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I said that in school a few days ago.

I swear if he isn't.

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He was one of the River folk! They're very similar to hobbits, but there are noticable differences, like the increased reliance on fishing and slight height differences.


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I always thought he was an alien from Jupiter...
You have crumbled my world!!
I can't see no difference...They both got rotten teeth

Smeagol better be a hobbit.

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At 9/4/09 08:05 AM, CryogenChaos wrote: He was one of the River folk! They're very similar to hobbits, but there are noticable differences, like the increased reliance on fishing and slight height differences.

Similar, but legally distinct, including slight webbing of the toes, since they need to be quite adept at swimming.

I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

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At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote:
Similar, but legally distinct, including slight webbing of the toes, since they need to be quite adept at swimming.

I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

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At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:05 AM, CryogenChaos wrote: He was one of the River folk! They're very similar to hobbits, but there are noticable differences, like the increased reliance on fishing and slight height differences.
Similar, but legally distinct, including slight webbing of the toes, since they need to be quite adept at swimming.

I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

I'm only just now getting around to reading Tolkien's work, but I'm having to study it a fair bit at uni, and, while I've only read through about 2/3 of the Hobbit, I've read a fair bit of non-fiction regarding Tolkien's work within the fantasy genre, and I must say that that this distinction would be a very deliberate decision as an expansion upon the Middle Earth universe, part of its background/mythoogy and all that jazz. He was a genius, and even reading bits and pieces of his non-fiction, he was a very well learned philologist.


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At 9/4/09 08:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I'm only just now getting around to reading Tolkien's work, but I'm having to study it a fair bit at uni,

If you're looking for additional information, I'd suggest that you start here, as SCD is one of the most learned people on Tolkien that I've ever met.

He was a genius, and even reading bits and pieces of his non-fiction, he was a very well learned philologist.

Oh yeah, the fact that he spent 2-3 years creating the world before he even started on Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit was more of a hobby that he told the tale for his children, which he put down to paper as an afterthought.

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At 9/4/09 08:34 AM, Coop83 wrote:
He was a genius, and even reading bits and pieces of his non-fiction, he was a very well learned philologist.
Oh yeah, the fact that he spent 2-3 years creating the world before he even started on Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit was more of a hobby that he told the tale for his children, which he put down to paper as an afterthought.

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At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote: I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

Gimle was obviously based off a few people he met up North.


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At 9/4/09 08:35 AM, AntarcticBarbecue wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:34 AM, Coop83 wrote:
He was a genius, and even reading bits and pieces of his non-fiction, he was a very well learned philologist.
Oh yeah, the fact that he spent 2-3 years creating the world before he even started on Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit was more of a hobby that he told the tale for his children, which he put down to paper as an afterthought.
This is unbearable

Why? What's wrong with that? Is it a bad thing that an author with a huge idea manages to spawn loads of really good ideas from it?
I don't get what's so unbearable about that.


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At 9/4/09 08:34 AM, Coop83 wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I'm only just now getting around to reading Tolkien's work, but I'm having to study it a fair bit at uni,
If you're looking for additional information, I'd suggest that you start here, as SCD is one of the most learned people on Tolkien that I've ever met.

Cool, thanks. I'll probably give it a bit of a look over a bit later.

He was a genius, and even reading bits and pieces of his non-fiction, he was a very well learned philologist.
Oh yeah, the fact that he spent 2-3 years creating the world before he even started on Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit was more of a hobby that he told the tale for his children, which he put down to paper as an afterthought.

That time and dedication to his own fictional universe is something I deeply admire and something I'd love to aim for in my own writing.


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At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote: I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

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At 9/4/09 08:50 AM, WritersBlock wrote: That time and dedication to his own fictional universe is something I deeply admire and something I'd love to aim for in my own writing.

According to the biography I read The Hobbit wasn't tied to middle earth initially. Tolkien's aim was always to write the Simirilion, not even Lord of the Rings so much. Which is kind of sad because LOTR was the better of the two works in the end, but thats probably because his son worked out the Simirilion in the end from all of the notes his father had left. But, when he sat down to think about what to write next after The Hobbit he started combining the idea of The Hobbit and the idea of the Simirilion and ended up writing Lord of the Rings.

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At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:05 AM, CryogenChaos wrote: He was one of the River folk! They're very similar to hobbits, but there are noticable differences, like the increased reliance on fishing and slight height differences.
Similar, but legally distinct, including slight webbing of the toes, since they need to be quite adept at swimming.

I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.

It's always been my belief that he based them off some of the people he met down here in Wiltshire, we have some strange folk here, too... And that would explain how he came up with "The Shire" ;)

A guy I worked with until very recently left the company to manage a publishing company specialising in Tolkien's works - his dream job. Got a question about Tolkien? He was definitely your guy. It became a kind of taboo subject whenever he was in, because if we mentioned LOTR etc. he'd join in and give great detail. Bless 'im.

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At 9/4/09 08:58 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:50 AM, WritersBlock wrote: That time and dedication to his own fictional universe is something I deeply admire and something I'd love to aim for in my own writing.
According to the biography I read The Hobbit wasn't tied to middle earth initially. Tolkien's aim was always to write the Simirilion, not even Lord of the Rings so much. Which is kind of sad because LOTR was the better of the two works in the end, but thats probably because his son worked out the Simirilion in the end from all of the notes his father had left. But, when he sat down to think about what to write next after The Hobbit he started combining the idea of The Hobbit and the idea of the Simirilion and ended up writing Lord of the Rings.

From what I've read, Tolkien's objective was to create an entire mythology, and, I would say that The Hobbit, whilst originally a bedtime story, became the beginnings of that mythology. As far as Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion goes, they were intended to be two connected volumes, and the Lord of the Rings wasn't meant to be split into three. The idea of the Silmarillion was not to hone in on details and events such as the journey Frodo took to destroy the one ring, but rather to provide a larger, more universal understanding of the world of Middle Earth, such as with the "genesis" passage which opens the book and different ages of middle earth.

We could argue as to his original intentions of the books till the cows come home, but I think when he was finished with the books, they appeared very much as though they had always been planned with the 'bigger picture' in mind.


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At 9/4/09 08:40 AM, DumbassDude wrote:
At 9/4/09 08:25 AM, Coop83 wrote: I think that Tolkien based the se creatures off of some of the people he met, during a trip to Norfolk.
Gimle was obviously based off a few people he met up North.

Oh yeah and Gandalf was based on the time he walked into a retirement centre and some crazy old dude said "You shall not pass!"

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At 9/4/09 07:53 AM, BlammerReviewer wrote: I said that in school a few days ago.

I swear if he isn't.

Jesus christ, you haven't sen lord of the rings? I DONT WANT DESSERT.


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