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At 8/14/09 12:20 AM, Matt2358 wrote: Everyone read this article, and you will understand.

thats not true, retro games arent called casual, wii sports is pretty far from retro, and even if it looked like gears of war, it would still be casual

At 8/14/09 12:20 AM, Matt2358 wrote: Everyone read this article, and you will understand.

I'm half way through right now and i agree and disagree so far. I can agree about how people can view retro games as casual without even playing them.

I doubt that many newgrounders could read something this long. Most of them leave a TLDR remark on things not even a tenth of this size. I see them as casual readers in the same way the industry looks at the gamers according to this article.

At 8/14/09 09:47 AM, AronKong wrote: Fuck the wii.

AronKong: Age/Gender: 13, Male

You watch your god damn language, young man!

Little do the hardcore elitists realize that back when gaming was new, all the games they grew up with and loved (provided, of course, that they were born before the Playstation) would fall under the category of "casual".

Super Mario Bros, a game that is loved by all, is understood by everyone, even those who don't play games: you pick up the controller, run, collect mushrooms, and kill turtles, and it's fun.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles, whom the zealots of the series consider the alpha and omega of games, is pick-up-and-play as well: you run, collect mushrooms, and destroy robots, and it's fun.

Compare that to other games like Street Fighter IV and Halo, which, while by all means fun, aren't exactly beginner-friendly: a newb to either game will lose often, since they don't understand the intricacys of counters, combos, or a rocket launcher to the back.

This is the reason why the Wii is currently the best-selling console this generation: because the majority of its games are easy, fun, and enjoyable to all.

It's human nature to hate that which is successful...

At 8/14/09 02:34 PM, The777Demon wrote: I'm half way through right now and i agree and disagree so far. I can agree about how people can view retro games as casual without even playing them.

Retro games are casual. Most of them dont even take more than 10 hours to beat were fun and, you can pick them up and put them down, they dont have a steep learning curve, there aren't really any tutorial stages or a need for them. There are a few that are difficult, but overall, you could be good at a game pretty easily, if not, youwould improve going through the stages a few times.

Games now strive for over 10 hours of gameplay, replayability or an online feature, which elevates them to a point where you have to get good at the game to even play it with others, because theres this clique now. You cant learn in an online setting because people wont play with you if youre new, and the opponents kill you immediately, and playing against the computer isnt as efficient because the computer is easier than a real opponent.

That is as I see it, Arcade style games are different because they do have a steeper learning curve, and more difficulty, as they were designed so you would feed the machine quarter after quarter and such, but for the most part, comparing older games to modern games like Halo, Guitar Hero, Call of Duty or something else, even an RPG or some sort of "Action-Adventure" game where the game has like a backstory, a plot, and a more complex story all around than an older game's plot which would be "Get all the coins, Rescue the Princess, Etc." I consider those games more casual.

At 8/14/09 03:47 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Wii
the majority of its games are easy, fun, and enjoyable to all.

Ehm, isn't it the opposite?

At 8/14/09 04:19 PM, Crumption wrote:

At 8/14/09 03:47 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Wii
the majority of its games are easy, fun, and enjoyable to all.

Ehm, isn't it the opposite?

Obviously, you've never played a game on the Wii.

At 8/14/09 04:22 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 8/14/09 04:19 PM, Crumption wrote:

At 8/14/09 03:47 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Wii
the majority of its games are easy, fun, and enjoyable to all.

Ehm, isn't it the opposite?

Obviously, you've never played a game on the Wii.

No, I have almost every game rated above an average of a 75% for it, unfortunately. I find most of them to be overrated shit that have practically no depth to them, and are just somewhat below average in every aspect. Almost all of them would be worthless if it weren't for the fact that they have some uniqueness to them because they utilize the wii remote.

Almost the ones made by nintendo itself are great, but a high percent of all others are just garbage. Even with counting all the ones that are good and enjoyable, there are only a few which I consider special, and will bother to come back to.

Yeah, especially the Sonic games. They suck ass. Plus Wii Sports Resort has sold over 10 mil. copies the first 2 days it came out. Now try andsay the Wii is bad.

I have a Wii and a 360, not sure to get a PS3
And I am noting saying the Wii is bad, it has better children's games.

At 8/14/09 05:00 PM, Barrelsfox wrote: I have a Wii and a 360, not sure to get a PS3
And I am noting saying the Wii is bad, it has better children's games.

Them's is fightin' words.

Anyway, I still stand by the fact the Wii was a success. Because it had a goal, and it achieved it.

The Wii is actually, bad once the novelty wears off. The only people who really stick with it are old gamers who want it for nostalgia's sake and little kids who love the control scheme, and frankly even then they should know better.

At 8/13/09 09:49 AM, physicsman09 wrote: The Wii is good toy, not a good console.

For a few minutes of fun it's great, if you want to hang out with some friends and play tennis or something it's amazing.

Basically, Nintendo wanted to make something with a huge market, they succeeded.

Yes. Excellent logic.
To me, the main problem with the Wii is that not only has it been too marketed toward kids an older people, but it simply doesn't have the power of other consoles. The Wii version of Dead Rising was a great example of this. ( I still own it, but only for lulz.) Compared to the original, the graphics were poorer, the areas were smaller, and there were FAR less zombies. Sure, the gimmicks with the Wiimote were kind of cool, like swinging the controller to brain a zombeh with a baseball bat, but it wasn't the same. Now, the Wii does have good titles, but like a lot of you guys said, they are all first-party titles like SSB, and Mario Galaxy/Baseball/Strikers/Kart/Shopping/W hatever. Virtual Console titles are mice and nostalgic, but still not worth the price. If nintendo wants to get their claws into gamers, they need to focus on making a more powerful system, and they need to invest in more mature games. This also holds true with the DS or DSi or whatever crappy handheld they have these days...But that's another thread alltogether.

At 8/14/09 04:07 PM, PenguinKommando wrote:

At 8/14/09 02:34 PM, The777Demon wrote: I'm half way through right now and i agree and disagree so far. I can agree about how people can view retro games as casual without even playing them.

Retro games are casual. Most of them dont even take more than 10 hours to beat were fun and, you can pick them up and put them down, they dont have a steep learning curve,

The Contra series would like to have a word with you. X3

All joking aside, that is ONE of the reasons that nintendo was so successfull early on; they made great, if simplistic time wasting games which were much better than anything on the market at the time. Gamers went to them because frankl, they didn't have much of a choice.

I don't beleive the wii sucks its only problems for me thoug are brawls lag time, lack of the great games on the 360 and PS3 and Friend Codes and No DVD action I hope Nitendo learns from these mistakes on their next system

At 8/14/09 07:10 PM, Cadfad22 wrote: I don't beleive the wii sucks its only problems for me thoug are brawls lag time

Agree'd, although the lag wasn't as bad for me as it might've been for you...

lack of the great games on the 360 and PS3

It has it's own classics, though, such as No More Heroes, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Galaxy, and Tatsunoko vs Capcom

and Friend Codes

Again, agree'd.

and No DVD action

DVD players should be dirt cheap at this point.

At 8/14/09 03:41 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 8/14/09 09:47 AM, AronKong wrote: Fuck the wii.

AronKong: Age/Gender: 13, Male

You watch your god damn language, young man!

With every user currently online in this forum, are all the names dark orange because you visited their profile to find their age? Even if I was taking your side on whether or not younger users are inferior, I'd still be pissed at you for not giving it a rest.

Do I need to pull this out again? Because I will.

F***, you made me do it.

At 8/14/09 08:15 PM, Gustavos wrote:

With every user currently online in this forum, are all the names dark orange because you visited their profile to find their age? Even if I was taking your side on whether or not younger users are inferior, I'd still be pissed at you for not giving it a rest.

I'm sorry, Gus, but whenever someone gets their retard on, my first thought is that it's because they are young, because 99% of the time, young people are stupid. They are a discredit to your age group and are the cancer that is killing /everything good in the world/.

At 8/14/09 08:20 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: young people are stupid. They are a discredit to your age group

Aww, how sweet of you.

and are the cancer that is killing /everything good in the world/.

To be fair, it's the internet, not the world. We're not in the 22nd Century yet, kids don't make any decisions that affect the world in any way. But kids do have access to the internet. And sometimes they get out of their Myspaces and end up on Youtube. And once they make accounts they can make that site's community even worse. And eventually, they'll hear of another site, and go there and make an account so they can bring even more people down without knowing it. So cancer would be the correct word. If not, than "virus", but I wouldn't go so far as to say that.

You just have to stop bringing the young users down, assaulting them about their age. A lot of the time when I see you do it, it's unjustified.

At 8/14/09 09:22 PM, Gustavos wrote: To be fair, it's the internet, not the world.

Twilight, Jonas Bros., and Hananh Montana beg to differ.

At 8/14/09 10:34 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 8/14/09 09:22 PM, Gustavos wrote: To be fair, it's the internet, not the world.

Twilight, Jonas Bros., and Hananh Montana beg to differ.

That's just Disney, my friend. Disney is the worst corporate leader of the world.

At 8/14/09 10:59 PM, Gustavos wrote:

At 8/14/09 10:34 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 8/14/09 09:22 PM, Gustavos wrote: To be fair, it's the internet, not the world.

Twilight, Jonas Bros., and Hananh Montana beg to differ.

That's just Disney, my friend. Disney is the worst corporate leader of the world.

True that: they damn near ruined Ponyo.

At 8/15/09 12:10 AM, KeithHybrid wrote:
True that: they damn near ruined Ponyo.

What!? They dare touched one of that great man's movies!? What did they do? What happenned?

At 8/13/09 07:22 AM, Jerich0 wrote: Sony Playstation invented CD's Take that nintendo!

lol

At 8/15/09 01:09 AM, Gustavos wrote:

At 8/15/09 12:10 AM, KeithHybrid wrote:
True that: they damn near ruined Ponyo.

What!? They dare touched one of that great man's movies!? What did they do? What happenned?

Two words: Cyrus and Jonas

Luckily for me, my love for Studio Ghibli outways my hatred for New Disney...

At 8/16/09 02:14 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: Two words: Cyrus and Jonas

In a way, that's three words.

Why Is this thread not dead yet :O

At 8/16/09 02:18 AM, iCurrie wrote:

At 8/16/09 02:14 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: Two words: Cyrus and Jonas

In a way, that's three words.

Sorry, I failed remedial math. Twice. D:

I am kind of Pissed at the way the Wii is being treated like a toy instead of a serious gaming machine, so instead of putting effort into making games that you can play as a game, they put so much effort into making games you mess around with, and experiment with, then grow bored of and buy something else.

To be honest, this isn't a horrible business practice, but it is bad for there loyal fans, there's no good reason they can't make alot of "Toys" and then put side effort into developing a bunch of solid gaming titles, would be pretty interesting to see what they can make if they put effort into it.

I am also a little dissapointed at the graphics quality of the Wii, I am not a graphics whore, nor do I really care what a game looks like, but when "startling new graphics" on the wii looks like the bastard child of a n64 game, and a gamecube game, I get a little peeved.

this is coming from someone that Only owns a 360 and has only played a Wii for 2 months when I was visiting my parents.

At 8/16/09 02:14 AM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 8/15/09 01:09 AM, Gustavos wrote:
What!? They dare touched one of that great man's movies!? What did they do? What happenned?

Two words: Cyrus and Jonas

W-what are you saying? Are you just using those two as examples of how shitty Disney is, which, by the way, everybody can agree on? Or...are you saying that...oh god I can't even imagine...

Seriously though, what did they do to Ponyo? I haven't seen the movie yet. Is it awesome?

At 8/16/09 02:58 AM, Gustavos wrote: W-what are you saying? Are you just using those two as examples of how shitty Disney is, which, by the way, everybody can agree on? Or...are you saying that...oh god I can't even imagine...

They do voice-work for the movie! D:

Though to be fair, they are the lesser known of their carcinogenic clans: Noah Cyrus and the youngest Jonas, so they aren't as cancerous.

Seriously though, what did they do to Ponyo? I haven't seen the movie yet. Is it awesome?

Me neither. Like I said, my love for Miyazaki's work outweighs my dislike for Disney, so I'm still gonna see it