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At 9/14/09 08:37 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Truth

This man speaks the truth.

What does being a homosexual water-dwelling creature have to to with being racist?

At 9/14/09 08:51 PM, LBRocker wrote: What does being a homosexual water-dwelling creature have to to with being racist?

What does referencing an unfunny television show have to do with posting in a forum?

At 9/13/09 10:12 PM, kikomannnn wrote:

At 9/13/09 10:06 PM, Lagatag wrote: His music is pretty shitty as well.

what an ignorant statement.

Have you heard College DropOut? Late Redistration? Graduation?

Have you heard his productions for other artists? H to the Izzo? Get By by Talib Kweli? This Way by Dialated Peoples?

Of course not. Because you don't know what you're talking about. End.

I hear those songs every fucking day. My roommate loves Kanye so much he would suck Kanye's dick. I hate his music. It's called an opinion.

At 9/14/09 07:08 PM, kikomannnn wrote:

Average Producer? Listen to Jesus Walks. Listen to the production on that song. Kanye used a talk box, fucking choir, a casio synthesizer from the 80's and a drum machine. That is not average, for hiphop that is ground breaking.

Talk boxes and drum machines are actually not that uncommon for hip-hop, and neither are synthesizers. Choirs are also nothing new in music of any genre. Just throwing in a bunch of different tool into producing a song does not make it good.

He's is only "good" as a producer in the sense that he knows how to find and swipe good music samples to take and use as a song's foundation and in finding someone else with some kind of talent to do accompanying vocals to help those songs not look shitty by taking the focus off of his own horrible "rapping".

God....you really have no idea what you're talking about lol.

Sampling other people's work isn't as easy as pressing a button. You have to have extensive knowledge of either software or hardware. You try sampling and making a beat like Kanye's if it's so easy. After that, you have to be able to work with session musicians and tell them what idea you're trying to convey. You think all of Kanye's work is sampled? Of course, because you're a moron.

Have you ever even heard GOOD sampling? Sampling is nothing new in the industry, Kanye shouldn't be praised for utilizing an already too-often used technique, and the fact that Kanye relies on it for half his fucking song catalogue is a crutch, not an achievement. A good chunk of the beats he makes are sampled already. It is NOT HARD to make a SIMPLE BEAT. ANY MUSICIAN WORTH AN OUNCE OF THEIR OWN SHIT CAN COME UP WITH A DECENT BEAT.

You want good sampling? Try the band The Avalanches, they made an album called Since I Left You. They made the songs in it using samples from about 3,500 different vinyl albums. Now THAT is impressive and complicated sampling. Kanye has nowhere near that kind of prowess when it comes to assembling sample-based music.

Not to mention an engineer. And did I mention he has to pay royalties to those artists he sampled? So how is he stealing, you stupid fuck?

I don't recall saying he was a thief, but paying royalties really makes no difference to me at all. He shouldn't be praised for sourcing where he obtained his samples, that should be considered common practice.

You make me laugh.

Kanye is a douchebag, and you're an idiot.

If I'M the idiot, then how come YOU'RE the one who listens to Kanye West?

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN

At 9/14/09 08:53 PM, Cericon wrote:

At 9/14/09 08:51 PM, LBRocker wrote: What does being a homosexual water-dwelling creature have to to with being racist?

What does referencing an unfunny television show have to do with posting in a forum?

South Park is funny, you suck at life.

Yeah, what he did was dumb and he's probably a racist the way you put it, but as for his ego, he was speaking out for Beyonce, not himself. Still dumb, but not as dumb.

At 9/14/09 08:39 PM, cast wrote: Someone needs to bash his head in with a wooden bat.

Because that would really make that person, and anyone who supports him, better than Kayne. What a black and white solution, if you will.

At 9/13/09 10:04 PM, ryanboy8 wrote: No one cares for Taylor Swift exept a bunch of low-life 7 year olds.

No one cares for Kanye West except for.... well, fuck, does anybody give a shit about him?

At 9/14/09 08:59 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

Talk boxes and drum machines are actually not that uncommon for hip-hop, and neither are synthesizers. Choirs are also nothing new in music of any genre. Just throwing in a bunch of different tool into producing a song does not make it good.

For hiphop, it's pretty uncommon to hear a blend or break beat drums, a singing choir, a talk box (not autotune) all meshed together on a top 40 pop hit. Oh, and in 2004, when most rap was dominated by traditional dance songs and party music. And, it is good, you're just stubborn.

Have you ever even heard GOOD sampling? Sampling is nothing new in the industry, Kanye shouldn't be praised for utilizing an already too-often used technique, and the fact that Kanye relies on it for half his fucking song catalogue is a crutch, not an achievement. A good chunk of the beats he makes are sampled already. It is NOT HARD to make a SIMPLE BEAT. ANY MUSICIAN WORTH AN OUNCE OF THEIR OWN SHIT CAN COME UP WITH A DECENT BEAT.

...the fuck? First you say sampling is crap, then you tell me to listen to an example of good sampling? That is the most retarded logic I have ever heard.

You want good sampling? Try the band The Avalanches, they made an album called Since I Left You. They made the songs in it using samples from about 3,500 different vinyl albums blah blah I'm cool cause I listen to alternative snobby shit

Kanye West is good at sampling. This is not an opinion, this is fact. He can create a well structured song out of a sampled portion and overdub it with instruments.

If anything, a band that samples 3,500 different vinyl records sounds like they're using a FAT crutch to me, not to mention a sound that is completely overdone and unnecessary. What would you prefer, a musician who only samples (a technique which you claimed to hate) or a musician who uses some sampling and plays keyboard lines, programs drum machines and directs musicians on top of that sample? Neither, because you're a stubborn piece of shit who is back peddaling over his own words. Fucking lol.

Not to mention an engineer. And did I mention he has to pay royalties to those artists he sampled? So how is he stealing, you stupid fuck?

I don't recall saying he was a thief, but paying royalties really makes no difference to me at all. He shouldn't be praised for sourcing where he obtained his samples, that should be considered common practice.

This doesn't make sense now that you claim to acknowledge that there are good examples of sampling so I'm just going to ignore it.

You make me laugh.

Kanye is a douchebag, and you're an idiot.

If I'M the idiot, then how come YOU'RE the one who listens to Kanye West?

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN

It is not a burn just because you want it to be a burn, pumpkin.

At 9/14/09 09:45 PM, kikomannnn wrote:

At 9/14/09 08:59 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

Talk boxes and drum machines are actually not that uncommon for hip-hop, and neither are synthesizers. Choirs are also nothing new in music of any genre. Just throwing in a bunch of different tool into producing a song does not make it good.

For hiphop, it's pretty uncommon to hear a blend or break beat drums, a singing choir, a talk box (not autotune) all meshed together on a top 40 pop hit.

That doesn't make it GOOD, it makes it DIFFERENT.

Oh, and in 2004, when most rap was dominated by traditional dance songs and party music. And, it is good, you're just stubborn.

So, because Kanye West came out with something that was good compared to utter shit, Kanye is suddenly good in general? I don't think so. ANYTHING looks good next to shit. And no, I will NOT say that it is good under any circumstances. It is garbage. Honestly, there are much better hip-hop artists out there, as shitty as hip-hop is as a genre right now. I have heard enough Kanye to make a valid decision about whether it is good or not, and my opinion is very much sold on the belief that his music is fucking boring and unremarkable.

Have you ever even heard GOOD sampling? Sampling is nothing new in the industry, Kanye shouldn't be praised for utilizing an already too-often used technique, and the fact that Kanye relies on it for half his fucking song catalogue is a crutch, not an achievement. A good chunk of the beats he makes are sampled already. It is NOT HARD to make a SIMPLE BEAT. ANY MUSICIAN WORTH AN OUNCE OF THEIR OWN SHIT CAN COME UP WITH A DECENT BEAT.

...the fuck? First you say sampling is crap, then you tell me to listen to an example of good sampling? That is the most retarded logic I have ever heard.

Sampling a bass line and 2 lines of lyrics over a drum machine and Kanye West trying to perform is the kind of sampling I was referring to. That is the most common and easily arranged type of sampling that is around. Kanye West didn't pioneer anything at all.

However, when you take thousands of records and take bites from them to arrange several coherent and good sounding songs that sound absolutely seamless is an entirely different matter.

You want good sampling? Try the band The Avalanches, they made an album called Since I Left You. They made the songs in it using samples from about 3,500 different vinyl albums blah blah I'm cool cause I listen to alternative snobby shit

Kanye West is good at sampling. This is not an opinion, this is fact. He can create a well structured song out of a sampled portion and overdub it with instruments.

I still don't understand why you think this makes him good. That is the industry standard at the moment. Any hip hop producer can make a structured song with a couple samples and some extra orchestration. Of course Kanye can do that, thousands of people can, and they can do it better and without having egos the size of the Hindenburg.

If anything, a band that samples 3,500 different vinyl records sounds like they're using a FAT crutch to me, not to mention a sound that is completely overdone and unnecessary. What would you prefer, a musician who only samples (a technique which you claimed to hate) or a musician who uses some sampling and plays keyboard lines, programs drum machines and directs musicians on top of that sample? Neither, because you're a stubborn piece of shit who is back peddaling over his own words. Fucking lol.

Listen to this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26b X0
Frontier Psychiatrist by The Avalanches. Virtually all of it is built from samples. Listen to that and tell me that it doesn't sound good.
BY using only samples, the Avalanches are actually making a challenge for themselves. You yourself said that it was hard to arrange samples, and you were talking about the way Kanye does it, with only a few pieces of sampled tracks. The Avalanches utterly outdo him on the scale of complexity, and they even sound better. If you think that Kanye's sampling is impressive, then there's no way that you could deny that the song I just posted is mind-blowing.

You seem to be under the impression that Kanye is doing something that no one else in hip-hop has ever done before, and that's just not true. Leading an orchestra is something I would expect a musician/producer to be able to do if he wants to keep his job.

Not to mention an engineer. And did I mention he has to pay royalties to those artists he sampled? So how is he stealing, you stupid fuck?

I don't recall saying he was a thief, but paying royalties really makes no difference to me at all. He shouldn't be praised for sourcing where he obtained his samples, that should be considered common practice.

This doesn't make sense now that you claim to acknowledge that there are good examples of sampling so I'm just going to ignore it.

I was referring to sampling as used by modern hip-hop artists.

At 9/13/09 10:02 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:

. And then of course there was that whole thing with George W. Bush where at a fund for support in the Katrina Disaster he turns it into a political situtation and randomly says "George Bush doesn't care about black people". My personal opinion is that if a white guy had done the same things but reversed it he would have been called a racist and had to of gone on a bunch of news and late night shows to apologize publicly before the black community could even begin to forgive him.

That was great what he did. Comedy gold, it was. But I don't understand how "Black president doesn't care about white people" translates into "I'marasictforgivemeblackpeople."

I loathe Kanye West for shitting all over Daft Punk.

I seriously will be glad when he dies. Hopefully violently.

At 9/14/09 10:05 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

So, because Kanye West came out with something that was good compared to utter shit, Kanye is suddenly good in general? I don't think so. ANYTHING looks good next to shit. And no, I will NOT say that it is good under any circumstances. It is garbage. Honestly, there are much better hip-hop artists out there, as shitty as hip-hop is as a genre right now. I have heard enough Kanye to make a valid decision about whether it is good or not, and my opinion is very much sold on the belief that his music is fucking boring and unremarkable.

I really can't have a civilized discussion with you because you have such a vehement distaste for any rap that isn't Necro or whatever god awful back backer shit you listen to. Ignoring this.

Sampling a bass line and 2 lines of lyrics over a drum machine and Kanye West trying to perform is the kind of sampling I was referring to. That is the most common and easily arranged type of sampling that is around. Kanye West didn't pioneer anything at all.

At this time, no one was combining those type of sounds and getting it played on mainstream radio. So no, Kanye is not the fucking messiah of rap trends, but he made exceptional music at the time.

However, when you take thousands of records and take bites from them to arrange several coherent and good sounding songs that sound absolutely seamless is an entirely different matter.

Opinions. They're fun to have aren't they?

Kanye West is good at sampling. This is not an opinion, this is fact. He can create a well structured song out of a sampled portion and overdub it with instruments.

I still don't understand why you think this makes him good. That is the industry standard at the moment. Any hip hop producer can make a structured song with a couple samples and some extra orchestration. Of course Kanye can do that, thousands of people can, and they can do it better and without having egos the size of the Hindenburg.

You need to separate his personality from his music. Yes, Kanye is a douchebag. I AGREE WITH YOU. But if thousands of people can do what he's doing, why aren't they? Why aren't they making tracks like H to the Izzo, Flashing Lights, Good Life? He happens to be the guy doing it, and these tracks are examples of good production in hip hop. If you don't like it, then I'm sorry lol. Cry me a fucking river.

BY using only samples, the Avalanches are actually making a challenge for themselves. You yourself said that it was hard to arrange samples, and you were talking about the way Kanye does it, with only a few pieces of sampled tracks. The Avalanches utterly outdo him on the scale of complexity, and they even sound better. If you think that Kanye's sampling is impressive, then there's no way that you could deny that the song I just posted is mind-blowing.

it sounds lovely. Too bad it's not hip hop. When you compare two different genres, it's fun to make retarded comparisons. Jimmi Hendrix and Rakim are compared. OMG HENDRIX can do it WAY bEDDur! Two different genres, both are quality examples of skill in their respective genres...

You seem to be under the impression that Kanye is doing something that no one else in hip-hop has ever done before, and that's just not true. Leading an orchestra is something I would expect a musician/producer to be able to do if he wants to keep his job.

Really. Because I never said that Kanye was the first producer to use live musicians and orchestras and what not. I just said he's good at what he does, because he is, and you are trying to base your opinion as fact. That's why this debate will never end.

I don't recall saying he was a thief, but paying royalties really makes no difference to me at all. He shouldn't be praised for sourcing where he obtained his samples, that should be considered common practice.

This doesn't make sense now that you claim to acknowledge that there are good examples of sampling so I'm just going to ignore it.

I was referring to sampling as used by modern hip-hop artists.

cool man!

At 9/14/09 10:21 PM, kikomannnn wrote:

I really can't have a civilized discussion with you because you have such a vehement distaste for any rap that isn't Necro or whatever god awful back backer shit you listen to. Ignoring this.

I don't even know what necro-rap is, and I'm pretty sure I would never listen to it. I also don't like rap in general, yeah, but I don't mind some rap. I respect rappers like the Rza, Busta Rhymes, Chali 2na, and some others. They have some okay stuff. Generally, older rap is superior to the stuff that plays on the radio these days.

Regardless, I'm talking about Kanye relative to other rap and hip-hop. I'm not saying that Kanye is shit because it's rap, I'm saying he's shit because he is shit even within his genre.

Sampling a bass line and 2 lines of lyrics over a drum machine and Kanye West trying to perform is the kind of sampling I was referring to. That is the most common and easily arranged type of sampling that is around. Kanye West didn't pioneer anything at all.

At this time, no one was combining those type of sounds and getting it played on mainstream radio. So no, Kanye is not the fucking messiah of rap trends, but he made exceptional music at the time.

If by that you mean he made music that was better than his competition when it came out, then that's just not saying a whole lot. You even said earlier that the genre was flooded with shitty dance garbage, and that's all Kanye had to compete with. I'm sure that if you took that as a still frame in the context of music and put Kanye's stuff next to the other stuff, then yeah, he'd probably seem god, but when you compare him to other musicians and producers within the same genre from earlier/later times, he just doesn't stand out nearly as much.

However, when you take thousands of records and take bites from them to arrange several coherent and good sounding songs that sound absolutely seamless is an entirely different matter.

Opinions. They're fun to have aren't they?

Kanye West is good at sampling. This is not an opinion, this is fact. He can create a well structured song out of a sampled portion and overdub it with instruments.

I still don't understand why you think this makes him good. That is the industry standard at the moment. Any hip hop producer can make a structured song with a couple samples and some extra orchestration. Of course Kanye can do that, thousands of people can, and they can do it better and without having egos the size of the Hindenburg.

You need to separate his personality from his music. Yes, Kanye is a douchebag. I AGREE WITH YOU. But if thousands of people can do what he's doing, why aren't they? Why aren't they making tracks like H to the Izzo, Flashing Lights, Good Life? He happens to be the guy doing it, and these tracks are examples of good production in hip hop. If you don't like it, then I'm sorry lol. Cry me a fucking river.

Flashing lights is the only Kanye song that has a beat that I will admit I enjoy. However, as soon as Kanye's voice is audible, the song goes downhill from there. He managed to ruin his own song just by being in it. If he would just stop doing his shitty fucking vocals and work for someone else who had actual vocal talent, then maybe I'd consider listening to his work, even though I find his music really simple by means of production, rhythm modes, instrumentals, etc. when compared to the music that I actually enjoy listening to. But no, that's not the case, so his average skills as a producer are overshadowed by his insistence upon doing the vocals, which make his music very unpleasant to listen to.

BY using only samples, the Avalanches are actually making a challenge for themselves. You yourself said that it was hard to arrange samples, and you were talking about the way Kanye does it, with only a few pieces of sampled tracks. The Avalanches utterly outdo him on the scale of complexity, and they even sound better. If you think that Kanye's sampling is impressive, then there's no way that you could deny that the song I just posted is mind-blowing.

it sounds lovely. Too bad it's not hip hop. When you compare two different genres, it's fun to make retarded comparisons. Jimmi Hendrix and Rakim are compared. OMG HENDRIX can do it WAY bEDDur! Two different genres, both are quality examples of skill in their respective genres...

I'm not talking about this in respect to GENRE, you dumb shit, I'm talking about the technique of SAMPLING as a music feature, which both Kanye and The Avalanches obviously are both involved in. Genre has nothing to do with it.

You seem to be under the impression that Kanye is doing something that no one else in hip-hop has ever done before, and that's just not true. Leading an orchestra is something I would expect a musician/producer to be able to do if he wants to keep his job.

Really. Because I never said that Kanye was the first producer to use live musicians and orchestras and what not. I just said he's good at what he does, because he is, and you are trying to base your opinion as fact. That's why this debate will never end.

And yet you just said

I just said he's good at what he does, because he is

as if it were fact, making you no better than I am.

I don't recall saying he was a thief, but paying royalties really makes no difference to me at all. He shouldn't be praised for sourcing where he obtained his samples, that should be considered common practice.

This doesn't make sense now that you claim to acknowledge that there are good examples of sampling so I'm just going to ignore it.

I was referring to sampling as used by modern hip-hop artists.

cool man!

yep it was such a dousche thing to do he cant stand new upcoming artists especially since they are younger and white.

xdddddd gai fish

Yeah, Kayne fucked up once again. Extremely disrespectful to Taylor Swift. Pretty embarrassing. Even Beyonce was like "....wft...."

Kanye west is an amazing producer.

He samples yes, but sampling is a very hard to do. You need to kno what sounds right, and manipulate it to make it your own.

Kanye West is a horrible rapper.

He raps about being famous and being angry about people liking him. He is a bitch that wants fame and fortune without being flooded with fans.

IMO i hate how he makes money off his religion. Thats why i hate christian rock bands.

He as a human and lyricist is a piece of shit.

As a producer amazing.

I hate him tho, no matter how well he produces. Faggot....

Further proof he's a muthafuckin gay fish

At 9/14/09 08:37 PM, SevenSeize wrote: i'm a sexy bitch

let me touch your body naked

At 9/14/09 10:09 PM, bettermetalbutter wrote: That was great what he did. Comedy gold, it was. But I don't understand how "Black president doesn't care about white people" translates into "I'marasictforgivemeblackpeople."

It doesn't really. It was an example of numerous others that Kanye has abused his time on air unfairly bring race into the topic at hand.

At 9/14/09 07:05 PM, tarahloveshentai wrote: His apology:

CAPS LOCK = IM 4 REAL SRY LOL SRSLY!

At 9/13/09 10:09 PM, H-K-S wrote: My reaction:

I laughed way too hard...

Kanye West is just a dumbass who's pissed because hardly anybody likes his stupid-ass songs, so he has to make a spectacle of his dumbass self by ruining other people's moment of glory that they'll probably never have again.

Can someone give me a link, it's like Viacom has removed the entire internet.

He's just a giant douche here's a little video I made celebrating his douchness Kanye Wins Biggest Douche in the Universe

At 9/13/09 10:03 PM, PhyroDragon wrote: The real question is: Is he a gay fish?

ROFL, SECOND FUCKING REPLY AND I AM FUCKING ROFLING!

Good to see so many people love that man god Kanye West since he's just so damn awesome any insults become compliments as soon as they are applied to him.

Man I love Kanye.

At 9/13/09 10:25 PM, DragonFyre9 wrote: That was my first thought.

Mother fuckin' gay fish.

I am aroused by those sexy spandex pants he is wearing.

I like a few of Kanye West's songs, but he's just an asshole. I heard he was trying to "sit on Michael Jackson's throne", how the HELL can that happen? He can't even get NEAR Michael's throne if he keeps on dreaming like this.