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Ok im getting the feeling that you people really dont know much about atheists. and i as the arch bishop of atheism feel the need to educate you. So here are some common misconceptions.

1. Atheists = scary goth people,

umm i cant say where you got that from but if you meet any scary goth atheists, I offically excomunicate them from the atheist church.

2. Atheists = People who like pissing off christians.

He he, well you got us there I have to admit i enjoy disproving the existance of god to random people. They turn funny colors before they start trying to kill you.

3. Atheists should not try and force their beliefs on other religons.

Make those godam jehovas witnesses leave me alone and youll never have an atheist call you a moron for believing in god again

You hit the nail dead on there. I know an atheist person, and we have an agreement that as long as one of doesn't force our beliefs on the other, no one gets beaten. He's not a goth, in fact most goth people i know say they do believe in the existence of a God, they jsut choose not to follow one. Jehovah witnesses are jsut palin annoying to anyone, religious or not. I want them off my doorstep just as bad as you do.

im neither athiest or christian im in the middle i believe in god but do not fully believe in the bible

At 3/7/04 06:24 PM, wazup190 wrote: im neither athiest or christian im in the middle i believe in god but do not fully believe in the bible

You're referring to atheism as if it's at the end of some spectrum that has more than two choices. You're either an atheist or you're not.

I remember thinking something like you wrote. Don't lie to yourself.

At 3/7/04 06:24 PM, wazup190 wrote: im neither athiest or christian im in the middle i believe in god but do not fully believe in the bible

Than you're an agnostic.

agnostic sounds right to me. There is a God but he didn't give us the bible, torah, koran etc. sounds like an agnostic belief

Unless you have some sort of guiding principle in your life, you'll eventually wander back to christianity. Atheism is just the first step, it's not a belief system. You really need to start researching different philosophies. I'd personally reccommend Ayn Rand as a starting place, especially her book "Philosophy, Who Needs It?" The first essay in the book explains the necessity of philospophy and if you can look past her promotion of her own philosophy, Objectivism, you get a good understanding of the impact of philosophy in the world.
Her most famous book, Atlas Shrugged, while extremely long, is pretty easy to read, If you've read all the Harry Potter books, then you're probably prepared to read Atlas Shrugged.

I'm not going to even attempt to reccommend any other books, mostly because I'm not as familiar as I would like to be with other philosophies. If anyone can reccommend a good, easy, book that illustrates another philosophy, feel free to mention it.

At 3/7/04 07:24 PM, slapthemonkey wrote: agnostic sounds right to me. There is a God but he didn't give us the bible, torah, koran etc. sounds like an agnostic belief

No, that's not agnostic. According to the definition I'm looking at, an agnostic wouldn't say there is or isn't a god, but they don't profess to true atheism.

yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, the boring battle that has lasted forever.

At 3/9/04 12:54 AM, Fiend_Lore wrote: yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, the boring battle that has lasted forever.

If so boring, why is it still going on amongst so many really really smart people?

At 2/16/04 06:54 PM, ichbincow wrote: --->> Did they FORCE you to take a flyer? hold you at gunpoint to read the flyer? Im guessing no...no foul no harm--treat them as you would an AMWAY saleman and simply move on with your life.

I don't go to high school anymore, my sister told me about the whole thing so maybe at gun point (my sister is very reliable)

----->>>> No offence but neither group sounds like they are even remotely mature......

.....none taken......

---->>> Have you tried to organize ? has any of the NON Christian groups you mentioned try to hold and organize a study? Im thinking that because they lack the organization and/or perhaps they are in fact holding them just without your knowledge you are assumeing the school is oppressing them....

I'm not anything, I'm non-religous. well I can give a remote example. Me and my friends wanted to start up a street racer club at the school. we got support and what not. But that Batard Cummins (the principal) dismissed the whole thing and said it was 'rediculous'

------>>>Reality check kiddo....predjudicial behavior is not restricted to merely religious viewpoint or one's race.

ok, 1. I know that. 2. I'm 19 don't call me kiddo.

At 3/7/04 08:23 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Unless you have some sort of guiding principle in your life, you'll eventually wander back to christianity.

oh? And what makes you think this? That's your opinion.

Atheism is just the first step, it's not a belief system. You really need to start researching different philosophies.

A sure sign of weakness is the inability to form one's own opinions and theories. Choosing someone else's isn't always the most enlightining path.

At 3/7/04 06:57 PM, Kyle_22 wrote

You're referring to atheism as if it's at the end of some spectrum that has more than two choices. You're either an atheist or you're not.

That is incorrect, friend. I am agnostic, and it really is middle of the road. I allow myself to see through as many other's eyes as possible. And no, don't ask me if i've read thousands of books of other people's philosophy. Thats THEIRS. They made it up. A found theory is better than a chosen theory. I believe that there is a possibility of some sort of higher power. But i don't need to call him god. Or jesus. Or the pope. There is no greater plan. Evolution does exist. Death IS the end....etc etc. I could go on forever, but i won't.

At 3/6/04 04:52 AM, Ceris wrote: With the example you gave, true it doesn't necessarily mean God is involved. With the lottery though, there is a perfectly natural and plausible explantion for why they won the lottery. With the origin of life, however, science has been unable to come up with a single plausible theory that stands up to scruitiny. Because of this, the burden of proof falls upon science.

Oh yea..ok...let's just scrap rationality. Sure, evolution doesn't prove every single how and when of creation...but you know what's even MORE vague and uninforming? God. The bible's story (and i use the word story literally) of god creating the heavens and stars is far more unbelievable than evolution. At least evolution offers SOME sort of explanation, SOME sort of proof.

Religion really does make me giggle. There is so much irony. Christians disregard evolution, because it's not rational enough for them...so they then turn to something even LESS rational.

At 3/6/04 06:44 AM, wickedhamo wrote: i respect atheists religion but i fuken h8 it wen they say bad stuff and bag u about ur religion.

Atheism is not a religion...if someone calling themselves and athiest tells you it is, they are probably not an atheist. Atheism is like anarchy...they are both faulty, closeminded beliefs that don't work when mixed with rationality.

At 2/17/04 10:59 PM, Mike277 wrote: If someone say, an Athiest tries to tell me that my faith is "wrong", I just ignore them...That's right boys and girls, IGNORE!!! If someone pisses you off, don't try to "get even with him/her" Just accept the fact that not everybody believes what you believe in.

oh...so...really...you're no better than a pacifist...or a coward. Instead of confronting and questioning your own moral and theological truths...you brush it off as someone else's ignorance. If one cannot stand up for his own beliefs, then they are faulty in design..and irrelevant for any real cause.

At 3/12/04 11:55 AM, Damien3003 wrote:

At 3/6/04 06:44 AM, wickedhamo wrote: i respect atheists religion but i fuken h8 it wen they say bad stuff and bag u about ur religion.

Atheism is not a religion...if someone calling themselves and athiest tells you it is, they are probably not an atheist. Atheism is like anarchy...they are both faulty, closeminded beliefs that don't work when mixed with rationality.

The only way atheism and anarchy are similar is through the lack of something an atheist and anarchist would have. But that's still a weak comparison.

Atheism and anarchy are faulty? If atheism is faulty, then you're born faulty.

As for anarchy, it was successful somewhere (I get the feeling it was in Spain, but I don't remember). Does any system of government really work?

Atheism and anarchy are both closed minded beliefs that don't work well with rationality? I guess agnosticism is the perfect way to be, then? I guess I'm just too closed-minded to understand.

At 3/12/04 01:07 PM, Kyle_22 wrote:
The only way atheism and anarchy are similar is through the lack of something an atheist and anarchist would have. But that's still a weak comparison.

They are both a systems of that are based around the lack of something, as opposed the promotion of.. Not a weak comparison at all.

Atheism and anarchy are faulty? If atheism is faulty, then you're born faulty.

Prefusing other's beliefs is faulty, yes. We are born believing in nothing...that is far from atheism. Atheists believe in the lack of something...thats very different from believing in nothing.

and yes, the synonym for anarchy is chaos...that makes it faulty.

Does any system of government really work?

No, not totally. NOTHING totally works. But something works better than nothing.

Atheism and anarchy are both closed minded beliefs that don't work well with rationality? I guess agnosticism is the perfect way to be, then? I guess I'm just too closed-minded to understand.

lol hey, you said it buddy, not me. Extremeties are ignorant. Denial is ignorant. Ignorance is the opposite of rationality. Atheism and anarchy both pre-deny. And yes...middle of the road is much better than extreme.

At 3/12/04 11:42 AM, Damien3003 wrote:

At 3/7/04 08:23 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Unless you have some sort of guiding principle in your life, you'll eventually wander back to christianity.

oh? And what makes you think this? That's your opinion.

Well, most people eventually decide that something in the world has value, either that, or they die before they do. Nihlism gets kind of boring after a while, and unless you get into the really deep part, you'll just give up.

A sure sign of weakness is the inability to form one's own opinions and theories. Choosing someone else's isn't always the most enlightining path.

I didn't say choose another's path, I said research other paths, I'm pretty sure that most philosophers who created revolutionary ideas were at least familiar with other ideas.

At 3/12/04 01:48 PM, Damien3003 wrote: Prefusing other's beliefs is faulty, yes. We are born believing in nothing...that is far from atheism. Atheists believe in the lack of something...thats very different from believing in nothing.

It's not far from atheism at all. An atheist has no belief in a god; when you are born, you have no belief in a god (or anything, really).

Atheists have no belief in a god. It's not about saying gods do not exist. You believe in a god, or you don't. There's a difference between saying "No gods exist" and "I don't believe in a god."

Ok im getting the feeling that you people really dont know much about atheists. and i as the arch bishop of atheism feel the need to educate you. So here are some common misconceptions.

1. Atheists = scary goth people,

umm i cant say where you got that from but if you meet any scary goth atheists, I offically excomunicate them from the atheist church.

Excuse me why would you excomunicate a so called "scary goth athiest" from the athiest church. How do you know that there not nice on the inside. Just because they might look scary does not meen that something is bad.

My opinion on religion(s)

People who automatically accept the concept of god(s), do so through fear of their own mortality and the discoveries that they could make should they venture outside of the constraints that is their default set for them by 2000+ year old rhetoric.

No gods, no leaders, no rulers.

At 3/13/04 09:02 AM, Citizen66 wrote: My opinion on religion(s)

People who automatically accept the concept of god(s), do so through fear of their own mortality and the discoveries that they could make should they venture outside of the constraints that is their default set for them by 2000+ year old rhetoric.

No gods, no leaders, no rulers.

Yeah, rhetoric, I hate it when people just spout off a bunch of rhetoric.

At 3/13/04 09:59 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Yeah, rhetoric, I hate it when people just spout off a bunch of rhetoric.

As opposed to individualistic ideas? ;)

At 3/13/04 09:02 AM, Citizen66 wrote: My opinion on religion(s)

People who automatically accept the concept of god(s), do so through fear of their own mortality and the discoveries that they could make should they venture outside of the constraints that is their default set for them by 2000+ year old rhetoric.

No gods, no leaders, no rulers.

I guess people feel better when they are in a state of subordination.

At 3/13/04 11:01 AM, Kyle_22 wrote: I guess people feel better when they are in a state of subordination.

So it's really quite selfish of them really, isn't it?With having their views decided for them and feeling good about themselves because of it. Religion is complete self-righteous cack. Oh, I'm such-and-such religion, and WE ARE RIGHT. No you're fucking not. You are blind.

Humanity needs Dogma and ceremony. It is our way of venting out our anger without taking up the bold courage to actually do it ourselves, and it is what enables us to fufil egos and claim to have dissolved them. That is, the right handed religions anyways. The left handed religions, Satanism, Pagans e.c.t all believe not in Athiesm, but in a religion based on realistic opinions. It's not about "WE ARE RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG" it's aboutfinding what suits you with the left handed path. I am a satanist, and I hold no grudge on christian or athiest, so get over the arguments over it.

At my school, nobody gave a fuck bout religion...

At 3/13/04 07:28 PM, ShadowOfTheCrap wrote: Random useless bullcrap

Obviously you have not really got the point of this thread. So what if you don't give a fuck about religion, this place is for people that do. Discuss if you will this topic's contents, just don't post mindless crap like "Most people don't give a fuck about blah blah blah."

Thank you, you're very very nice people!

Inquisitor Faust
as a satanist can you please explain to me how the religion got to be called satanism, considering that it has nothing to do with the devil or any other christian boogey man?

This aught to be long. Ok, Satanists of the First Satanic church do not worship Satan as a GOD, but still believe that Satan exists. Satan, according to the writings of LaVey, is the force of nature that drives the ambitions and desires of men. The Nine Satanic Statements clearly show this in most cases. Satanism as a whole is seen as not wanting to be known as being "With the Devil" according to the general public. This is incorrect, as any loyal Satanist pictures Satan as either A) A guiding force, leading himself to be his own God (Since all gods are created within the mind) B) A real god (to the extremists of some sects like the Temple of Set, or the Oriental Templars (OTT) or C) Themselves, as LaVey once said, if you're going to make a god, why not make that God yourself? Some people put Pagans and Wiccans in the "Satanic" genre. This is not true to the sense of the word. Satanism does not represent the ideals of Wicca (Which is something on the liens of being in tune with the magical properties of nature. Hypocritical "White" witches essencially) or the ideals of pre-christian pagans completely, though inspiration from Pre-Christian religions is taken into account, e.g. the Devil worshiping Yezidi civilisation. Basically, although most Satanists don't see Satan as a direct GOD, any loyal satanist would still believe in him being a force of nature. I will now add a quote that explains this from the Satanic bible:

'Most Satanists do not accept Satan as an anthropomorphic being with cloven hooves, a barbed tail, and Horns. He merely represents a force of nature-the powers of darkness which have been named just that because no religion has taken these forces OUT of the darkness. Nor has science been able to apply technical terminology to this force. It is an untapped resrvoir that few can make use of because they lack the ability to use a tool without having to first break down and label all the parts which make it run. It is this incessant need to analyze which prohibits most people from taking advantage of this many faceted key to the unkown-which the Satanist chooses to call "Satan"'

As you can see, although Satan to us is not a god, he still exists as a force that we use as our inspiration. If a "Satanist" doesn't believe in such a force, then he is not truely a satanist, and is a hypocrite. I personally choose to view Satan as a real God, as through my life I have been inspired by an unkown force to stay alive through many different things. This is my choosing, and other satanists choose differently. Just never make the assumption a true satanist denies Satan in any form.