At 8/17/09 06:30 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:
Who the fuck is George Carlin?Don't play Dumb
I really don't know who he is.
Fine then. Still doesn't change the fact that they haven't survived. I'm weary about taking examples from an ancient, dead culture.
Their death has nothing to do with their culture.
I'd really like to some sort of support that argument. Besides, how are you going to get this past the American People? The same people who created an amendment that forbids "Cruel and Unusual punishment" Idk about you, but i think torturing a CEO for a non-violent offense is pretty cruel. You said they wanted to give the generals the same punishment that wounded troops suffered. Well, a CEO doesn't lead thousands to their death in badly planned out military campaign.
America used torture as a form of punishment that was upheld by the supreme court back in the 18th and 19th centuries. Plus, psychologically, punishment is more effective when the actual sentence is quick and immediate but there are lifelong scars as a reminder. A simple chop of an axe on someone's leg works perfectly.
Yes, you're right something is fucked up. But its still a stupid, simplistic and extremist answer. Better idea. Make it against the law to allow CEO's fired for certain offenses to have those sort of affluent severance. We need to be harder on these people yes, but crucify them? How about this. People are convicted of Business crimes can have no sort of severance package. (Except in very particular circumstances) Lengthen the sentence for white-coller crimes. Send them to butt-slamming prison, not luxury condo prison. When they get out, a portion of their paycheck will go to a fund that helps the victims of his scamming. Or is donated to say, cancer research. Whichever works best.
I agree that "Luxury Condo prison" is rediculous, but I don't think that prison is a good solution anyway. The way I see it just go back to the way it was three hundred years ago. For minor crimes have someone flogged/whipped. Once it is over forget about it and pretend the crime never happened. For more severe crimes cut off a limb. For the more severe put them in a giant brass bull with reeds in their nose and put the metal bull, with them inside, over a fire (actual Athenian execution technique).
You're a little vague though. Would you propose the same punishment for a CEO who runs the company into the ground because he's a shitty businessmen? But didn't actually break any laws? Your company going bankrupt is nothing to be proud of, but its certainly legal.
Yes, stupidity is a crime regardless of malicious intent.
At 8/17/09 07:37 PM, SolInvictus wrote:
At 8/17/09 06:06 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote:
Their nation's collapse had nothing to do with the quality of their generals....yet they were defeated in war... more than once... by the same people...
who, as you said, were unbelievably stupid in war.
1. The first punic war was started by a completely unrelated conflict in Sicily and the outcome was decided mostly by pure luck.
2. Carthage had many great generals. Hannibal won dozens of victories all throughout Italy without ever getting any reinforcements.
3. Carthage lost the second war because the general left to defend the homeland was an idiot and they had to call Hannibal back from Italy (about 20 years after the initial invasion so most of his troops were old and/or wounded anyway) to defend it
4. The third Punic war was lost because after the treaty ending the second one was signed carthage was not allowed a military. Eventually they had to violate the treaty because they were being raided by barbarian Numidian tribes to the west and Rome refused to send troops in their defense. Carthage had just formed an army of fresh, untrained troops while rome had a very well trained army that had just come back from Greece.