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At 10/19/09 08:23 AM, jonthomson wrote: brag - opponent in some fantasy league had brady and welker and second most points in the league this week and still lost

Kevin Walter cost me my matchup.

Fuckin' Texans.

At 10/19/09 08:23 AM, jonthomson wrote: brag - opponent in some fantasy league had brady and welker and second most points in the league this week and still lost

I'll check my fantasy teams later, if one of them managed to lose despite Brees performance that'll be even worse. It's bad enough that the Giants got raped, just hope at the very least I benefited from that.

At 10/19/09 08:23 AM, jonthomson wrote: brag - opponent in some fantasy league had brady and welker and second most points in the league this week and still lost

If they didn't start anyone else on their team, then yes. I doubt those 2 combined for more than 50 or 60 points. Granted, that's about as much as entire teams score, but still; it's possible to have the other team do great while the rest of your team take a cock to the ass.

As for the Patriots actual game, I think 59-0 is a bit excessive. There's no reason to put of that many points when you opponent has so few. Sure, they got most of their points in the first half/3 quarters, but when you're up 35-0, I think it's safe to say that few teams will be able to cover that. I want to say that the largest comeback was 36 points, and no one has ever come that close before or since.

At 10/18/09 07:13 PM, michelinman wrote: <<<<<<< Picked the Raiders over the Eagles.

Right one week, wrong many other weeks. :P

At 10/18/09 10:34 PM, TheThing wrote: Wow, I'm excited to see the weekly picks roster this week. I'm pretty sure that this is the most fucked up week this year, picks-wise.

Glancing over the picks, it's not a bad as you would think, unless you are pepeatumi with seven losses so far.

At 10/19/09 02:41 PM, TheThing wrote: As for the Patriots actual game, I think 59-0 is a bit excessive. There's no reason to put of that many points when you opponent has so few. Sure, they got most of their points in the first half/3 quarters, but when you're up 35-0, I think it's safe to say that few teams will be able to cover that. I want to say that the largest comeback was 36 points, and no one has ever come that close before or since.

Yeah, I don't buy that argument. It's the NFL you get paid to play defense verses whoever. If you can't play defense, it's not the fault of the other team. If the other team doesn't like it, show up and stop them.

At 10/19/09 04:22 PM, reverend wrote:

At 10/19/09 02:41 PM, TheThing wrote: As for the Patriots actual game, I think 59-0 is a bit excessive. There's no reason to put of that many points when you opponent has so few. Sure, they got most of their points in the first half/3 quarters, but when you're up 35-0, I think it's safe to say that few teams will be able to cover that. I want to say that the largest comeback was 36 points, and no one has ever come that close before or since.

Yeah, I don't buy that argument. It's the NFL you get paid to play defense verses whoever. If you can't play defense, it's not the fault of the other team. If the other team doesn't like it, show up and stop them.

Let's say you and I worked as janitors from different buildings. One day, I show up and start to shit on the lobby floor. Now, it's your job to clean it up, but in my fit of explosive diarrhea, I can't and won't stop. You also only have paintbrush and a bottle of Windex to clean up my shit. You subsequently get fired because I decided not to head into the bathroom when the first pieces of liquid shit started to drip out, and you had no way of stopping me or counter-acting my shitting.

As professional football players, you should have a certain amount of respect for the other team. You both know how hard it is to make in the NFL, and how embarrassing and humiliating it is to lose by a huge margin (huge being defined as 21+ points). Yeah, the Patriots are good. We get that when the score is 24-0 with 9 minutes left in the SECOND QUARTER.

A 59 point lead is an unheard of amount, because no team is willing to do that. That's why every other NFL team will put in their back-ups or just go with running plays for the rest of the game.

Week 6 Standings

Most Wins This Week:
michelinman - 11 wins

Most Losses This Week:
Crashman, iBagel, Molotov, pepeatumi, phileeguy, TheThing, Tluck-Person, and Shy2Authenik - 7 losses

[Rank] [ W - L ] [ Win% ] [ User, Win% Rank ]
>>>01 ] [ 63 - 26 ] [ .708% ] [ Molotov, 1 ]
>>>--- ] [ 63 - 26 ] [ .708% ] [ reverend, 2 ]
>>>03 ] [ 61 - 28 ] [ .685% ] [ TheBlackDahliaMurder, 3 ]
>>>04 ] [ 60 - 29 ] [ .674% ] [ jonthomson, 3 ]
>>>--- ] [ 60 - 29 ] [ .674% ] [ 36Holla, 5 ]
>>>06 ] [ 59 - 30 ] [ .663% ] [ Fro, 7 ]
>>>07 ] [ 58 - 31 ] [ .651% ] [ pepeatumi, 5 ]
>>>08 ] [ 56 - 33 ] [ .629% ] [ EternitySpent, 8 ]
>>>09 ] [ 52 - 37 ] [ .584% ] [ Tluck-Person, 9 ]

>>>10 ] [ 43 - 15 ] [ .741% ] [ TheThing, 10 ]
>>>11 ] [ 20 - _8 ] [ .714% ] [ <a her="http://deluca2400.newgrounds.com/">
DELUCA2400, 11 ]
>>>12 ] [ 38 - 20 ] [ .655% ] [ idiot-buster, 12 ]
>>>13 ] [ 47 - 26 ] [ .644% ] [ michelinman, 13 ]
>>>14 ] [ 44 - 30 ] [ .595% ] [ SlntCobra1, 15 ]
>>>15 ] [ 33 - 24 ] [ .579% ] [ Crashman, 14 ]
>>>16 ] [ _7 - _7 ] [ .500% ] [ iBagel, --]
>>>17 ] [ _7 - _7 ] [ .500% ] [ phileeguy, --]
>>>18 ] [ _7 - _7 ] [ .500% ] [ Shy2Authenik, -- ]

Comments:
Talk about a rough week; eight pickers went 7-7 this week. Hopefully this week's pick are easier because there are only 13 games being played. :P
Only two people picked the Texans over the Bungels: TluckPerson and michelinman. Kudos to you.

Week 7 Schedule:
Green Bay at Cleveland
San Diego at Kansas City
Indianapolis at St. Louis
Minnesota at Pittsburgh
New England at Tampa Bay
San Francisco at Houston
Buffalo at Carolina
NY Jets at Oakland
Atlanta at Dallas
Chicago at Cincinnati
New Orleans at Miami
Arizona at NY Giants
Philadelphia at Washington

Bye: Denver, Detroit, Tennessee, Seattle, Jacksonville, Baltimore

^
Damn it. >:(

At 10/18/09 03:24 AM, phileeguy wrote: I'm liking the fact that you guys also talk College Football, and I'll throw in my 2 cents whenever I can (like will Weis ever beat USC?! I'm guessing no), but for the most part I'll stick with the Pro Game.

That's great. Sometimes it feels like I'm talking to myself since I really prefer college football to the pros. And no, Weis won't ever beat USC because he won't have a job after this season.

I'll join in with that trend, and if you want to throw me in with the late-comers that's fine, but you might as well just save the effort and I'll keep track of it myself.

I got ya.

At 10/18/09 03:59 PM, DELUCA2400 wrote: As for my Brownies the defense had it's moments, but the offense turned the ball over way too much. With this and the upset to OSU I lost all hope for Ohio sports. Well at least we have the Cavs.

Well there are the Cincinnati Bearcats. They are ranked # 5 in the AP Poll and in the BCS rankings. :)

At 10/19/09 11:17 PM, TheThing wrote: Let's say you and I worked as janitors from different buildings. One day, I show up and start to shit on the lobby floor. ...

Janitor is one thing a multi-million dollar player is another. Football players have a unique talent much like a doctor or a lawyer, etc. If you are losing your life you don't expect a doctor to quit or if you are losing your court case you don't expect your lawyer to pack it in. Titans just quit and the Patriots just handed it to them. Sure they could have pulled Brady but why? There is no mercy rule in the NFL.

As professional football players, you should have a certain amount of respect for the other team. You both know how hard it is to make in the NFL, and how embarrassing and humiliating it is to lose by a huge margin (huge being defined as 21+ points). Yeah, the Patriots are good. We get that when the score is 24-0 with 9 minutes left in the SECOND QUARTER.

Twenty-four point is only three touchdowns and a field goal. You must have lots of faith in your defense to yank your QB and put in your second stringers. Sure at halftime it was 45-0 but anything can happen and "you play to win the game! Hello!"

At 10/20/09 02:21 AM, reverend wrote:

At 10/19/09 11:17 PM, TheThing wrote: Let's say you and I worked as janitors from different buildings. One day, I show up and start to shit on the lobby floor. ...

Titans just quit and the Patriots just handed it to them. Sure they could have pulled Brady but why? There is no mercy rule in the NFL.

A good reason to pull Brady and other starters earlier than they were was because of the injury risk. When you're up by 30+ and you're still playing your starters in the snow that makes no sense. I really wonder how the fans would have felt if Brady or Moss got injured in what had become a guaranteed win whether they were playing or not. I guarantee they'd be crying about it just like when Brady was injured last year.

As professional football players, you should have a certain amount of respect for the other team. You both know how hard it is to make in the NFL, and how embarrassing and humiliating it is to lose by a huge margin (huge being defined as 21+ points). Yeah, the Patriots are good. We get that when the score is 24-0 with 9 minutes left in the SECOND QUARTER.

Twenty-four point is only three touchdowns and a field goal. You must have lots of faith in your defense to yank your QB and put in your second stringers. Sure at halftime it was 45-0 but anything can happen and "you play to win the game! Hello!"

The chance that any team that got beat so badly in one half making a 45+ point comeback is unrealistic. You can do running plays with the occasional needed pass play for the entire second half and still be playing to win the game. But when you're still going for it on 4th down and you're up by that much, it's disrespectful and a purposeful attempt to demoralize the other team even further. Put yourself in the Titan's position. Picture you're on that defense and you see that on 4th down, the other team is ignoring normal football protocol and going for it because they figure no matter what, they had already won the game at the end of the first half. At that point they're just fucking around because they can, and they know that the end result will be the same no matter what.

packers
chargers
colts
steelers
pats
49ers
panthers
raiders
falcons
bungles
saints
giants
eagles

I would just like to say that I was once in a football game where I was ahead by over 30 points at half-time. We were so sure that we were going to win that we had our backups in. Late in the fourth quarter, after we had all the starters on the bench for an entire quarter, the team came back and scored over 20 points to catch up to us. We ended up winning that game by a blocked extra point, but if we would have kept our starters in for one or two more drives after the half we would have put them away.

I'm all for it right after the half. They pulled them right after it so what's it really matter?

Also, go Denver. :)

At 10/20/09 02:14 AM, reverend wrote:

Most Losses This Week:
Crashman, iBagel, Molotov, pepeatumi, phileeguy, TheThing, Tluck-Person, and Shy2Authenik - 7 losses

At least it was a group effort of suckage,i knew this week was gonna be tough shit.

[Rank] [ W - L ] [ Win% ] [ User, Win% Rank ]
>>>01 ] [ 63 - 26 ] [ .708% ] [ Molotov, 1 ]
>>>--- ] [ 63 - 26 ] [ .708% ] [ reverend, 2 ]

Still tied lead dog & .700 ^_^

Talk about a rough week; eight pickers went 7-7 this week. Hopefully this week's pick are easier because there are only 13 games being played. :P

Thanks a lot Baltimore kicker & Deadskins >:(

Only two people picked the Texans over the Bungels: TluckPerson and michelinman. Kudos to you.

Funny enough my buddy Ron bet $125 on the Raiders this week,don't know what the hell possessed him to do that but kudos to him as well.

ONCE AGAIN,DAMN YOU BALTIMORE KICKER WHERE THE FUCK DID MATT STOVER GO RAWR!

At 8/20/09 07:34 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote:

At 8/18/09 09:02 PM, 36Holla wrote: Favre has now replaced John Kerry as the biggest flip flopper this century. Also why the NFC North? Haven't you done enough damage Brett? Now you want to be a constant pain in the side of my favorite team? (but mostly the Packers) You've got some balls.

Fuck Brett Favre. He used to be my favorite player. Then he went to the Jets and I didn't like him. Now I hope he dies in an accident at the Vikings practice facility. I also hope he's the only one who gets hurt.

I no right he is a fucking playler he sad that noe of packers would sleep with him so he decide to go see if all others team! FUCK BREET FARVE!!! BUT PACKERS ARE THE BEST

i think packers are better than the bears? what do you think! the bears suck no offense if you are a bears fan! and remember packers won agaisnt the bears!

Fun Fact: Steven Haukscha, the current Ravens kicker, was a preseason cut by the Vikings. Coincidence?

& Matt Stover is now kicking for Indianapolis while Vinatieri recovers from knee surgery. As a fantasy play he should be good this week as the Colts take on the Rams. Plenty of PATs and FGs there.

I give equal amounts of flak to Hauskscha as I do the Ravens' D for allowing Sidney Rice to get a near-60-yard catch from Favre that brought them back in the game, however.

On another subject, this:

WASHINGTON-Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn held a press conference Sunday to reassure fans that, despite an inability to effectively execute their offense, defense, or special teams, the Redskins were still somewhat comparable to a real football team.

"It's been a tough season so far, and even though we are 2-4, we still have players, uniforms, Motorola headsets-all the components that technically constitute an NFL team, sort of," Zorn said while grimacing and making a "so-so" gesture with his hand. "Sure, I was stripped of play-calling responsibilities by team management, and I really don't have any clue who will play quarterback for us this Sunday, but I swear to you, in a weird, very convoluted way, we are in the NFL."

Placing his hand over the microphone, Zorn then spoke briefly with an unidentified man near the stage, and announced that, for what it's worth, the organization owns the Internet domain name washingtonredskins.com through 2010.

I have a question, is getting a fantasy team like this possible?

6-0 is making me feel confident for my Broncos. They REALLY need to step up the offense though. BTW, Eddie Royal rocks all of your faces with a kickoff AND a punt return.

At 10/20/09 02:14 AM, reverend wrote:

Week 7 Schedule:
Green Bay at Cleveland

Green Bay

San Diego at Kansas City

San Diego

Indianapolis at St. Louis

Indianapolis

Minnesota at Pittsburgh

Minnesota

New England at Tampa Bay

New England

San Francisco at Houston

Houston

Buffalo at Carolina

Shit. Umm. Buffalo

NY Jets at Oakland

NYJ

Atlanta at Dallas

Dallas

Chicago at Cincinnati

Chicago

New Orleans at Miami

New Orleans

Arizona at NY Giants

NYG

Philadelphia at Washington

Philly

My picks for week 7.

At 10/18/09 03:24 AM, phileeguy wrote: My week 6 picks:

Well they ended up as garbage. Went 7-7 in a wacky week. I mean I didn't see these upsets coming, although this past weeks Eagles game is exactly the kind of game they blow every year. Apart from that debacle Houston beat Cincy, Washington couldn't score against the Chiefs at home, Sanchez proved to be shaky and threw 5 picks, and Chicago had serious Red-Zone issues. Then again I also got a little cutesy with 2 other picks, which I guess I've got just myself to blame.

At 10/19/09 11:38 AM, Molotov wrote: "And that's why they play the game" - Berman

Damn straight.

At 10/18/09 03:31 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Oh, God!
I forgot to start Drew Brees in one of my fantasy teams :(

Be glad you didn't have Brady and forgot to start him.

At 10/18/09 04:25 PM, EternitySpent wrote: aaaaaand the Ravens channel Scott Norwood all the way to 3-3.
My picks were looking so good this week too, way to blow it Baltimore :(

You know what irks me about that game is that Brett Favre is getting credit for a 4th quarter comeback for that game. Now, technically that is true in the fact that he drove down the field to put the Vikings on top with a made field goal attempt, but he didn't put it in the end-zone. But Joe Flacco did exactly the same thing but his kicker missed the game winner. That one shouldn't have gone in the records of a Favre comeback.

At 10/18/09 07:13 PM, michelinman wrote: <<<<<<< Picked the Raiders over the Eagles.

You're certainly not alone in that shame.

Well I'm glad that wacky week is over.
Week 7 Picks:

Green Bay at Cleveland

Packers

San Diego at Kansas City

Chargers

Indianapolis at St. Louis

Colts

Minnesota at Pittsburgh

Vikings, even though I kinda want to pick the Steelers at home.

New England at Tampa Bay

Pats

San Francisco at Houston

Niners

Buffalo at Carolina

Panthers, even though with the way they're playing I could easily see Buffalo winning

NY Jets at Oakland

Jets; Jets gave the game away, Oakland played decent enough to beat a team that didn't know what they were doing. I can't see both happening 2 weeks in a row.

Atlanta at Dallas

Dallas

Chicago at Cincinnati

Cincinnati, in another pick I feel no comfort in

New Orleans at Miami

Saints

Arizona at NY Giants

Giants

Philadelphia at Washington

Philly. And if they lose this game, well their season is pretty much over.

At 10/20/09 02:14 AM, reverend wrote: Most Wins This Week:
michelinman - 11 wins

It's lonely up at the top. :)

Week 7 Schedule:
Green Bay at Cleveland: GB
San Diego at Kansas City: San Diego
Indianapolis at St. Louis: Indi.
Minnesota at Pittsburgh: Oh damn. Minnesota.
New England at Tampa Bay: New England. (who's gonna pick otherwise after last week?)
San Francisco at Houston: SF
Buffalo at Carolina: Carolina
NY Jets at Oakland: We upset them last year, lets do it again. Raiders.
Atlanta at Dallas: Atlanta
Chicago at Cincinnati: Chicago
New Orleans at Miami: New Orleans
Arizona at NY Giants: Arizona
Philadelphia at Washington: Philly

Week 7 Schedule:
Green Bay at Cleveland

I made a huge mistake picking Detroit last week, but Green Bay played very sloppy. Still, I'm pretty sure the Pack can beat the Browns. Packers.

San Diego at Kansas City

San Diego needs this, and they won't lose to a team that barely beat the Redskins. Chargers.

Indianapolis at St. Louis

Colts. 'nuff said.

Minnesota at Pittsburgh

Possibly the toughest matchup this week, I'll go with the Steelers.

New England at Tampa Bay

If New England can put 59 up on the Titans, I wonder what they can do to the Bucs... Patriots.

San Francisco at Houston

I don't know how I pick the weeks Houston wins. They should be murdering people with the offensive stars they have. However, Crabtree makes his debut this week, and the 49ers Defense hopefully gets a redeemer against Houston. 49ers.

Buffalo at Carolina

Another tough matchup, but Buffalo's pass defense is actually really really good. However, I'm worried about the run. I'll say Buffalo anyways because Carolina will still be stupid enough to pass. Bills.

NY Jets at Oakland

Oakland had a statement game against the Eagles, and they're going to want to continue the trend, especially since the Jets just keep losing. Raiders.

Atlanta at Dallas

Matt Ryan is officially elite. Falcons.

Chicago at Cincinnati

This will be a tight one, but I don't think the Bengals will lose two in a row. Bengals.

New Orleans at Miami

New Orleans continues to dominate. Super Bowl? Saints

Arizona at NY Giants

NY Giants pick themselves up. Giants.

Philadelphia at Washington

Talk about a mismatch. Unless Jason Campbell lights up the Eagles D, it's hopeless. Eagles.

Bye: Denver, Detroit, Tennessee, Seattle, Jacksonville, Baltimore

At 10/20/09 02:21 AM, reverend wrote: Janitor is one thing a multi-million dollar player is another. Football players have a unique talent much like a doctor or a lawyer, etc. If you are losing your life you don't expect a doctor to quit or if you are losing your court case you don't expect your lawyer to pack it in. Titans just quit and the Patriots just handed it to them. Sure they could have pulled Brady but why? There is no mercy rule in the NFL.

There's no difference between a janitor and an NFL player. They all have a certain respect for each other, and completely embarrassing them by taking a 10-inch diameter dildo and shoving it up their asses for 60 minutes is not a way to show it.

I'll give them 35 points before they should have packed it in, like I said before. That's 5 touchdowns that need to be made up. No team, especially one that was 0-5 at the time, will make up that many points. Just use your back-ups, and call it a day. Just because they get paid big money doesn't mean that they should be treated in an unsportsmanlike manner. People get 15 yard penalties and fines for acting unsportsmanlike.

Twenty-four point is only three touchdowns and a field goal. You must have lots of faith in your defense to yank your QB and put in your second stringers. Sure at halftime it was 45-0 but anything can happen and "you play to win the game! Hello!"

They put up more points in 20 minutes than some teams do in an entire game. Hell, they put up more points in the first half than teams do in 3-4 games. The Titans were completely demoralized by the time the Patriots were up 24 or 31 points, and there was no way they were going to make up all of those points. The Patriots were douchebags for putting up so many points.

At 10/20/09 09:41 AM, Fro wrote: I'm all for it right after the half. They pulled them right after it so what's it really matter?

What's your story matter? The Patriots were piling on points after their 4th or 5th touchdown, something completely unnecessary.

The reason they're catching so much flak (at least from me) is for the unsportsmanship of putting up so many points against what they made look like a high school team. As I said earlier, the largest overcome deficit in a game was 36 points (or there abouts), which happened once, in a playoff game. Clearly, that teams were not the 2009/2010 Patriots and Titans. No other team has come close to that record, and the Titans sure as hell weren't going to.

At 10/20/09 07:50 PM, TheThing wrote:

At 10/20/09 09:41 AM, Fro wrote: I'm all for it right after the half. They pulled them right after it so what's it really matter?

What's your story matter? The Patriots were piling on points after their 4th or 5th touchdown, something completely unnecessary.

The reason they're catching so much flak (at least from me) is for the unsportsmanship of putting up so many points against what they made look like a high school team. As I said earlier, the largest overcome deficit in a game was 36 points (or there abouts), which happened once, in a playoff game. Clearly, that teams were not the 2009/2010 Patriots and Titans. No other team has come close to that record, and the Titans sure as hell weren't going to.

It doesn't matter man. If they wanted to rub it in or run the score up they could have scored 100 points that game. They didn't rub it in and they followed the rule of thumb. Or at least it was a rule of thumb when I played in organized football. You can keep some of your starters in for one or two more drives and then after that take them out.

Like I said, you never know what the hell is going to happen. That team that we played was terrible, but they got lucky again after again and ended up making it a close game in just one single quarter even though we were up by 30+ points.

You'd feel like a dick if you took your starters out and the team came back to win right? Even though it's extremely rare and probably won't happen it's much smarter to put a team away rather then let them hang around.

I mean things happen all the time that you are almost 100 percent certain that their not going to happen. I guarantee you that if I told you that the Raiders were going to beat Philly and I'll even give Philly a field goal handicap you would call me crazy.

You would have never known and crazier things have been known to happen in football. Did they need to score that much? No, but it's not even possible to say that it the Titans wouldn't be able to catch up unless you can predict the future. Highly unlikely, but possible.

And how does my story about a team who almost won after a 30 point deficit not mean anything? That doesn't make sense at all. Its a perfect example of assuming that you have put your opponent away. If we would have stayed in two more drives we would have led by over 40 points and we wouldn't had to risk losing the game like we almost did. No different from the Patriot game either as we were elite compared to that team.

At 10/20/09 08:36 PM, Fro wrote:

At 10/20/09 07:50 PM, TheThing wrote:

It doesn't matter man. If they wanted to rub it in or run the score up they could have scored 100 points that game. They didn't rub it in and they followed the rule of thumb. Or at least it was a rule of thumb when I played in organized football. You can keep some of your starters in for one or two more drives and then after that take them out.

Alright, but they went above and beyond "one or two drives". They went 2 or 3 more touchdowns. I'm sure after the score was 31-0, or even 38-0, Belichick would have pulled his starters. But he kept them in for another touchdown or 2 before letting time run out.

Like I said, you never know what the hell is going to happen. That team that we played was terrible, but they got lucky again after again and ended up making it a close game in just one single quarter even though we were up by 30+ points.

That's not professional football. In high school (or whatever level you're talking about), just about everyone is on the same level, with a few exceptions that are better. There are going to be teams that are slightly worse, but when given the opportunity, can win games. Just because the players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money doesn't mean they're all the same. You wouldn't compare, say the Texans defense to the Giants or Ravens defense would you?

You'd feel like a dick if you took your starters out and the team came back to win right?

Of course, you would feel like a dick if, as 36 said, Brady, Moss, or any of the other big names got hurt. They didn't need to be in there when they have such a massive lead, and can always be put back in if the Titans threaten again. It's not like benching Brady for a quarter will suddenly turn his arm muscles into goo; he did just throw for 6 TD's and about 600 yards.

I mean things happen all the time that you are almost 100 percent certain that their not going to happen.

Yeah, every season in every sport, there are upsets and wild finishes. But that's not the same as being 100% sure that a shitty 0-5 team won't score 35 points and make the game close.

Highly unlikely, but possible.

It's possible for 22 monkeys to fly out of my ass, create an NFL team, and win the Super Bowl. Highly unlikely, but possible.

And how does my story about a team who almost won after a 30 point deficit not mean anything? That doesn't make sense at all.

Like I said, there's a difference between a high school team and a professional team.

The Patriots don't owe the Titans anything.

Bellichek and his staff have to do what is best for their team, to hell with anybody else and if that means letting your starting players finish at least the first half, then that's what you do. I would do the exact same thing, the first half is too early to make personnel substitutions because of the score. The convention in a blowout is to do exactly what they did, let your players get their feet wet in the third quarter, then take them out.

Also, you're talking about the Titans like they're a bunch of scared children. They are probably the best 0-6 team in history, though that is small consolation. Tennessee was the BEST team in the NFL last season and they started this year with 2 heartbreaking losses against Pittsburgh and Houston, both games in which they played more then well enough to win. They even looked pretty good against the Jets, from there the wheels have fallen off - but I think a lot of that is due to a snowball effect; you tend to get down on yourself and lose confidence when things are going as bad and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Furthermore, I seem to remember an incident in Pittsburgh last year where the Titans were less than courteous in victory themselves:

At 10/20/09 10:52 PM, EternitySpent wrote: The Patriots don't owe the Titans anything.

Bellichek and his staff have to do what is best for their team, to hell with anybody else and if that means letting your starting players finish at least the first half, then that's what you do. I would do the exact same thing, the first half is too early to make personnel substitutions because of the score. The convention in a blowout is to do exactly what they did, let your players get their feet wet in the third quarter, then take them out.

We're not talking about taking them out during the first half (at least I wasn't). It was after the first half that is being disputed as the time for when to take players out. Normally, in ideal conditions, I would agree that mid way through the third quarter is the time to take out starters in a blow out, but this game was special in regards that it was snowing making conditions much more unpredictable and increasing the risk of injury, and how wide the margin of the score was. A lead of 45 points at half time isn't just a blow out, it's rape.

Also, you're talking about the Titans like they're a bunch of scared children. They are probably the best 0-6 team in history, though that is small consolation. Tennessee was the BEST team in the NFL last season and they started this year with 2 heartbreaking losses against Pittsburgh and Houston, both games in which they played more then well enough to win. They even looked pretty good against the Jets, from there the wheels have fallen off - but I think a lot of that is due to a snowball effect; you tend to get down on yourself and lose confidence when things are going as bad and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I concede that the Titans playing badly was their own fault for not being adequately prepared, even though interviews with Jeff Fischer said otherwise that the Titans actually felt good going into the game. Even so, the argument that the Patriots were trying to take care of their own team doesn't make sense when you were really putting their team out there at an increased risk even when the win was in the bag.

Furthermore, I seem to remember an incident in Pittsburgh last year where the Titans were less than courteous in victory themselves:

So you do admit that the Patriots were being douchebags and you support their decisions. Remember, the Patriots made this kind of behavior a trend in 2007-2008 and many of the teams they did it to, didn't have anyone involved in an incident like that in the picture. The best thing to say to that situation is that two wrongs don't make a right.

On a side note, I have Tom Brady on two fantasy teams and I hope that if this situation happens again this year, and the Patriots start doing this again, that he gets injured and goes out for the season. It'd be a fitting lesson for the Patriots and their fans who support this.

At 10/21/09 02:19 AM, 36Holla wrote:

This.

Furthermore, I seem to remember an incident in Pittsburgh last year where the Titans were less than courteous in victory themselves:

So you do admit that the Patriots were being douchebags and you support their decisions. Remember, the Patriots made this kind of behavior a trend in 2007-2008 and many of the teams they did it to, didn't have anyone involved in an incident like that in the picture. The best thing to say to that situation is that two wrongs don't make a right.

Besides, there's a difference between stomping on a towel and humiliating another team. It was a fucking towel, get over it. Just because it was something that fans wave around to support the Steelers doesn't mean that it's like disemboweling a team, then lynching them with their small intestines as small children danced around them and hit them with sticks, which is what the Patriots did.

Week 7 Schedule:

Green Bay at Cleveland

Packers

San Diego at Kansas City

Chargers

Indianapolis at St. Louis

Colts

Minnesota at Pittsburgh

Vikings

New England at Tampa Bay

Patriots

San Francisco at Houston

Texans

Buffalo at Carolina

Bills

NY Jets at Oakland

Jets

Atlanta at Dallas

Cowboys

Chicago at Cincinnati

Bears

New Orleans at Miami

Saints

Arizona at NY Giants

Giants

Philadelphia at Washington

Eagles

I'm just leave this here. Feel free to discuss whether Belichick will run up the score on a Tampa Bay team who has no known offense or defense in London.

At 10/20/09 02:14 AM, reverend wrote:

Week 6 Standings

[Rank] [ W - L ] [ Win% ] [ User, Win% Rank ]
>>>14 ] [ 44 - 30 ] [ .595% ] [ SlntCobra1, 15 ]
Cool, I'm moving up in the ranks.

Week 7 Schedule:

Green Bay at Cleveland: Packers
San Diego at Kansas City: Chiefs, I just hate the Chargers. :P
Indianapolis at St. Louis: Colts, I like Peyton Manning.
Minnesota at Pittsburgh: As much as I like Favre, I'm gonna have to side with the Steelers.
New England at Tampa Bay: Patriots
San Francisco at Houston: 49ers.
Buffalo at Carolina: Carolina!!!!!!!
NY Jets at Oakland: Raiders.
Atlanta at Dallas: Cowboys.
Chicago at Cincinnati: Bears.
New Orleans at Miami: Saints.
Arizona at NY Giants: Giants. Super Manning Bros.
Philadelphia at Washington: Eagles.

Now, I play the waiting game, yet again.

At 10/21/09 02:19 AM, 36Holla wrote: We're not talking about taking them out during the first half (at least I wasn't). I

So you're just saying Brady-Moss shouldn't have played in the second half at all? That may be just, but I don't see what harm the like 1 drive/TD they scored at the beginning of the third quarter did.

Even so, the argument that the Patriots were trying to take care of their own team doesn't make sense

I think it does. If this game was 2 years ago, maybe you're right: Brady shouldn't even leave the locker room after halftime and we'd all be like: "Those crazy Patriots, at it again." But this is a Patriots offense that so far this season has been struggling, the Brady-Moss-connection in particular, and they definitely had something to prove. I think they just needed to get a little bit of that Patriot-swagger back and what better way to do that, then with a game like this.

So you do admit that the Patriots were being douchebags and you support their decisions.

Yeah the Patriots are pretty much douchebags, I mean that's no secret. But of all the incidents/controversy that has been associated with this team, this is one of the few cases where I would consider them relatively blameless.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with you guys, because ultimately it doesn't matter - Belichek isn't one to give two shits about what anyone says or thinks about him anyway, I think we all know that.

At 10/21/09 11:20 PM, TheThing wrote: Besides, there's a difference between stomping on a towel and humiliating another team.

Not really. The point of defacing the towel WAS to humiliate the other team. It's an act of unsportsmanlike conduct, which is what the Patriots are being accused of here.

At 10/20/09 10:03 PM, TheThing wrote:

Alright, but they went above and beyond "one or two drives". They went 2 or 3 more touchdowns. I'm sure after the score was 31-0, or even 38-0, Belichick would have pulled his starters. But he kept them in for another touchdown or 2 before letting time run out.

You keep your starters in till half time. That's obvious. When it's snowing like that you don't know what could happen. Your backup QB (who hasn't played yet this year) could get sacked fumble in the bad weather and they could return it for a touchdown, etc.. Onside kicks, blah blah blah. If a team can score that many points in a half then obviously another team could score that many points in the second half.

That's why you stop them for 1 or 2 drives after halftime and then you pull your starters. That's exactly what they did. After drive number 1 they pulled their starters and back ups were in. Remember that after that first drive the points that they scored were from their back ups.

That's not professional football. In high school (or whatever level you're talking about),

Actually I have played semi-professional football, which is still professional football. I haven't seen as big of upsets before, but I do remember being in a game that we were up by 14-0 at halftime and we ended up losing 40 something to 14, at a semipro level, with ex NFL players, college players, etc...

just about everyone is on the same level, with a few exceptions that are better.

This right here tells me that you know nothing about football or that you haven't ever played in your life. Perhaps you can pick the NFL games, because hell anyone can pick NFL games. If anything it's the total opposite of what you just said and it only takes a little bit of common sense to even figure that out.

In high school everyone makes your team. Even if they aren't any good you have to throw them in there if you don't have anyone better. I remember playing a team where their best player was their fullback, who by the way was a girl. (literally)

We ended up scoring over 60 points on them maybe with back ups in after half time.

Now in college and in the NFL the players are much more closer in terms of talent simply because if they weren't material enough they wouldn't be in the NFL. That means at any moment any of those wide receivers, running backs, defensive backs, etc... can score a touchdown because hell their good enough to be payed to do it. There are going to be teams that are slightly worse, but when given the opportunity, can win games. Just because the players are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money doesn't mean they're all the same.

It's not like benching Brady for a quarter will suddenly turn his arm muscles into goo; he did just throw for 6 TD's and about 600 yards.

They did bench him for over a quarter and a half...

Highly unlikely, but possible.

It's possible for 22 monkeys to fly out of my ass, create an NFL team, and win the Super Bowl. Highly unlikely, but possible.

I see. You simply don't understand the difference between impossible and unlikely. That's obviously impossible.

Anyway, I guess I'm done with the subject as we have different views on it. Neither being wrong in itself. I see where you are coming from and would have probably pulled my starters after half time, but if anyone has ever been in game before where a team has caught up you will learn to put them away quickly as it's much easier to rest your players for almost the entire third quarter and fourth quarter instead of having the other team catch up and you have to bring your starters back in late in the fourth with more risk of injury.

At 10/20/09 02:14 AM, reverend wrote: Week 6 Standings

Most Wins This Week:
michelinman - 11 wins

* Sits quietly in 2nd place with 10 wins*

[Rank] [ W - L ] [ Win% ] [ User, Win% Rank ]

>>>06 ] [ 59 - 30 ] [ .663% ] [ Fro, 7 ]

Looks like I'm currently in a good spot to either move down or up in ranks. One good week could almost put me to the top and one bad week could put me down quite a few ranks.

Week 7 Schedule:
Green Bay at Cleveland

Green Bay

San Diego at Kansas City

San Diego

Indianapolis at St. Louis

Colts

Minnesota at Pittsburgh

Vikings

New England at Tampa Bay

New England

San Francisco at Houston

Houston

Buffalo at Carolina

Carolina

NY Jets at Oakland

Jets

Atlanta at Dallas

Atlanta

Chicago at Cincinnati

Chicago

New Orleans at Miami

New Orleans

Arizona at NY Giants

Giants

Philadelphia at Washington

Philly