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At 2/18/04 07:14 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/18/04 06:36 AM, ExCrEaTiOn wrote: at my school we have to do RE but we do about lots of different religions not just one but i think if you dont want to take them you shouldnt have to

You can't just drop subjects because you dont WANT them.

Presuming by your age that you are in year 9 you haven't yet been given your option choices. SOME schools in our country allow RS as an option subject, however, since I attend a Catholic school out of no choice of my own, I have to take RS and not just normal RS, Catholic-only RS. I think it's pretty dumb to call it RS when the majority of the syllabus is based on Catholicism but I don't really have a choice and I'm probably going to get a GCSE out of it anyway so it's all good.

At 2/18/04 09:31 AM, shitt0r wrote: Presuming by your age that you are in year 9 you haven't yet been given your option choices. SOME schools in our country allow RS as an option subject, however, since I attend a Catholic school out of no choice of my own, I have to take RS and not just normal RS, Catholic-only RS. I think it's pretty dumb to call it RS when the majority of the syllabus is based on Catholicism but I don't really have a choice and I'm probably going to get a GCSE out of it anyway so it's all good.

No. I'm in Y10. Not that it really matters. We CANT take RS at our school, they dont offer it as an option, because nobody ever took it.

Athiest is the gayest piece of shit establishment.

At 2/18/04 06:33 PM, zerosk8er4566 wrote: Athiest is the gayest piece of shit establishment.

So it's an establishment now, huh? Should athiests show up at the First Athiest Church of *insert city*?

Does this mean the amount of athiests molested is going to skyrocket?

Actually skunk there is already a very large church of atheism established worldwide. The faithful often congregate from all over to pray to the great lord Athei.

If you're looking for some kind of 'atheist establishment', the Humanist Society might come close.

www.positiveatheism.org --> Try arguing your points with Cliff Walker.

At 2/18/04 07:07 PM, Locke666 wrote: Actually skunk there is already a very large church of atheism established worldwide. The faithful often congregate from all over to pray to the great lord Athei.

By definition then, they aren't really atheists.

If atheism is a church, then i wonder how are the preachings on sunday. Like, "And then God did not create the man on the seventh day, and he did not create him out of mud and he did not blow the essence of life on him and then he did not..."

...Interesting...

My god this forum is filled with non believers in athie

and they dont understand irony.

The great lord will smite you for this.

At 2/18/04 08:08 PM, Locke666 wrote: My god this forum is filled with non believers in athie

and they dont understand irony.

The great lord will smite you for this.

I almost believed your first sentence, but I think that was because I was reading quickly, and missed your use of 'church.'

But yes, societies like that humanist one are the closest you'll come.

Hold on dude. I'm not saying that i;m an athiest, but if the Nazis did that march in the town in oregon in the 80's, why can't athiests hand out flyers? and fyi, athiests aren't satanists. They don't beleive in satan or god or anything.

At 2/18/04 09:37 PM, fhqwgads wrote: Hold on dude. I'm not saying that i;m an athiest, but if the Nazis did that march in the town in oregon in the 80's, why can't athiests hand out flyers? and fyi, athiests aren't satanists. They don't beleive in satan or god or anything.

I think the point was the atheists were doing it PURELY to piss off the Christians, which is immature.

That being said, the Christians were being very irritating.

I was walking through the Campus Centre of my university, and someone handed me a bookmark. I was given Christian "propaganda" in bookmark form.

I found this to be irritating, but I realize I have no reason to be "upset" about it.

At 2/19/04 09:08 AM, Kyle_22 wrote: I was walking through the Campus Centre of my university, and someone handed me a bookmark. I was given Christian "propaganda" in bookmark form.

I found this to be irritating, but I realize I have no reason to be "upset" about it.

Exactly. You know what you should do though? Get a bunch of those pens that, when you flip them upside down, the ladies clothes fall off, and hand those out when someone gives you some religious info. Yeah, yeah! Do it!

At 2/19/04 11:34 AM, -redskunk- wrote: Exactly. You know what you should do though...?

Nah. Just campaign for abortion to be lagel. THAT'd piss them off.

personally, if hear that someone is a christian, it usually lowers my opinion of them. that being said i have some good friends who are christian, i dont have a problem with christainity or religion in principle but it seems that religion has caused a lot of war and other crap over the years and for the most part is a load of crap.
:P

At 2/19/04 02:05 PM, Kesthesmith wrote: personally, if hear that someone is a christian, it usually lowers my opinion of them.

The same has happened to me. I try not to think about it, but I really can't help it. Hell, the same thing happens when I hear someone call another person an "idiot" or "moron".

I think that a major issue here that people are overlooking is that Christianity isn't just a simple "choice" among other equal choices in North American schools - it's a deeply-rooted value system that helped to create and shape the school system itself, the government, our laws, and who is included and excluded from those laws. The puritans who colonized the US, like John Winthrope, believed themselves to be pre-ordained by God, or chosen by God, to be the rulers of the US, and that it was their duty to guard themselves from the evil of all those around them, and at the same time to civilize everyone else. That's how the native population got decimated, and in the present day, thats why George W. Bush still seems to be wary of any other religious or ethnic group other than white American christians (he is probably not as racist against blacks, since Black Americans have had to fight so hard for recognition in their own country). Christians, therefore, probably have a much deeper responsibility to be aware of this history, and not impose themselves on other religious groups, or on "public" institutions, if we are really trying to become a less racist, more open society.

At 2/16/04 08:49 PM, -redskunk- wrote: I don't see the problem here.. Why are we posting again?

*slips, falls, hits his head*

Christianity bad!!

Oh shut the fuck up, if you want to comment don't. debate!

Athiests arent satanic mofo,they dont belive in any of that,like me. I dont belive in God,or Satan,or Budah or any of them. As far as Iam concerned its all lies made by the strong to control the weak.

I Athiest, hate all the other athiests on the forum, they are very stupid, give athiests a bad name, and to be an athiset means that god is just a name in their mind. These guys are fuckin' freaks or "Goths" and they use the gothic image as a style. Fuck you all!!!!! And yes a VERY LARGE majority of religious people DO force their religion on to others (I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT) You are all hicks, morons, or some kind of freaks. I used to be an active member of a church (BAD MISTAKE). I don't hate religious people i hate the brainwashing churchs and religious leaders!!

At 2/19/04 07:49 PM, K-Rizl wrote: I Athiest, hate all the other athiests on the forum, they are very stupid, give athiests a bad name, and to be an athiset means that god is just a name in their mind. These guys are fuckin' freaks or "Goths" and they use the gothic image as a style. Fuck you all!!!!! And yes a VERY LARGE majority of religious people DO force their religion on to others (I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT) You are all hicks, morons, or some kind of freaks. I used to be an active member of a church (BAD MISTAKE). I don't hate religious people i hate the brainwashing churchs and religious leaders!!

The thing is, Atheism is based on a rejection of Christianity, or perhaps organized religion in general. Thus, Atheism is itself based on organized religion, and in fact is part of organized religion in its rejection of it. An Atheist needs organized religion otherwise their whole belief system falls apart. Atheism is therefore a part of Christianity.

Since athiesm is rejecting the belief of any higher diety, could they really worship satan? Acording to their views he wouldnt exist

I hate how trendy it is to be athiests all of a sudden. And how smug they are in their conviction that god doesn't exist. Wild.

At 2/19/04 08:33 PM, H-Dawg wrote:

At 2/19/04 07:49 PM, K-Rizl wrote: I Athiest, hate all the other athiests on the forum, they are very stupid, give athiests a bad name, and to be an athiset means that god is just a name in their mind. These guys are fuckin' freaks or "Goths" and they use the gothic image as a style. Fuck you all!!!!! And yes a VERY LARGE majority of religious people DO force their religion on to others (I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT) You are all hicks, morons, or some kind of freaks. I used to be an active member of a church (BAD MISTAKE). I don't hate religious people i hate the brainwashing churchs and religious leaders!!

The thing is, Atheism is based on a rejection of Christianity, or perhaps organized religion in general. Thus, Atheism is itself based on organized religion, and in fact is part of organized religion in its rejection of it. An Atheist needs organized religion otherwise their whole belief system falls apart. Atheism is therefore a part of Christianity.

I despise you both to my very core after reading this. Blah Blah Blah im the only atheist i dont know what it means blah blah blah im full of shit. Goth kids that are satanists are idiots - valid. A large MAJORITY of people force religion on people damn dead wrong absolutely moronic i mean honestly how many people pass out pamphlets to you, oh wait you're in a high school philosophy class my bad all the kids prance around safe in their opinions and the teacher doeasnt teach shit. Being a member of a church actually isnt that bad, depending on the church you may
1) feed the poor, give money to the poor
2) learn semi-valuable life lessons you dont seem capable of coming to on your own.
3) have additional drive or motivation in life
How can you not hate people that attempt to brainwash, I dont know where the fuck you are from but either that place is messed up or you need to re-evaluate what you beleive in life.

other guy - yada yada yada (standing for nothing that remotely points in the direction of a logically conclusion argument) Theist is a person who beleives in god (lets just call them wishful thinker, for the most part) Atheist One who believes there isnt a divine creator (not one who is the opposite of organized religion)

I guess i have to give this to you, you are arguing on a flash website so its not like it really matters but these are your opinions? You should learn some background before debating about the existance of god (eg. epistemology and common arguemnts for god (eg. god by design) ) Just read kids and you will actually have something insightful to say.

Sidenote im not trying to be mean but honestly dont debate shit you dont have fundamentals in because you have nothing to build arguments with.

At 2/19/04 11:58 PM, -redskunk- wrote: I hate how trendy it is to be athiests all of a sudden. And how smug they are in their conviction that god doesn't exist. Wild.

mike pats redskunk on back he makes a valid point. ah now i can rest easy. to elaborate god has not been proven nor disproven so its up to various methods to determine your factor of belief. I dont want to go into it but i shall. id say my belief in god is at about a .35 saying i think there is approximately a 35% chance that god does in fact exist.

E = event
P = probability
EV = event value (if you infact beleive it)

Ill quickly use pascals wager on this. P(E)*EV = possibility of existance times value of existance (meaning if i belief and go to heaven how would i quantify that) well obiously thats infinately good but for god not existing its .65 for P(E) and for EV well i consider finding truth to be the highest good on earth so that is assigned infinity same as in the case of heaven. It would be better to say that both are equal.

as EV approaches infinty we take its limit at infinity and see if they are equal, in the case of my belief the argument against god wins over because it reaches infinity faster given it is multiplied by .65 instead of .35. You can insert whatever you want as far as your criterion for the value you place in EV in each circumstance and that should give you something intelligable and non-contradictory to your belief system to believe in.

I know pascal isnt that bright and i made it a little different then his actual argument (which was an argument for god). But screw prudential arguments right......................

i wont tell you what i consider myself in relation to theism

Mike, that post was really confusing. Could you sum it up?

hu created the earth God did of course how else it couldn't just pop up from nowhere

At 2/20/04 07:21 AM, wickedhamo wrote: hu created the earth God did of course how else it couldn't just pop up from nowhere

Who created God? He couldn't just pop up from nowhere.

At 2/20/04 07:21 AM, wickedhamo wrote: hu created the earth God did of course how else it couldn't just pop up from nowhere

Futile, uneducated, moronic point. And just a single point at that.

Have you ever heard about the guy who argued his belief in the existence of God by saying if you found a pocketwatch in the middle of a field, in mint condition you would have to think that something must've made it, and it couldn't have just come from nowhere. WRONG!

Ok, here goes. Simple way to sum up the creation of Earth: Big Bang happened, small galaxies started to appear. Slowly but surely, bigger ones appeared. A lot later on, along came our galaxy, the Milky Way and surely enough, a little later on our solar system appeared. Then, finally, the Earth appears and the process from start up until the point where we are at now occurs. Consider this point. Billions of galaxies appeared before our one, each with a seemingly infinite number of planets, one of which is ours, and within ours is billions of planets. Our nearest planet has many similarities to Earth, water will probably be discovered on it. If Mars was in the same solar orbit as our planet it would probably be nearly identical. On this assumption you could say there are 2 planets in just one solar system that are Earth-like out of 9. If you use the ratio of 2:7 planets that are Earth-like throughout the whole universe there must be an endless amount of planets similar to Earth.

Even if the assumptions I made are proven not to be correct you still have to consider how developed the theory of evolution is. There are no parts in the pattern that are missing and even if there was it would not be crucial, it would just be that they weren't discovered or something along those lines.

Even if all that is proven also wrong, look at it this way. Science may not always be right, what makes you so sure Christianity is the right way? The Bible is contradictory for the majority of it and seems to have been written by a few stoners over a bucket for half of it. There is now more reason than ever to believe a lot of the content of the New Testament isn't true either.

You're religion has been opressive an evil for most of the time since it's creation. People may complain about Christian persecution but maybe you should stop for a second and see the Christian persecutors and don't act like there is/have been none.

Have I not yet given you enough points?