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No, not if he didn't really want to kill them. If he took the gun, fired it, and refretted it as soon as he heard the band, the person is dead, and there's nothing we can do.

If he took his fists and socked a bloke, then regretted it a second later, they're most probably still alive, and we can help them.

Sure, if he REALLY wanted to kill the guy, we couldn't reallly stop him, but if he didn't, and was obn the spur of the moment, bannign guns helps.

Would the avarage citizen shoot another in a fit of anger? doesn't seem to happen very often.

At 2/27/04 06:25 PM, MKII wrote: Would the avarage citizen shoot another in a fit of anger? doesn't seem to happen very often.

Often enough. Once is often enough. Remember, if you had the gun, and you were very angry, you might do it.

At 2/27/04 06:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/27/04 06:25 PM, MKII wrote: Would the avarage citizen shoot another in a fit of anger? doesn't seem to happen very often.

Often enough. Once is often enough. Remember, if you had the gun, and you were very angry, you might do it.

i'm a responsible gun owner, thank you very much.

At 2/27/04 06:48 PM, MKII wrote: i'm a responsible gun owner, thank you very much.

I used the word 'you' to mean 'everyone' not you specifically.

Having a gun in your home makes it 22 times more likely that someone in your family will be shout. [Source: htlpnetwork.org]

Having a gun in your home makes it 22 times more likely that someone in your family will be shout. [Source: htlpnetwork.org]

only if you are too lazy to teach them basic gun safy, like DO NOT EVER TOUCH THE FUCKING TRIGGER OR I WILL SPANK YOU SO HARD YOU WILL BE SLEEPING UPRIGHT FOR A MONTH!

and as for you statistics, look here for a refutation.
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm

At 2/28/04 02:32 AM, MKII wrote: only if you are too lazy to teach them basic gun safy, like DO NOT EVER TOUCH THE FUCKING TRIGGER OR I WILL SPANK YOU SO HARD YOU WILL BE SLEEPING UPRIGHT FOR A MONTH!

Who's 'them'? Your family? If you treat them like that, they might shoot you. Or how about teaching them basic gun safety the bumcheekcity way? "Do not touch the gun. I will help you by not owning a gun, therefore the chances of you seeing, shooting or touching a gun are greatly reduced."

http://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm

gunowners.org... To me, this seems like it waill be slightly pro-right, methingks. Oh yeah, I'm right. Look, America has 11,000+ Deaths a year due to handguns. Britain had about 70 last year, I think, although that number is on the increase.

The number for the UK is on the increase because there are MORE GUNS in the country now, and the number is increasing. The Number for the US is incredibly high. They have handguns galore. The corrolation is obvious to me.

Also funny... If you do a search for "Dr. Edgar A. Suter" on Google, he comes across as a bit of a pro-gun fanatic, not the impartial professional he comes across as being.

no one is ever impartial. the site you gave me was anti gun, or did you not notice?

by tha way, i think i was joking withthe CAPITAL LETTER SHOUTING PART.

you do know what joking is, right? jeez....

btw, more americans are killed in car accidents and by smoking each year, and guns prevent somewhere around 1.5 million crimes a year, according to the clinton admisnistraion. tell me that is a bad thing.

At 2/28/04 12:38 PM, MKII wrote: btw, more americans are killed in car accidents and by smoking each year, and guns prevent somewhere around 1.5 million crimes a year, according to the clinton admisnistraion. tell me that is a bad thing.

Guns 'prevent' 1.5 million crimes this year. I'd like to see the definitions of 'prevent' and 'crimes' there. I'd also like to know HOW they prevent those number of crimes. I'd also like to know where I can find that information.

I suspect the definition of 'prevent' might be "are held by the victim, and the crime fails" What kind of crimes? Assaults, rapes, murders? Most importantly, as I said, HOW do they prevent?

assuming you are asking in ernest, are open minded and really want to know, then visit this site.

At 2/28/04 03:37 PM, MKII wrote: assuming you are asking in ernest, are open minded and really want to know, then visit this site.

open minded or not, send us to a biased gunowner site doesn't really help prove any point.

sending me to a biased anit-gun site doen't help much either, does it?

At 2/28/04 03:44 PM, MKII wrote: sending me to a biased anit-gun site doen't help much either, does it?

Did I? No, I didn't.

your right you didn't. sorry

the others, however.......

At 2/28/04 03:51 PM, MKII wrote: your right you didn't. sorry

the others, however.......

s'ok ^_^

If anyone can find a site or organization that has a fair and balanced *snickers* site that shows me some facts about gun control, it would be greatly appreciated

At 2/28/04 03:37 PM, MKII wrote: assuming you are asking in ernest, are open minded and really want to know, then visit this site.

From that site:

Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day

Is anyone worried at the fact that guns are being used > 6500 times a day? I am. That's far too many guns for me.

Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).

That's not a good argument to present to an Anti-Gun person.

- Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense
- Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense

Make up your mind.

And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high

Be aware that those 'error rates' account for another 35 dead civilians. And be aware that the people the civilians shot might not have shot them.

Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries)

Homeowner Occupancy Rate in the UK < 1%. Bullshit statistics.

go to gun rights sites to hear their opinion, go to gun control sites to see their points of view, and then make up your mind.

If guns are used to save people so much, how come 11000 people are killed in the US every year, compared to less than 100 in the UK?

At 2/28/04 04:09 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

From that site:

Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day

Is anyone worried at the fact that guns are being used > 6500 times a day? I am. That's far too many guns for me.

Does it worry you that people defend themselves?

Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).

That's not a good argument to present to an Anti-Gun person.

Shooting bag guys, robbers, burglers, thugs, muggers, and rapists in self defense is not a good thing?

- Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense
- Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense

Make up your mind.

an independedt survey found guns are used 2.5 million times each year. the clinton admisnistration did a study and fount they were used 1.5 million times a year

And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high

Be aware that those 'error rates' account for another 35 dead civilians. And be aware that the people the civilians shot might not have shot them.

since when do innocent civilians shoot at police?

in the UK, guns are banned. the criminals there used knives, clubs, and that sort of stuff.

Hey! I dont think EVERYONE should be able to bare arms.

Its gotta be someone loyal and trustworthy but hey thats just all bull in the end if they flip on ya. so.. hehe

At 2/28/04 04:15 PM, MKII wrote: Does it worry you that people defend themselves?

I worry that guns have to be used over 6500 times a day.

Shooting bag guys, robbers, burglers, thugs, muggers, and rapists in self defense is not a good thing?

No, no, no, no, no and yes. Shooting burglard... I've never hears anything so stupid in my year+ and NG. Why dont we execute them anyway? Shooting rapists, well... yeah. I can see that point. But when the guy is comitting a relatively minor offence, then death isn't an option.

since when do innocent civilians shoot at police?

I never said they did. I'm slightly confused at your point.

At 2/28/04 04:50 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/28/04 04:15 PM, MKII wrote: Does it worry you that people defend themselves?

I worry that guns have to be used over 6500 times a day.

guns have to be used because there is too much violence out there, for a multitude of reasons that i will not discuss here. we should be worried that there are so many criminals present in society.

Shooting bag guys, robbers, burglers, thugs, muggers, and rapists in self defense is not a good thing?

No, no, no, no, no and yes. Shooting burglard... I've never hears anything so stupid in my year+ and NG. Why dont we execute them anyway? Shooting rapists, well... yeah. I can see that point. But when the guy is comitting a relatively minor offence, then death isn't an option.

a lot of burglars ar armed with knives, crowbars, and clubs. if they break into you home, there is a signifignat chance they will try to harm you. it has happened.

since when do innocent civilians shoot at police?

I never said they did. I'm slightly confused at your point.

i was equally confused at yours.

At 2/28/04 04:11 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: If guns are used to save people so much, how come 11000 people are killed in the US every year, compared to less than 100 in the UK?

Well, for starters, americans are fat, so they can't dodge bullets. As for the UK, bad teeth kill ^_~

oh, btw, if you shoot someone, he won't necessarily die. most people don't shoot to kill inless the bad guy is armed and dangerous.

in most cases involving self defense with a gun, the owner of hte weapon only needs to show his weapon and the situation will defuse pretty quickly. this happens about 80% of the time, i think, according to some survey. i'll look it up if you want.

At 2/28/04 05:09 PM, MKII wrote: guns have to be used because there is too much violence out there, for a multitude of reasons that i will not discuss here. we should be worried that there are so many criminals present in society.

Well, if you don't discuss it, then how can you make a point? We will keep having criminals as long as people have the urge to do illegal acts, duh! Guns may not be the cause for high crime rates, but they sure do help a lot.

a lot of burglars ar armed with knives, crowbars, and clubs. if they break into you home, there is a signifignat chance they will try to harm you. it has happened.

That's why people have baseball bats in their bedrooms. Usual, only trigger-happy people and fathers who have daughters keep them ready to fire in their rooms. If a burglar breaks into your house, are you going to tell me that you will have your gun ready when he makes it to you?

At 2/28/04 05:09 PM, MKII wrote: a lot of burglars ar armed with knives, crowbars, and clubs. if they break into you home, there is a signifignat chance they will try to harm you. it has happened.

Sure, it must do, but if someone's got a weapon, then you hand over your stuff, and dont try heroic shit. Get a good look at their face, and report it to the cops the second they leave the house.

1. he should not be in my house

2. he has a desire to endanger my property and

3. he may bery well want to endanger my personal well being and virginity

ahoot him? most likly hold him at gun point untli the cops arrive, but if he takes out a switchblade, then yeah, i would

At 2/28/04 05:19 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/28/04 05:09 PM, MKII wrote: a lot of burglars ar armed with knives, crowbars, and clubs. if they break into you home, there is a signifignat chance they will try to harm you. it has happened.

Sure, it must do, but if someone's got a weapon, then you hand over your stuff, and dont try heroic shit. Get a good look at their face, and report it to the cops the second they leave the house.

so basically, i should abandon all dignety, cower before them, and let the bad guy take anything he wants from me, eh?

doesn't always work

At 2/28/04 05:21 PM, MKII wrote: 1. he should not be in my house

Not really an executionable offence though, is it?

2. he has a desire to endanger my property and

Ditto

3. he may bery well want to endanger my personal well being and virginity

MAY. This is a biggie. Most (90%) of burglaries are drugs related, that means the guy is in your house, and out, he's scared, he doesn't want to dgo down, he just wants his fix.

ahoot him? most likly hold him at gun point untli the cops arrive, but if he takes out a switchblade, then yeah, i would

If he takes out a weapon, then that's a different manner, but the point is that weapons are so easily avaliable. Criminals can get guns by going to gun shows. Everyone has a gun. Result: MOre shootings.

And responsing to what you last said: Could you live with the fact that you killed someone that didn't attack you?