Forum Topic: Thrash Metal Needs To Evolve!

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THIS THREAD IS FOR METALHEADS ONLY!

You may or may not have seen this thread I made a few weeks ago.

Basically every single notable thrash metal band ever made was mentioned in that thread.

But i've realized something.

PROGRESSIVE thrash metal - Needs to happen.

Some of Dream theater and Symphony X's progressive metal stuff has sort of thrashie sound to it, BUT NOT ANYWHERE THRASHIE ENOUGH!

And yeah, some of Megadeth, Nevermore and Murdered by Death's thrash metal stuff has sort of progie sound to it, BUT NOT ANYWHERE PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH!

Their NEEDS to be a band like this: Brutally fast guitars, bass and drums, angry and violent lyrics, NASTY guitar solos and an atmosphere that makes you want to KILL - All just like thrash metal, AND: Really technical instrumental, complex lyrics, short melodic acoustic breaks here and there AND the songs must be looooooooooong, with at least one 20+ minute long song per album.

What also needs to happen?

SYMPHONIC thrash metal - As Symphony X proves(yes, I realize it's a naruto amv), keyboards CAN be very well used in thrash metal without the band being posers and/or pussies and actually have it ADD to the atmosphere greatly.

Their NEEDS to be a band like this: All the thrash elements I said earlier AND: A Female singer with a death metal vocalist on backing vocals, keyboards(But used in a GOOD way), lyrics with meaning and the guitars, bass and drums must all have a melodic and symphonic sort of feel among them, while still being fast and brutal.

What also needs to happen?

POWER thrash metal - Blind Guardian, Grave Digger, Helloween, and basically every other power metal band, at least once, have all proved that they can be dark and brutal.

Why can't they combine power metal and thrash metal? Brutal and fast drums + bass like Thrash metal, rhythmical and complex like power metal. Lyrics can be violent and angry but also fantasy influenced and with melodic harmonious sort of chorus. Falsetto vocals that are really angry sounding or thrash metal vocals that are sort of high pitched? Etc.

The reason thrash metal died in the 90's is because all of the most famous thrash bands(Metallica, Anthrax, Kreator(Sort of), exodus, etc) all sold out, and when that happened all that were left were the lesser famous thrash bands - but since their style was little different from the originals they didn't become famous and the genre became unpopular for being generic and whatnot.

These days thrash bands like Kreator and Exodus are BACKwith their roots.

What else? New thrash metal bands, THAT ARE BECOMING SUCCESSFUL ALREADY. Bonded By Blood, Evile, Warbringer, Mantic Ritual, Gama Bomb, Warpath, Thrash Or Die, etc, etc.

Thrash metal is coming back in popularity these past 5 or so years and many new bands are appearing.

Why don't they expand their empire of metal by evolving their styles?

I don't know, my fellow metal heads - Discuss.

And remember, don't argue - We're Bonded By Blood

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you should try paying more attention to bands, and not genres >.>

it will be a lot easier to find the sound your looking for

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At 9/8/09 01:17 AM, ELITE-101 wrote: you should try paying more attention to bands, and not genres >.>

Oh I do.

But I mean, if bands don't have genres to be labeled by then how would you find similar bands?

It's easier to find bands that are one or two genres, it's finding bands that fuse genres that becomes the problem really.

But yeah, i've never said a band sucked or rocked just because of it's genre.

Besides Metalcore, which all sucks.

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yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys

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I may not be a metalhead, but I can talk Progressive and Theory.

Listen, we're practically in the Dark Ages of Music. Nothing is going to change anytime soon due to the whole culture not wanting to change. If you want to do something about it, then grab your guitar and do something about it.

Us psychedelic-progressive rockers will be there up with you, but we're going to push as much as you fucks.

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But yeah, i've never said a band sucked or rocked just because of it's genre.

oh sry from what i read it was coming off like you only cared for the genre, but then again im more a person that likes to stay with underground bands so genre is something i dont even pay attention to

Besides Metalcore, which all sucks.

and yah, i have to agree there

also i have to throw this out, anyone who hard core dances if a douche and needs to die

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At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, MadCow wrote: yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys

slipknot = nu metal
korn = well, i think nu metal as well, if their aren't they're not death anyways

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At 9/8/09 01:19 AM, AniMetal wrote:
But yeah, i've never said a band sucked or rocked just because of it's genre.

Besides Metalcore, which all sucks.

Dont forget it's subset, deathcore. Bring me the horizon is the worst band ever.

And yes, it should evolve. Though wishful thinking gets you nowwhere. Act on it. I guess, make your own band, or if you have one, add that sound you want to it.

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At 9/8/09 01:21 AM, ELITE-101 wrote: oh sry from what i read it was coming off like you only cared for the genre, but then again im more a person that likes to stay with underground bands so genre is something i dont even pay attention to

I think famous bands can be great(Opeth, Blind Guardian, etc)

But generally, I prefer underground bands as well.


also i have to throw this out, anyone who hard core dances if a douche and needs to die

Seconded.

At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, igott wrote: If you want to do something about it, then grab your guitar and do something about it.

It's very easy to say this to someone who plays an instrument.

It's much easier said than done when you say to someone with little to no music talent. :(

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At 9/8/09 01:17 AM, ELITE-101 wrote: you should try paying more attention to bands, and not genres >.>

it will be a lot easier to find the sound your looking for

You should try paying more attention to music in general.


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At 9/8/09 01:23 AM, ELITE-101 wrote: slipknot = nu metal
korn = well, i think nu metal as well, if their aren't they're not death anyways

I think he was joking.

At 9/8/09 01:24 AM, theshadowwolf wrote: Dont forget it's subset, deathcore.

Nah, Deathcore has A LOT of suckish bands, but their ARE SOME decent bands in there - You just need to look.

Unlike metalcore, where every band sucks.

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At 9/8/09 01:23 AM, ELITE-101 wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, MadCow wrote: yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys
slipknot = nu metal
korn = well, i think nu metal as well, if their aren't they're not death anyways

um.... wat the fuck do you know about anything?? go back to listening to lil wayne u fucking wigger...

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At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, igott wrote: If you want to do something about it, then grab your guitar and do something about it.
It's very easy to say this to someone who plays an instrument.

It's much easier said than done when you say to someone with little to no music talent. :(

I'm no Roger Waters or Paul McCartney, but I'm not Sid Vicious. Why? Because with enough hard work, you get it. Play the keyboards first, then every instrument, inculding the sitar (Death Sitar solos sounds like an awesome idea.), will be simple to learn.

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At 9/8/09 01:26 AM, MadCow wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:23 AM, ELITE-101 wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, MadCow wrote: yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys
slipknot = nu metal
korn = well, i think nu metal as well, if their aren't they're not death anyways
um.... wat the fuck do you know about anything?? go back to listening to lil wayne u fucking wigger...

i know the death metal talks about death, dieing, and killing
example: cannabal corpse relearn what death metal is

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Yeah I remember that thread you made. One of the bands I suggested is a bit of a progressive thrash band. They're called Gojira. Check them out. Personally, I only like their very thrashy songs. I'm not much a fan of progressive.

Oh and if you want something new. Check these guys out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVg2qGF0 B4 it's something I've never heard of done before!

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At 9/8/09 01:30 AM, ELITE-101 wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:26 AM, MadCow wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:23 AM, ELITE-101 wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, MadCow wrote: yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys
slipknot = nu metal
korn = well, i think nu metal as well, if their aren't they're not death anyways
um.... wat the fuck do you know about anything?? go back to listening to lil wayne u fucking wigger...
i know the death metal talks about death, dieing, and killing
example: cannabal corpse relearn what death metal is

cannabal corpse? are you joking, you probably just made that up that hella doesnt sound like a real band! i mean pardon my french but wut the **** are you smoking (wutever it is I WANT SOME)!

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At 9/8/09 01:41 AM, MadCow wrote: cannabal corpse? are you joking, you probably just made that up that hella doesnt sound like a real band! i mean pardon my french but wut the **** are you smoking (wutever it is I WANT SOME)!

lol, why you being such a bitch towards this guy?

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MadCow, I can see you trollin'.

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At 9/8/09 01:44 AM, SNIPER wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:41 AM, MadCow wrote: cannabal corpse? are you joking, you probably just made that up that hella doesnt sound like a real band! i mean pardon my french but wut the **** are you smoking (wutever it is I WANT SOME)!
lol, why you being such a bitch towards this guy?

cuz this lil niga right herr keeps it real & i be to legit too quit

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cannabal corpse? are you joking, you probably just made that up that hella doesnt sound like a real band! i mean pardon my french but wut the **** are you smoking (wutever it is I WANT SOME)!

i'm hoping your not a troll *sigh*

cannibal corpse is a real band, they are one of the most well known death metal bands out there, which is why i think youre trolling cause no self respecting metalhead wouldnt know who they are

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At 9/8/09 01:35 AM, SNIPER wrote: Yeah I remember that thread you made. One of the bands I suggested is a bit of a progressive thrash band. They're called Gojira. Check them out. Personally, I only like their very thrashy songs. I'm not much a fan of progressive.

Oh and if you want something new. Check these guys out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVg2qGF0 B4 it's something I've never heard of done before!

Gojira are incredible. Also, I've never understood the fascination with Bonded by Blood. I think their new stuff with Dukes is miles better.

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At 9/8/09 01:50 AM, RobHalford wrote: Gojira are incredible. Also, I've never understood the fascination with Bonded by Blood. I think their new stuff with Dukes is miles better.

Instrumentally - YES.
Quality wise - YES.
Lyrically - More meaningful, less thrashie
Vocals - NO.

Bonded By Blood was a masterpiece.

There new stuff is good too but the singer sucks and the music doesn't make you want to mosh anywhere nearly as much.

At 9/8/09 01:35 AM, SNIPER wrote: They're called Gojira. Check them out. Personally, I only like their very thrashy songs. I'm not much a fan of progressive.

Good band, saw them last year with In Flames.

great stuff, never really thought of it as thrash metal though. Oh well, opinions. :3


Oh and if you want something new. Check these guys out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVg2qGF0 B4 it's something I've never heard of done before!

Nice, checking these guys out!

At 9/8/09 01:30 AM, ELITE-101 wrote: example: cannabal corpse relearn what death metal is

Yeah they're death metal, but they suck.

Go listen to Death, Atheist and Opeth instead.

At 9/8/09 01:29 AM, igott wrote: I'm no Roger Waters or Paul McCartney, but I'm not Sid Vicious. Why? Because with enough hard work, you get it. Play the keyboards first, then every instrument, inculding the sitar (Death Sitar solos sounds like an awesome idea.), will be simple to learn.

The problem isn't what you'd expect.

It's not that I don't care, it's not that I don't have the time, it's that I have one arm - I have little money for all that stuff.

Hints for an average teenager to get money for such a thing?

If you just say "Get a job" i'll rape you.

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At 9/8/09 01:56 AM, AniMetal wrote:
At 9/8/09 01:29 AM, igott wrote: I'm no Roger Waters or Paul McCartney, but I'm not Sid Vicious. Why? Because with enough hard work, you get it. Play the keyboards first, then every instrument, inculding the sitar (Death Sitar solos sounds like an awesome idea.), will be simple to learn.
Hints for an average teenager to get money for such a thing?

If you just say "Get a job" i'll rape you.

Well, I am not going to say get a job, but it is a possibility.

Just wish for a guitar for Christmas.

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Trash + Progressive = Dividing by 0

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At 9/8/09 02:10 AM, igott wrote: Well, I am not going to say get a job, but it is a possibility.

What I meant was, I would get a job but i'd need advice as to where to look and whatnot.


Just wish for a guitar for Christmas.

I wish life was that simple, you know?

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At 9/8/09 01:20 AM, MadCow wrote: yeh ok pal, i only listen to real death metal like slipknot & korn. thrash is for pussys

yeh mang thrash is gay i only listen to cool stuff like greenday :)

This is a song about cum on hotel walls. - Fippity-fap-fipfap. Bonus fap.

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What we need is Metallica to stop trying to reinvent themselves and play what they are good at!

Forgive me, I love Metallica.

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I don't know really any Prog. Thrash, but I know a few Prog. Death Metal Bands like Necrophagist and Amorphis. Amorphis also have some power metal influences in their most recent release.


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At 9/8/09 03:34 AM, WarteryMind wrote: What we need is Metallica to stop trying to reinvent themselves and play what they are good at!
Forgive me, I love Metallica.

Yeah, Metallica were way better back then.

But really, they're old, and they're probably never gonna sound as good as they did in Kill 'Em All or Master Of Puppets.


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At 9/8/09 01:19 AM, AniMetal wrote:
Besides Metalcore, which all sucks.

Besides the fact that its redundant to hate a whole genre (or sub-genre). At least it comes off as a genre that's evolved and meshed well with other genres rather than staying the same.

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