magazine called Guts. Reading this convinced me to go out and read Fight Club and other books he has written. I was inspired to do so because this short story scared the shit out of me, so to speak. It's a wonderful example of narrative, but it is not for the faint of heart. So, if you have the guts, I now present for your reading pleasure, Guts.

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I read Guts for the first time a few years ago, sitting on the beach. I actually had to stop reading near the end and take a walk for a bit, since I felt light-headed.

At the end of Haunted, Palahniuk described his book tour and his live-reading of the Guts story in front of the groups that would attend. Apparently, multiple people across the nation passed out while he was in the middle of reading this story. Others have vomited.

Any author who can write powerfully enough to elicit such violent physical responses in his readers is talented, there's no doubt about it.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen the movie 'Choke' based on his novel? I saw a preview for it once, then never heard about it again.

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Did you know that when he does live book readings people actually faint? That's how scary the stories are.

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At 9/16/09 12:14 PM, Timmy wrote: Any author who can write powerfully enough to elicit such violent physical responses in his readers is talented, there's no doubt about it.

Exactly.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen the movie 'Choke' based on his novel? I saw a preview for it once, then never heard about it again.

I'm ashamed that I haven't had the chance to see it. The book was awesome.

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At 9/16/09 12:08 PM, TheShrike wrote: So, Chuck Palahniuk is probably one of the greatest authors of our time.

Come on. I get that he's edgy and shit but he does not hold a spot in the GOAT.


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I love how he starts it, how he tells you to hold your breath. For most of the story I was holding my breath because it was quite gut wrenching. Palahniuk is definitely one of the best authors of all time, his writting can really trigger a response from the reader and not like other authors where you're just passively reading.

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God that story was fucking gruesome. I was shocked at the ending. I have to admit though for the beginning I was like "Where is he going with this." Yeah he's a great author.

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As a student studying creative writing, I notice my tutors and lecturers love to use Palahniuk as a sort of role-model writer. I'm quite ashamed to say that I'm yet to read any of Chuck's stuff, but I'm very much looking forward to it. I've found myself at the bookstore a few times, looking at his books on the shelf, and I'm just lost as to which one to read first.

You say Fight Club is a great read?


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Yeah, I read that a while ago. It was actually a great short story, but I didn't know he was the guy who wrote Fight Club.

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At 9/16/09 12:14 PM, Timmy wrote: Speaking of which, has anyone seen the movie 'Choke' based on his novel? I saw a preview for it once, then never heard about it again.

Choke was pretty good, but just like Fight Club I thought the book was a little better. I still recommend watching it though.

I remember reading Guts a while back, it's such a beautifully disgusting work of literature, easily one of my favorite short stories.

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At 9/16/09 12:36 PM, WritersBlock wrote: You say Fight Club is a great read?

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From what you guys have been saying, it looks like I really need to pick up a book by Chuck Palahniuk. I wouldn't necessarily like to read Fight Club, as I know most of the major turning points, I'd prefer a surprise. I'm guessing Guts is another good one? What else would you recommend?

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I'd never actually read any Chuck Palahniuk before today, but I found that enjoyable on a few different levels myself. Like you say, it's a powerful narrative and the ideas are all brought together in an interesting way to say the least. I'd actually heard of the story before, in an article on short stories that will disturb the reader I think, and I wasn't disappointed. Like Timmy mentioned, I was a bit light-headed too, because I can never help but feel a piece of writing physically when its that vivid, a good sign for the writer obviously.

I'm not actually all that much of a fan of Fight Club. It might be because I was tired when I watched it, or because I already knew the twist, but I didn't really find it interesting. Definitely humourous when it wanted to be, but eh, I don't know. That probably held me back from getting acquainted with Palahniuk. It's unfair, but yeah. Maybe I'll look into him some more now, and I remember reading a review of Choke (the film version) that seemed okay.


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Oh my god...
You've just barley read it?

I am a fan of Palahniuk (elements of our lives lapse... especially the homosexuality thing, and the themes we observe...)

But if I only read Guts, I wouldn't consider him the greatest writer. Heck... not even reading Fight Club, which is one of my favorite books.

It was only when I read his short story Escort that I realized that he's one of the best. (And it's one of his least gross...)

It's hard to find...
I downloaded it years ago (2003). I may upload it on my blog today...


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At 9/16/09 12:36 PM, WritersBlock wrote: You say Fight Club is a great read?

Yeah. But you read this short story, right? If not, it should only take a couple minutes.
Choke is another good one.

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Uploaded "Escort by Chuck Palahniuk" on my blog.

For anyone who is a fan and wants to read his best short story (which is rather hard to find).


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Yeah I have that book.

Very amusing and disgusting.

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At 9/16/09 12:54 PM, TheShrike wrote:
At 9/16/09 12:36 PM, WritersBlock wrote: You say Fight Club is a great read?
Yeah. But you read this short story, right? If not, it should only take a couple minutes.
Choke is another good one.

Don't live up to your name. Good writers read.

I read it after I posted my comment, yes.
And I hear that saying all the time, 'good writers read', and it just makes me want to read more. I haven't read many classics, as most good writers should have, but I'm starting to get into Tolkien, and just last week I picked up Bram Stoker's Dracula, in preferrence to the recent resurgence of vampire fiction such as Twilight. I'm probably going to head out to the shops tomorrow, in which case I'd definitely have another browse through the book store, and I'll probably be motivated to brink home a Palahniuk. It's all good and well, brushing up on literature that's established its greatness over many decades, but stories were written differently back then, whereas Palahniuk is very much in resonance with writers today. Read more? I really wish I had more time to read.


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At 9/16/09 12:44 PM, Tramps wrote: From what you guys have been saying, it looks like I really need to pick up a book by Chuck Palahniuk. I wouldn't necessarily like to read Fight Club, as I know most of the major turning points, I'd prefer a surprise. I'm guessing Guts is another good one? What else would you recommend?

Guts is a short story. I linked to the text in its entirety.

But yeah, Choke is good. Fight Club discloses the twist very, very early, if I recall correctly. I read it after seeing the movie. Knowing the general arc of the story didn't keep me from enjoying it, though.

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It's not just the classics you got to read...
you just got to read.

Even reading bad books (like Twilight) serves you a purpose... if helps you recognize crap. Reading good books that sweep you off your feet makes you hungry to do better.

That's what Stephen King says in On Writing: A Memoir.
You must read and write alot. And you cannot expect people to read your stuff if you haven't read theirs.

I read everyday, at least, maybe, 2 to 3 hours. But that's because I take a book everywhere I go... currently, I'm reading "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies."


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At 9/16/09 01:06 PM, WritersBlock wrote: And I hear that saying all the time, 'good writers read', and it just makes me want to read more. I haven't read many classics, as most good writers should have, but I'm starting to get into Tolkien, and just last week I picked up Bram Stoker's Dracula, in preferrence to the recent resurgence of vampire fiction such as Twilight.

It's exactly the same with me, that first line. I agree with the statement too, and I've pushed it myself more than a few times to friends or people online. With that in mind, I often kick myself over how little reading I find myself doing. I've got a few "classics" in my collection (and influences, though I don't write anywhere near as much as I want to), but I've never read any actual classics even though I'd be interested in doing so. I mean, I've used the word "odyssey" numerous times before, but I've never read the poem.

I've taken a liking to what many publishers call "modern classics" of the twentieth century. It fits what you say about having a more postmodern writer like Chuck Palahniuk in your influences, though a lot of what I've got is around fifty or sixty years old now. I'll keep my eyes open next time I'm in a book shop anyway, I might end up with a Chuck Palahniuk, or another Bret Easton Ellis, or someone similar.


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At 9/16/09 01:22 PM, fli wrote: It's not just the classics you got to read...
you just got to read.

Even reading bad books (like Twilight) serves you a purpose... if helps you recognize crap. Reading good books that sweep you off your feet makes you hungry to do better.

That's what Stephen King says in On Writing: A Memoir.
You must read and write alot. And you cannot expect people to read your stuff if you haven't read theirs.

I read everyday, at least, maybe, 2 to 3 hours. But that's because I take a book everywhere I go... currently, I'm reading "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies."

Ah, I started writing Pride and Prejudice and Zombies a little while ago too. Got distracted and haven't picked it up in a while. As with quite a few other books.

And as with taking a book with you everywhere you go, I'm starting to get into that habit, myself. To work, sure, to uni, definitely. But there's no doubt that I've got a lot more that I should read, I feel like I'm only really scratching the surface.


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At 9/16/09 01:22 PM, fli wrote: I read everyday, at least, maybe, 2 to 3 hours. But that's because I take a book everywhere I go... currently, I'm reading "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies."

Ah - I heard a lot of buzz about that book and wanted to give it a read. Do you have to already have the original 'Pride and Prejudice' read before starting the parody?

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At 9/16/09 12:45 PM, fli wrote: Oh my god...
You've just barley read it?

No, this was something I read many years ago, when it was published in Playboy. 2004 or 2005, I think.

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That story was brilliant, absolutely perfect for the Internet.
Although, coming from Palahnuik, I don't expect anything less.


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The whole Haunted collection is pretty cool. Some of it's ideas are a little hit or miss, but it really puts a focus on the way Chuck Palahniuk is able to create modern Urban Legends. Concepts that are entirely plausible yet just far enough away from reality for you to shrug them off, but you'll still never look at a pool pump the same way again.

Guts may be the story everyone immediately recalls if you bring up Haunted, but personally The Nightmare Box was my hands down favorite.

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At 9/16/09 01:40 PM, WritersBlock wrote: Ah, I started writing Pride and Prejudice and Zombies a little while ago too. Got distracted and haven't picked it up in a while. As with quite a few other books.

And as with taking a book with you everywhere you go, I'm starting to get into that habit, myself. To work, sure, to uni, definitely. But there's no doubt that I've got a lot more that I should read, I feel like I'm only really scratching the surface.

In my opinion, reading classic novels (like those of the college recommended reading list) serves a sort of dual purpose. It not only shows you the amazing word-craft that people can conjure, it also provides an understanding of what writers today have been influenced by. People like Hemingway have impact modern writing in ways that are only really understood when you've become at least semi-well versed in his writings.

About Guts... to be honest, I'm not sure I'm glad I read it. I will admit that the writing was absolutely brilliant. I will not deny his talent... but it's absolutely stomach churning and cringe-worthy.


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I don't read books, but i loved that story. It was amazing. In terms of violence, it could be compared to a shock video, even though its just text and you don't actually see what is happening. That is hard to achieve.

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