Our right too Bare arms....

[SplatterMan]

This Topic is about our Rights too bare Arms.

I believe that US citizens should have the right too arm themselves,without the prying eye of the Liberal pieces of shit out there. See non-gun folk actually believe that if they bann guns,that they would actually put an end too cry period...hehehe this thought makes me laugh at how retartded and nieve this people are,you see criminals dont get there guns at a gun store,they get it off a blackmarket Van or dealer witch a handgun in a local gunstore is up too $500 too $800 dollars while at a blackarms dealer you can get a handgun for litterally half or even less then half of its original price. I also hate the fact that so many people judge labled people who have armed themselves and members of the NRA as psychotic gunweilding maniacs. Well that opinion is completely untrue,but of course the Liberal population dont take the time too understand the Indavidual and the Veiws of having a handgun,with the know-how of using it successfully and using it safely..... I would like too get some comments about this issue and the veiws of some of our elderly and young folk outthere..
thank you for reading
the Homicidal maniac nextdoor
SplatterMan

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 01:53 PM, SplatterMan wrote: This Topic is about our Rights too bare Arms.

Number of periods: 9 (ignoring excessive "...")
Number of spelling errors: at least 16 (cursory examination)
Number of thoughts put across: 1

Now see, this sentence should of read: "This topic is about our right to bear arms."

But irregardless, lets move on to the subject at hand. Firstly, I don't see anywhere where it says that citizens have the right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment says in organized militias, doesn't it? Hmm?

Secondly, I'm not sure someone like you should be able to license and register a firearm, since you sign off as the "Homicidal maniac nextdoor" and in your profile your job is "serial killer." Not that I believe any of this crap, hell, your age is suspect, but it shows a certain lack of maturity that I would hope gun owners would have.

[bumcheekcity]

Purely out of interest, in the past year, how many times have the following things occurred?

a) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night.
b) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night, by a guy with a gun.
c) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night, by a guy with a gun, who then proceeds to attack or threaten you or your family?

Also purely out of interest:

d) Have you ever fired a gun
d ii) If so, at what?
e) Do you own a firearm?
e ii) If so, what?
f) Has your firearm (if you have one) ever came in useful in protecting the security of you or an immediate member of your family/close friend?

Purely so that I dont get asked this, my answers are:

a) 0
b) 0
c) 0
d) no
e) no
f) N/A

[Reverend-Kyle]

At 2/8/04 02:06 PM, red_skunk wrote: But irregardless, lets move on to the subject at hand. Firstly, I don't see anywhere where it says that citizens have the right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment says in organized militias, doesn't it? Hmm?

If you're going to point other the errors of others, you better make sure you don't make any.

As for the first poster: you will call the liberals shits, retarded, and naïve, and you say that members of the NRA aren't gun wielding maniacs? Don't group people together and complain when someone else does it-- don't be a hypocrite.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 03:00 PM, Kyle_22 wrote: If you're going to point other the errors of others, you better make sure you don't make any.

I was suffering from temporary brain damage after reading the topic several times, trying to understand it...

[Samuel-HALL]

I do believe people have a right to arm themselves. I do, however, know that the second amendment speaks for organized militias. Every time i hear someone say 'The constitution says we can all buy guns!!", it makes me want to shove a copy of the constitution down my throat and pray for asphyxiation. Owning a weapon is fine. It's nice to hunt, or have the reassurance of a pistol in your gun cabinet.

What makes it unintelligent is people who stockpile weapons. I swear to god, my brother has a friend like that. The guy literally owns like thirty guns, and if you ask him why, protection is his answer. These are the kind of people who join the NRA...as if they are expecting an american land invasion any day now.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/8/04 04:13 PM, Damien3003 wrote: It's nice to hunt, or have the reassurance of a pistol in your gun cabinet.

Hunting's fine. How does a pistol in your gun cabinet reassure you though? Gotta agree with you on the 'stockpiling' thing though.

[Apollo]

You forget us hunters, we own guns for sport, crazy guys in the NRA give hunters a bad name. I agree Americans do have the right to own firearms, but not an assult rifle in every home.

[Proteas]

Too borrow something from everyone's favorite movie, "Bowling for Columbine", I have this to say;

The second amendment says that well organized militias have the right to keep and bear arms. This can apply to any kind of weapon suited for personal defense (i.e.; baseball bats, a length of chain with a master lock on the end), not just guns.

[beaucoup-yeux]

God damn it, it doesnt say you cant own a gun if your a normal adult citizen, it says that if your a minor or a convicted felon, that you cant own a gun.
The only crap you have to put up is gun control, the sick liberal process of keeping firearms from you so that they can make sure your not a felon or minor. They also have the waiting period, so that if you rush out to buy a gun to kill your neighbor for taking your hedgeclippers, you might cool down a bit and change your mind.
They dont want to keep you vulnerable, just less likely to blow some guys face off for no reason

[FUNKbrs]

Before you tell anyone whether they should or should not be allowed to have a gun, I suggest you go to a firing range, and learn how to shoot. Shoot some targets, and tell me it isn't possibly the most fun thing you can do with all your clothes on.

Not everyone owns a handgun for killing people, children. Guns are just good clean fun.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 09:47 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: Guns are just good clean fun.

Naw, they spread disease.

[Maestro1017]

I see guns as tools. When used properly they can provide stress relief a.k.a firing range and/or hunting and a feeling of safety. I also believe that if Americans did not have the right to bare arms "buy guns" that it would not hinder serious criminals, but it would hinder the two bit punks that break into your house for fun.

[Raptorman]

At 2/8/04 08:05 PM, Proteas wrote:
The second amendment says that well organized militias have the right to keep and bear arms.

US Constitution 2nd ammendment' "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "

What you have there is a justification followed by an enumeration of a right. Nowhere does it resrict this right to or from any group. Further it explicitly states the it is a right of the people. In short, it is the right of all citizens to keep and bear arms.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/9/04 12:34 AM, Raptorman wrote: US Constitution 2nd ammendment' "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "

Look at it from this point: it says a "well-organized militia." This means a state-sponsored militia. To make sure that the federal gov't does not gain undue power over the states.

Nowhere does it resrict this right to or from any group. Further it explicitly states the it is a right of the people. In short, it is the right of all citizens to keep and bear arms.

Nope, it doesn't. Actually, it doesn't mention individuals at all, does it? So, does this mean they're allowed to have weapons, or does this mean they aren't allowed? Hmm.. I wonder.

[Maestro1017]

At 2/9/04 01:01 AM, red_skunk wrote:

Nope, it doesn't. Actually, it doesn't mention individuals at all, does it? So, does this mean they're allowed to have weapons, or does this mean they aren't allowed? Hmm.. I wonder.

-I guess it depends if we interpret the constitution to be literal or implied. If we take it literally where are these said militias of the state? Do you think a state sponsored militia would be better?

[d4rkn1t3]

hey splatterman, despite my age a mere 17 on this planet i think that i have seen enuogh to tell u that the second amendment is one of the most widely reffered to amendments by ignorant hicks who have nothing better to do ten to masturbate and shoot their guns. if u are thinking what has he seen, i have been in a classroom when a gun was shot at another, one of my friends was shot in the face while walking outside by some ignorant pieces oh shit who thought it would be fun to practice a little with their gun, drivebys happen often in my town not something unusual. and if you are anti-terrorist you should know that this amendment only makes it easier for them to find and buy guns LEGALLY. we endanger ourselves by allowing this amendment.

[Lyddiechu]

At 2/9/04 01:09 AM, d4rkn1t3 wrote: hey splatterman, despite my age a mere 17 on this planet i think that i have seen enuogh to tell u that the second amendment is one of the most widely reffered to amendments by ignorant hicks who have nothing better to do ten to masturbate and shoot their guns. if u are thinking what has he seen, i have been in a classroom when a gun was shot at another, one of my friends was shot in the face while walking outside by some ignorant pieces oh shit who thought it would be fun to practice a little with their gun, drivebys happen often in my town not something unusual. and if you are anti-terrorist you should know that this amendment only makes it easier for them to find and buy guns LEGALLY. we endanger ourselves by allowing this amendment.

you may be right, but I am still going to apply for my gun and hunting license soon. plus a conceal and carry, if its allowed in my state, im not sure. shit man, its a dangerous world, and part of america being such a free country is that a lot more dangerous people can roam the streets and slip through the cracks in the system. freedom = good yet dangerous. i dont feel safe in the city when its dark out without some sort of escort, i really dont. im a buxom 18 year old female, its kind of hard for me not to look like a target, and i cant be accompanied by someone every time i have to go into the city at night. women are so often taken advantage of by attackers because they dont know how to defend themselves.. please ladies, buy yourselves a handgun and learn how to use it.

[MarijuanaClock]

I believe every worker should own a gun. How else to win the revoutlion. Many leftists(read leftists, nor bourgeouise centrists) believe quite redily enjoy the fact we can access weapons. And when we win the revolution every citizen will be armed to defend against capitalist aggression.

Thank you NRA, thank you for helping those who want to over throw capitalism!

[Maestro1017]

At 2/9/04 01:09 AM, d4rkn1t3 wrote: despite my age a mere 17 on this planet i think that i have seen enuogh to tell u that the second amendment is one of the most widely reffered to amendments by ignorant hicks who have nothing better to do ten to masturbate and shoot their guns.

-For your age you certainly have developed a lot of class. Making wide generalizations is a sure fire way of discrediting your argument. For example without what you said above I would have respected you’re argument a lot more. Believe me I don’t agree with everything splatterman said or how he said it. Use your passion more intelligently, or you’re still just a kid.

[Fiend-Lore]

i dont care what some of the negative posters say, but i know this. A person has the divine animal right to protect themselves and their offspring. I dont care with what; guns, my bare fist, ect, but if its availible, and it happens to be a gun, then ill use it. laws against protecting myself and my family can take it up the ass

[RedSkunk]

At 2/9/04 08:35 AM, Fiend_Lore wrote: laws against protecting myself and my family can take it up the ass

Name one of these laws. It's this ignorant attitude that prohibits any type of constructive discussion into this issue.

[Reverend-Kyle]

At 2/9/04 01:09 AM, maestro1017 wrote: -I guess it depends if we interpret the constitution to be literal or implied...

That's the problem with too many things. When people are depending upon something it should be concrete-- no room for interpretation. Being able to interpret something in your own way leads to people dying.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/9/04 05:41 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Thank you NRA, thank you for helping those who want to over throw capitalism!

Dude, the NRA are capitalists, why do you think they completely support the Republicans?

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

I always understood the purpose of the second amendment as being a safeguard against catastrophic failure of the government to protect liberty.
I look at it from the prospective of the writers of the constitution. They were in the process of breaking away from an oppressive government using civilian militias.

[MarijuanaClock]

*sigh*

I know that, I was pointing out that while the NRA protects the rights of backwoods hicks and thier guns. It also enables people like me, revolutionaries, to own guns.

Sarcasm, it's a fun thing, really, look it up.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/9/04 05:02 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: I know that, I was pointing out that while the NRA protects the rights of backwoods hicks and thier guns. It also enables people like me, revolutionaries, to own guns.

Revolutionaries? You actually afraid that the government will oppress you THAT much? Vote democrat.

[Proteas]

At 2/9/04 12:34 AM, Raptorman wrote: US Constitution 2nd ammendment' "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "

What you have there is a justification followed by an enumeration of a right. Nowhere does it resrict this right to or from any group. Further it explicitly states the it is a right of the people. In short, it is the right of all citizens to keep and bear arms.

Justification of what? Enumeration of what? All your doing is throwing big words around in the hopes that no one will challenge you on your stance. The definition of Militia (see below) causes the second amendment to be restricted to a specific group of people, even if they are citizens.

Militia
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

All you have done is contradict your own argument.

[Dagodevas]

I’m probably going to get flamed for this, but here it goes…

I believed the American right to own firearms should not be infringed simply because it was part of our original Bill of Rights. I know some of you think that’s silly, but hear me out. Our (American) forefathers wrote that document and many others knowing that society would change drastically in the distant future, much like all societies. The unique American government is built so that laws and other political matters could be easily changed without a major hassle. However, in order to preserve the foundations of the United States, the Bill of Rights was written (namely by those who challenged the Constitution) so that the government couldn’t infringe on certain rights of the people much like how the British government did. The Right to Bear Arms was the Second Amendment and done so that the government could not under any circumstances infringe on it, hence therefore my belief that it should not be infringed. If we take that away from the people, we would be hypocrites and betraying our nations founding fathers along with everything they struggled for. What would be next? Freedom of Speech; Religion; Press?

Don’t go start putting words in my mouth though. I don’t think people should own large, automatic rifles in their homes. Certain constraints should be put on rights (e.i. You can’t run into a crowded building and needlessly yell “Fire!”). However I don’t believe we should completely relieve our people of their rights to own firearms.

[Lyddiechu]

for once dagoda... i cannot agree with you more. im a bit of a strict constructionalist when it comes to the constituion.. i think it can be interpreted in different ways to make different laws and the INTERPRETATION of it should always be in debate, but never, EVER change the original.