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At 2/28/04 05:35 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/28/04 05:21 PM, MKII wrote: 1. he should not be in my house

Not really an executionable offence though, is it?

2. he has a desire to endanger my property and

Ditto

3. he may bery well want to endanger my personal well being and virginity

MAY. This is a biggie. Most (90%) of burglaries are drugs related, that means the guy is in your house, and out, he's scared, he doesn't want to dgo down, he just wants his fix.

ahoot him? most likly hold him at gun point untli the cops arrive, but if he takes out a switchblade, then yeah, i would

If he takes out a weapon, then that's a different manner, but the point is that weapons are so easily avaliable. Criminals can get guns by going to gun shows. Everyone has a gun. Result: MOre shootings.

And responsing to what you last said: Could you live with the fact that you killed someone that didn't attack you?

you do know that most criminals use small caliber handguns stolen from other homes they've burglarized?

many americans own .22 pistols for target shooting, and when a criminal is straling one of these, he goes "it has a hole at this end, bullets at the other, a trigger and goes boom. i'll take it."

criminals buying stuff at gun shows? maybe...... but stolen guns and guns off the black market are a lot cheaper, and you won't be seen buying one of them.

if the bad guy was a dangerous threat to me and my family, i would not have any trouble between choosing between his life and the lives of my families.

i'd still have to deal with the fact that i killed someone, if he died, because i am not one of those rambo types potrayed in the media, but it would be a lot better than loosing a family member to some young skinhead punk who needs cash for heroin.

At 2/28/04 05:44 PM, MKII wrote: if the bad guy was a dangerous threat to me and my family, i would not have any trouble between choosing between his life and the lives of my families.

Two wrongs don't make a right (but 3 lefts, do). Do you have to resort to a gun? are you that weak that you can't swing one? I mean, with a bat, you can later go play baseball and they aren't that expensive. Why have something in your home that's main purpose is to kill someone?

i'd still have to deal with the fact that i killed someone, if he died, because i am not one of those rambo types potrayed in the media, but it would be a lot better than loosing a family member to some young skinhead punk who needs cash for heroin.

What are wrong with punks?

I remember a case were a burglar fell out of a window in someone house and then sued... and won...

At 2/28/04 06:04 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

At 2/28/04 05:44 PM, MKII wrote: if the bad guy was a dangerous threat to me and my family, i would not have any trouble between choosing between his life and the lives of my families.

Two wrongs don't make a right (but 3 lefts, do). Do you have to resort to a gun? are you that weak that you can't swing one? I mean, with a bat, you can later go play baseball and they aren't that expensive. Why have something in your home that's main purpose is to kill someone?

i'd still have to deal with the fact that i killed someone, if he died, because i am not one of those rambo types potrayed in the media, but it would be a lot better than loosing a family member to some young skinhead punk who needs cash for heroin.

the main purpose of guns is to kill? guns are used for recreational purposes, hunting, and self defense, to name a few of the roles guns ure used in.

you seem to truse police with guns, but what makes a poleceman different from one of us civilians? do the policemen have some special mastery over guns that ordinaty people do not? no, they don't.

are police moraly superior that the rest of us? no they arent. police consort with criminals, deal in drugs, rob banks and commit crimes just like the rest of us.

if there was a murderer in you house, armed wiht a bushknife, would you want to wait ten to tewnty minuets for a policeman to arrive, hit him ith a baseball bat, or shoot him with a shot gun?

btw, a baseball bat is ok as a weapon, but against two or more bad guys, it won't stand up very well.

if you get mugged in a park, you won't be carrying a basball bat, will you? you can, however, cary a gun and scare the punks off with it

What are wrong with punks?

two of my uncles were killed by a gang. does that answer your wuestion?

isn't the main purpouse of a knife to kill something origionally? maybe we should ban knives.

true knives are used for cutting food, a ligitamate, acceptabel prectice, but so is target shooting and hunting.

At 2/28/04 05:39 PM, MKII wrote: you do know that most criminals use small caliber handguns stolen from other homes they've burglarized?

Is this not a very good reason to ban the ownership of handguns?

At 2/28/04 06:23 PM, MKII wrote: isn't the main purpouse of a knife to kill something origionally? maybe we should ban knives.

true knives are used for cutting food, a ligitamate, acceptabel prectice, but so is target shooting and hunting.

Hunting isn't a sport. It's a sick activity that has people with semi-automatic weapons killing defenseless animals because it makes them look like 'men' by killing it with technology that surpasses what nature gave them.

A knife is to cut food. Whatever else you do with it is not my fault. We don't need switch blades and huge knives because they are made to hurt or kill someone. If you need to be defended, take a self-defense class.

a self defense class is no good against a gang of armed criminals. martial arts is not as affective as on tv. did you not read this article carefully? the man had been practicing martial art for years, yet he nearly got killed.

At 2/28/04 06:25 PM, philonous wrote:

At 2/28/04 05:39 PM, MKII wrote: you do know that most criminals use small caliber handguns stolen from other homes they've burglarized?

Is this not a very good reason to ban the ownership of handguns?

then the criminals and government will be the only ones with guns.

did you kow what before the holocaust, hitler confiscated all weapons in germany so no one could resist him? as he took over many european sountries, he confiscated all of the armes of the citizens of those countries,

in russia, Joseph stalin said "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We do not allow the pople to have ideas. why should we let them have guns?"
he then took away all privatly owned guns so no one could rebel agaunst his tyranny.

if you want a gun-free society, take a look at cuba.

At 2/28/04 06:28 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

At 2/28/04 06:23 PM, MKII wrote:

Hunting isn't a sport. It's a sick activity that has people with semi-automatic weapons killing defenseless animals because it makes them look like 'men' by killing it with technology that surpasses what nature gave them.

whatever. killing something with a trap, your bare hands, a bow and arrow, a gun, i don't see much of a difference.

you do know that without hinting rifles, the amout of people killed by mountain lions and brears would increase a lot?

At 2/28/04 06:54 PM, MKII wrote:

At 2/28/04 06:28 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

At 2/28/04 06:23 PM, MKII wrote:

Hunting isn't a sport. It's a sick activity that has people with semi-automatic weapons killing defenseless animals because it makes them look like 'men' by killing it with technology that surpasses what nature gave them.

whatever. killing something with a trap, your bare hands, a bow and arrow, a gun, i don't see much of a difference.

There really isn't (again, it's still called hunting, no matter what is used) and it doesn't make it right either.

you do know that without hinting rifles, the amout of people killed by mountain lions and brears would increase a lot?

Then get out of the fucking mountains.

what if you don't want to move? not everyone can or wants to move.

At 2/28/04 06:28 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

Hunting isn't a sport. It's a sick activity that has people with semi-automatic weapons killing defenseless animals because it makes them look like 'men' by killing it with technology that surpasses what nature gave them.

Aw, don't cry now. The only thing wrong with semi automatic weapons is you run out of ammo too quickly. Wait, killing animals "makes us look like men"? No, not really. It's called because I want fresh venison. I don't know where you're from, but you need to grow some balls. Around here, guns and hunting are a way of life. Don't say crap about semi automatic weapons because you have never used one.

If you need to be defended, take a self-defense class.

Heh, I don't need one.

At 2/28/04 08:32 PM, MKII wrote: what if you don't want to move? not everyone can or wants to move.

Then don't complain about getting attacked!

In that case, I'm pretty sure that rangers could deal with them. If you need to travel, then carry a gun or find another option. If you are an idiot and want to throw yourself into a dangerous place, then by all means, get a gun.

Stab them with a spear... if you are worried about being attacked, don't live there. If you want to live there, don't complain.

At 2/28/04 05:39 PM, MKII wrote: you do know that most criminals use small caliber handguns stolen from other homes they've burglarized?

many americans own .22 pistols for target shooting, and when a criminal is straling one of these, he goes "it has a hole at this end, bullets at the other, a trigger and goes boom. i'll take it."

So the REASON the criminals have guns is because they BSTEAL them from the Law-Abiding Americans, who seeming ly supply them with guns?

At 2/28/04 06:23 PM, MKII wrote: isn't the main purpouse of a knife to kill something origionally? maybe we should ban knives.

The main purpose of a knife NOW is to cut things. The only purpose of a gun is to damage, destroy, hurt or kill the thing it is pointed at.

true knives are used for cutting food, a ligitamate, acceptabel prectice, but so is target shooting and hunting.

Hunting is a different issue. If you use a gun to hunt, that's fine, but you dont need to take it outside with you, or carry it around, and you should keep it locked up, away from the bullets in the basement or attic. Ditto with shooting. You do not need to cnceal your weapon on you, and definately not carry it loaded.

At 2/28/04 06:48 PM, MKII wrote: a self defense class is no good against a gang of armed criminals. martial arts is not as affective as on tv. did you not read this article carefully? the man had been practicing martial art for years, yet he nearly got killed.

Can't have been practising it very well. I've seeen some karate black belts take on guys with baseball bats. Guys being three to six. Baseball bats including chains and knives.

then the criminals and government will be the only ones with guns.

That's not bad. It's how it works here, and we have tiny amouns of Gun Deaths/year. And the Government doesn't have guns...

did you kow what before the holocaust, hitler confiscated all weapons in germany so no one could resist him? as he took over many european sountries, he confiscated all of the armes of the citizens of those countries,

Worried about the government? Vote Green. </of story>

if you want a gun-free society, take a look at cuba.

Or the UK. Or France. Or Germany, or Spain...

:the government doesn't have guns

won't we get invaded by some other country, like China, Russia N. korea ,that way, if we don't have an army?

who's gonna defend us, the gansters?

At 2/29/04 01:26 PM, MKII wrote:

the government doesn't have guns

won't we get invaded by some other country, like China, Russia N. korea ,that way, if we don't have an army?

who's gonna defend us, the gansters?

Chalton Heston, duh

Dammit, I forgot.

Ah-Nold will protect us

At 2/29/04 02:03 PM, MKII wrote: Dammit, I forgot.

Ah-Nold will protect us

no, he will just rise with the machines and crush all of us carbon-based life forms into the ground! FOOL! =P

At 2/29/04 01:26 PM, MKII wrote: won't we get invaded by some other country, like China, Russia N. korea ,that way, if we don't have an army?

who's gonna defend us, the gansters?

The Army and the Government are different.

I'm going to invent a way to cut meat using a pistol, just to shut you all up. I'll make millions off 'Pistol Cut' (TM).

At 2/29/04 02:50 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/29/04 01:26 PM, MKII wrote: won't we get invaded by some other country, like China, Russia N. korea ,that way, if we don't have an army?

who's gonna defend us, the gansters?

The Army and the Government are different.

So the army will have all the power? Just like some third wold dictatorship, then? i applaud you in your thinking.

At 2/29/04 05:43 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/28/04 06:48 PM, MKII wrote: a self defense class is no good against a gang of armed criminals. martial arts is not as affective as on tv. did you not read this article carefully? the man had been practicing martial art for years, yet he nearly got killed.

Can't have been practising it very well. I've seeen some karate black belts take on guys with baseball bats. Guys being three to six. Baseball bats including chains and knives.

they do tend to win when it's choreographed on the silver screen.

then the criminals and government will be the only ones with guns.

That's not bad. It's how it works here, and we have tiny amouns of Gun Deaths/year. And the Government doesn't have guns...

we also had tiny amounts of gun deaths per year when private ownership of firearms was legal, so clearly the availibilty of legal firearms cannot be the predominant factor in determining the number of fatalities caused by them.

did you kow what before the holocaust, hitler confiscated all weapons in germany so no one could resist him? as he took over many european sountries, he confiscated all of the armes of the citizens of those countries,

Worried about the government? Vote Green. </of story>

better yet, conservative.

if you want a gun-free society, take a look at cuba.

Or the UK. Or France. Or Germany, or Spain...

i really dont think it's fair to compare countries like america/britain/france/etc with cuba. they are very different.

At 2/28/04 10:35 PM, 70TA wrote: Aw, don't cry now. The only thing wrong with semi automatic weapons is you run out of ammo too quickly. Wait, killing animals "makes us look like men"? No, not really. It's called because I want fresh venison. I don't know where you're from, but you need to grow some balls. Around here, guns and hunting are a way of life. Don't say crap about semi automatic weapons because you have never used one.

Not crying. I just think a weapon in the hands of a sick person such as youself with your militant right wing ideals is a huge mistake. I have no idea why you are talking about my balls, but I hope you blow them off with your shotgun.

If you need to be defended, take a self-defense class.

Heh, I don't need one.

After this responce, you will

At 2/29/04 05:48 PM, MKII wrote:

At 2/29/04 02:50 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/29/04 01:26 PM, MKII wrote: won't we get invaded by some other country, like China, Russia N. korea ,that way, if we don't have an army?

who's gonna defend us, the gansters?

The Army and the Government are different.

So the army will have all the power? Just like some third wold dictatorship, then? i applaud you in your thinking.

Exluding Bush, I have faith in our country that it will not turn into some backwards ass nation that NEEDS the right to bare arms so they can protect themselves. Keep in mind that we had that right based upon the need of minute men when our country first came together.

and to balance the government's power, incase they tried to turn the US into a backward, third world dictatorship.

At 2/29/04 10:12 PM, MKII wrote: and to balance the government's power, incase they tried to turn the US into a backward, third world dictatorship.

Well with Bush, I see that one coming

hmmmm......