This is a new scheme in America where we all pay a little extra tax and in return the government will provide each house with a shotgun, pistol and ammo for both to each house so it can defend itself from terrorists.
Just so those of us who can't afford that, can feel safe at night. If you all ready have sufficient home defence then that's ok, your contribution will be added to a surplus that will benefit the nation as it grows.
Do any of you think this is a bad idea?
home defense isn't a human right. the liberals say so. you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking about harming another human being. Criminals don't commit crimes for pleasure, but out of desperation of their living conditions. Matter of fact, when someone comes in to rob your home and rape your wife, you should have what he wants packaged up and ready to go and provide a condom so he doesn't knock up your wife.
*end sarcasm*
It simply wouldn't be enough to provide every law abidiing citizens a weapon. Weapons do you no good if you don't know how to use them, or have the courage to face a criminal, or if you have a problem with the prospects of killing an invader.
I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
At 8/16/09 08:33 AM, Korriken wrote: home defense isn't a human right.
Oh but it is, everyone has the right to self defence, wether their in their home or not.
the liberals say so. you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking about harming another human being.
Again I would like to meet some of these people. I did not say I had the intention of harming anybody, just to stop them if they have the intention of harming me.
Criminals don't commit crimes for pleasure,
Some of them do, the condition is known to Psychologists as Psychosis
but out of desperation of their living conditions.
Also true but not the only factor!
It simply wouldn't be enough to provide every law abidiing citizens a weapon. Weapons do you no good if you don't know how to use them, or have the courage to face a criminal, or if you have a problem with the prospects of killing an invader.
This life saving scheme would also provide free basic training :D
And while people may be turned off by the idea of killing someone, everyone is capable of this, the training course would also ready the mind for combat as we do with young soldiers. Train them to shoot people not targets. Efficiency and willingness rises 98%
Are you for or against?
Socialised home defense? Sounds alot like those police department things i keep hearing about...
At 8/16/09 08:47 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Some of them do, the condition is known to Psychologists as Psychosis
Yes I did mean Psychopathy in this specific example but Psychosis plays its part when the criminal eventually confesses :D
Is this some kind of a joke? That sounds like a horrible idea. =\
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. "
-P. J. O'Rourke
Are you trying to make some kind of point about healthcare by drawing a comparison to home safety? People clearly wouldn't like this idea therefore how come people can be inf avour of socialised medicine when the base premise is essentially the same?
I honestly wouldnt know how they would react to this idea, just testing the water as they say! It seems to me the people who object to a national healthcare system would actually go for this! Thats the impression I get from the radio and news over here.
Consider it thought provocation and nothing more ;-)
At 8/16/09 09:32 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Safety for all a horrible joke?
It would be a horrible waste of tax payer money. The people can arm themselves if they feel a need to, they don't need government issued weapons. If the government was REALLY serious about stopping terrorism in this country they'd actually do something about the lack of border security.
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. "
-P. J. O'Rourke
I'm torn on issues like gun control because you have arguments like "Oh, well we should control guns because there are people who kill others just for fun blah blah blah" and while I feel a lot less sympathy for this side, I do realize that people do stupid things, rationalize differently when theyre in a different mindset, like being angry or sad, and I do feel that there are people with whom you would get shot over a minor dispute, just because they lost their head.
On the other hand you have the arument "People who want guns will get them whether or not it is legal, and do what they will with them," which I sympathize much more with, and while banning all guns is unfeasible and rather childish, giving everybody a gun is just ridiculous.
They will definitely end up in the hands of children, not everybody is a good shot, there would be lots of accidents; you're handing people each other's lives, in a sense. At the same time, I do sympathize with the "man's home is his castle" theory - if someone is breaking into your house, you shouldn't have to wait for the police to get there and attempt to pretend to give a shit, my mother's car was robbed once before, and a bunch of shit stolen, at like 7 P.M, we had to wait about an hour for them to show up and when they arrived, all they did was say "Well, that sucks, we can't really do anything though." So, I don't trust my house, wellbeing, or property to the police. Yeah an argument against that is "Well the castle defense gets innocent people hurt because maybe the person will miss, or the burglar will feel threatened and shoot the homeowner," but if they guy has a gun and is breaking into your house, he's gonna shoot you.
I went off on a tangent but tl;dr:
I think "socialized" home defense, giving everybody guns is kind of stupidly optimistic in that you're assuming people wont abuse any laws put in place for such an idea, or outright just go crazy with them, but taking home defnese away from people is just as ridiculous, and it glorifies burglary as a winning situation because you could get in, take some jewelry and be out in the time it takes the cops to get there, and the cops arent going to scrounge the streets looking for a jewelry thief unless it's a really small town/community and they don't have anything else to do.
At 8/16/09 10:31 AM, CassCassXXX wrote:At 8/16/09 09:32 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Safety for all a horrible joke?It would be a horrible waste of tax payer money.
They could be paying a fraction of the 17billion that is paid every year to maintain the nuclear deterrent.
See this thread -> http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1091 551
At 8/16/09 08:49 AM, scarneck wrote: Socialised home defense? Sounds alot like those police department things i keep hearing about...
That's a bucket full of win, right there.
"A witty quote proves nothing."
~Voltaire
At 8/16/09 11:26 AM, TheShrike wrote:At 8/16/09 08:49 AM, scarneck wrote: Socialised home defense? Sounds alot like those police department things i keep hearing about...That's a bucket full of win, right there.
The police can't protect everyone's house all the time. Their main goal is to catch criminals. Their is not much they can do to prevent things happening!
I don't think supplying guns to a home is the most efficient method of providing home safety, seeing as how many people don't want guns in their home, can't use them properly, are scared, ect.
A much better idea would to strengthen the 'Neighborhood Watch' system. Have one person per every few blocks be registered as a Watchman (Teehee). Give him a badge, handcuffs, guns, and the same responsibilities as a police officer. Give him maybe a few weeks or so of training, and set up a system where any break-in near his house will set off an an alarm in his so he can charge over to you house and kick some ass. Maybe bring along some other neighborhood Watchmen.
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At 8/16/09 11:44 AM, Jon-86 wrote:At 8/16/09 11:26 AM, TheShrike wrote:The police can't protect everyone's house all the time. Their main goal is to catch criminals. Their is not much they can do to prevent things happening!At 8/16/09 08:49 AM, scarneck wrote: Socialised home defense? Sounds alot like those police department things i keep hearing about...That's a bucket full of win, right there.
And yet we pay these bastards every month to PROTECT us! YAY FOR WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING</sarcasm>
"A witty quote proves nothing."
~Voltaire
At 8/16/09 08:49 AM, scarneck wrote: Sounds alot like those police department things i keep hearing about...
Wrong, Police have failed to bring the crime rate down to zero percent and thus the government absolutely MUST spend as much money as possible and probably make things worse in an attempt to achieve that end.
"Communism is the very definition of failure." - Liberty Prime.
Its a really bad idea, the addition of a firearm to any households creates tension among neighbors and is and added incentive for local violence.
Example: Small feud sparks neighborhood violence.
At 8/16/09 11:44 AM, Jon-86 wrote: The police can't protect everyone's house all the time. Their main goal is to catch criminals. Their is not much they can do to prevent things happening!
So...guilty until proven innocent?
Damn, Scotland must be a worse country than I could've ever imagined...
When all else fails, blame the casuals!
Better idea everyone gets turret guns that burst from the roof and fire. one for each room. It would shoot everyone who was wearing their identification in the legs when an alarm goes off
At 8/16/09 03:32 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: So...guilty until proven innocent?
Damn, Scotland must be a worse country than I could've ever imagined...
Don't you forget it :)
At 8/16/09 08:47 AM, Jon-86 wrote:At 8/16/09 08:33 AM, Korriken wrote: home defense isn't a human right.Oh but it is, everyone has the right to self defence, wether their in their home or not.
he was being sarcastic.
stupid.
"Guns don't kill people, the government does."
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At 8/17/09 12:04 AM, homor wrote:At 8/16/09 08:47 AM, Jon-86 wrote:he was being sarcastic.At 8/16/09 08:33 AM, Korriken wrote: home defense isn't a human right.Oh but it is, everyone has the right to self defence, wether their in their home or not.
stupid.
this entire thread is sarcastic.
stupid.
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THIS IS A GREAT IDEA GUYS!
Now I can shoot my neighbour! Let's see him trim MY hedges again, the little bitch..
(If this is an actual idea, then OP should die in a fire.)
At 8/17/09 01:42 AM, TheStonePilot wrote: (If this is an actual idea, then OP should die in a fire.)
I already have, it was like an invigorating shower, I recommend it!
At 8/17/09 01:18 AM, Wonderful wrote: this entire thread is sarcastic.
stupid.
At least your awake
At 8/17/09 01:18 AM, Wonderful wrote: this entire thread is sarcastic.
stupid.
you're sarcastic.
stupid.
"Guns don't kill people, the government does."
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At 8/17/09 03:35 PM, homor wrote:At 8/17/09 01:18 AM, Wonderful wrote: this entire thread is sarcastic.you're sarcastic.
stupid.
stupid.
You're stupid.
Sarcasti-
Hold on a minute, that doesn't work.
I've always heard if an American doesn't have at least 1 gun, it's because its court ordered .
Plus if you want a gun, it is stupidly easy & Cheap to buy one, whether you want it legally or otherwise !
So why would the Government supply what is already easily acquired ?
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