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I hope that answers any Satan related questions anyone may feel the need to ask... If you want a list of the Nine Satanic Statements for refference, go to this link: Nine Satanic Statements

is Satanism even a real religion?i always just thought they were a HUGE cult, like the Jehovah's Witnesses. And on the subject of Satanism,if any post in this thread, in the beliefs of Satanism, are there Nine Hells like in Dante's Inferno?

thanks for the enlightenment. most of what i've read, admittedly not much, had to do with worshipping self's ego or the fulfilling primal desires.

At 3/14/04 01:33 PM, The_Tormentor wrote: is Satanism even a real religion?i always just thought they were a HUGE cult, like the Jehovah's Witnesses. And on the subject of Satanism,if any post in this thread, in the beliefs of Satanism, are there Nine Hells like in Dante's Inferno?

No, there are Nine GATES, but not nine HeIIs. The idea of Nine hells originated from the Aztec beliefs of nine Underworlds, seven Heavens, and one Earth (The 'Piggy in the Middle' layer). And YES they are a real reigion, since they have a licenced leader (high Priestess LaVey) and a licenced head quarters (Check out the adress for the First Satanic church on their website
Satanic Church.com ) and Governments in U.K and most of Europe HAVE to recognise it as a formal religion. I'm not sure on the U.S.A though. Anyways, anymore Satanic questions can be asked of me VIA AIM or E-mail at: davidatnans@aol.com. Maybe I should start a Satanism study topic... >_>

At 3/14/04 01:37 PM, Izuamoto wrote: thanks for the enlightenment. most of what i've read, admittedly not much, had to do with worshipping self's ego or the fulfilling primal desires.

That's the basis for Satanism, and what is actually 'worshiped'. Though, I quote LaVey again, "Satan demands study, NOT worship!" I also have to point out that it is seen that Satan is the guiding force that leads to the fufilling of these desires, and the satisfaction of one's Ego.

At 3/14/04 01:41 PM, Inquisitor-Faust wrote:

No, there are Nine GATES, but not nine HeIIs. The idea of Nine hells originated from the Aztec beliefs of nine Underworlds.

What about Dante? did he get that from the Aztecs?

At 3/14/04 08:09 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

What about Dante? did he get that from the Aztecs?

Yes, the pre-christian ideals were the inspiration for Dante's ideals. The Nine gates, though, are based on a cross between the spanish colonizers christianity, and the Aztecs theories. That's why, due to the march of time, it is more widely accepted by Satanists there are nine gates instead, as it is a simpler idea to stick to, instead of nine seperate hells.

I don't believe in god because, i have no reason to. I respect that you stand behind your beliefs, but it was proven by who knows (google-it) that some christians go to church and believe in the teachings solely because they can't make their own minds. diffrent words same thing.

I'm not saying don't believe, im just saying that shouldn't critisize another over beliefs or whatever. because so far no one can prove anything on the subject.

I'm not in favor of a church that takes money away from you. (tything and what-not). And im not in favor of missionaries. don't force anything on anybody!

At 3/16/04 12:11 AM, meowmix_deliveryman wrote: I don't believe in god because, i have no reason to.

Even if a god did exist, would it be worthy of your praise? I don't think I could respect something that condones ethnocide.

i guess i would qualify as an agnostic. i've studied some paganism, not wiccan, like a lot of people in eastern massachusetts go around calling themselves white witches and it's kind of annoying, all that damn passivity is half the reason i left catholocism. so i guess i feel about it the same way about white magic as inquisitorfaust.

i think LaVey has got some good ideas, altough he kind of lost me with the whole clock spectrum of builds and personalities, i just don't buy that, and that's my personal belief. interesting fellow, he's got some screws loose, but that's not a bad thing

If Jesus truly was the son of god and god truly was the creator of this world, then why didn't god explain to his miracle making son that the world he had created was, actually, round?

This would have prevented the persecution of Gallilao some 1,000 years later, an event that the all-seeing, all-knowing omnipresence himself must have forseen.

that's cuz jesus wasn't really the son of god, and god, as the christians know him, doesn't exist

At 3/17/04 11:34 AM, Citizen66 wrote: If Jesus truly was the son of god and god truly was the creator of this world, then why didn't god explain to his miracle making son that the world he had created was, actually, round?

This would have prevented the persecution of Gallilao some 1,000 years later, an event that the all-seeing, all-knowing omnipresence himself must have forseen.

But, everyone already knew the world was round.
http://www.id.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html

At 3/17/04 03:21 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: But, everyone already knew the world was round.

So, why did the pope perseciute gallilao then 1,400 years after the meddling massiah - as the pope *is* God's official spokesman, knows him personally and speaks on his behalf???

At 3/17/04 08:04 PM, Citizen66 wrote:

At 3/17/04 03:21 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: But, everyone already knew the world was round.

So, why did the pope perseciute gallilao then 1,400 years after the meddling massiah - as the pope *is* God's official spokesman, knows him personally and speaks on his behalf???

Because Galileo created a mathematical model for a heliocentric solar system. Tycho Brache had a mathematical model for a geocentric solar system, which included a round earth and was praised by the church.

Why don't you do some research before you start spouting off. Try typing Galileo into Google.

i wonder how it was they figured out the earth was round. you really can't tell from where we're standing

At 3/18/04 02:45 PM, Izuamoto wrote: i wonder how it was they figured out the earth was round. you really can't tell from where we're standing

A good view of the horizon should let you know the earth is round... then it really wouldn't be horizontal, but you get the idea.

satan and god are just a dramatic oversimplication of the complexities of human life

At 3/18/04 02:45 PM, Izuamoto wrote: i wonder how it was they figured out the earth was round. you really can't tell from where we're standing

Also, you can look at other celestial bodies, the question is, are they flat disks, or round. Coupled with the horizon evidence, it's pretty obvious that the world is round.

I respect Christians for their beleifs, and I am not an athiest but I still beleive that if u practice an evangelical religion (u try to spread ur beleifs- like those assholes who go around converting native americans and Indians of the Amazon) and u practice the evangelical part, ur a fucker. U have ur own beleifs, fine. keep them to urself. u dont see us unitarians tryingto convert u fools all the time, do u? 'nuff said

But part of their religion is that they HAVE to spread their religion, because that is the only way to bring the Rapture.

i think LaVey has got some good ideas,

He HAD good ideas, now he's dead... Since 1995. R.I.P you black pope, you...

altough he kind of lost me with the whole clock spectrum of builds and personalities,

It's complicated, but you get used to understanding it with atleast half a year of studying of the Satanic Bible. =P

i just don't buy that, and that's my personal belief. interesting fellow, he's HAD (Corrected by I-F) some screws loose, but that's not a bad thing

I'm clinically insane, and look what it did for me. Top of my entire year for science and maths! Insanity can come about from finding too much intelligence... Some of us just can't handle genius. And your beliefs are your own, so keep with them. Forced opinionism is a true satanic sin. Keep the faith of your beliefs, and you will go far in ego satisfaction...

At 3/21/04 02:55 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: But part of their religion is that they HAVE to spread their religion, because that is the only way to bring the Rapture.

that is the most convient cultist ideal ive heard in a while, but just because it is mandated by their religion would it then be made ethical? I would think not...

I think that too many people are locked in this idea that their religion they've been brought up with is automatically rigt, and all other are wrong. That includes Jahovah (sp?) witnesses, that say that only their members wil go to heaven and all the rest will "burn in hell", despite claims by their lesser members to the contrary... I've got a racist Jahovah witness always complaining about my music, and my dress sense... I just tell her to go screw her 'God' if I get complaints. =P

hey faust i see you like black metal, you listen to amon amarth, mutilation, the legion, finntroll, or stromlord?

At 4/1/04 04:26 PM, Inquisitor-Faust wrote: I think that too many people are locked in this idea that their religion they've been brought up with is automatically rigt, and all other are wrong.

That is exactly the reason why I'm so hard on Atheists. I think it's good that they have come to the same conclusion that I have, but I think it's necessary that they accept it for the right reasons.

At 4/1/04 06:38 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: That is exactly the reason why I'm so hard on Atheists. I think it's good that they have come to the same conclusion that I have, but I think it's necessary that they accept it for the right reasons.

I understand why you would question the atheist, but would you agree that atheism is the default position?

Would you accept that some people have no reason to believe otherwise?

i personally don't think that people should search for religion to find answers to the unknown. no religion will ever teach us the secrets of the universe, only science will. however, religion to me is more of a spiritual thing, because i feel that when you die, the image of the afterlife that you consider most comforting actually happens. i'm sick of all these christians saying "you'll go to hell if you don't praise jesus", because the christians will go to their heaven (or hell if they know they're bad), the pagans will go to the underworld and the elysium plains, and i, personally will go to my own little place, because i have my own religion, and my own view of eternity. and it's awesome.

At 4/1/04 08:23 PM, ohp-kyle wrote:

At 4/1/04 06:38 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: That is exactly the reason why I'm so hard on Atheists. I think it's good that they have come to the same conclusion that I have, but I think it's necessary that they accept it for the right reasons.

I understand why you would question the atheist, but would you agree that atheism is the default position?

Would you accept that some people have no reason to believe otherwise?

Atheism is not the default, a state of not thinking is default, similar to that is Nihlism, which says that nothing is important, including the existence of god. I'd say Atheism is quite a bit further, as it says that the existence of God is definitely not true, and as a consequence of that, a set of ethics, independent of the existence of god must be formed.

Some people believe in Atheism in the same way that some people believe in Christianity, blindly. They buy a cd that trashes religion, or come across something in their religion that confuses them. The problem with this, is that they will never progress intellectually if they never challenge their beliefs. People often say things like "It's impossible to prove or disprove religion." I ask, "Prove it."

These one liners, while they do make one feel smart when one says them, have no more substance than "Four Legs good, two legs bad."

I don't discourage Atheism, I just wish people would take it a step further, and try to understand WHY Atheism is correct.

A quick summary of philosophy:
Metaphysics: What is real?
Epistemology: How do we know things?
Ethics: What should we do?
Politics: What should groups do?

Atheism only answers one aspect of Metaphysics, to continue to understand the universe, one must progress further.

Just a quick question to everyone here:

do you think that a belief in g-d equals a belief in the afterlife and g-d's overbearing influence in our lives? does he have to have been our creator, or could he have been creating along with the rest of us?

just wondering what you all thought. thanks.