Fonda & Vietnam

[ZombieLennon]

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR

This is for all the kids born in and after the 70's that do not remember/know about this, and
didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never
known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific
men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat. In
1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo
Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a
visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd
received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's
feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered
from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the
Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65,
Col.
Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 -years in the
"Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife
lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the
cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN
on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are
you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once
the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she
turned
to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three
men
died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but
he survived, which is the only reason we know about, her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured
by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for
over 5 years. I spent
27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one
year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban
me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian
border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately
90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war
criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I
would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different
from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane
Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a
rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel
placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I
was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She
did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years
of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never
include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many
patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It
will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will
never forget.
(I never wrote this. A friend of mine did. Any thoughts?)

[Freakapotimus]

I've read about this at the Urban Legends Reference Pages (http://www.snopes.com/) and I've copied a bit of the article here. It's too long to paste here (so here's the URL: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/fonda.htm )

In 1988, sixteen years after denouncing American soldiers as war criminals and tortured POWs as possessed of overactive imaginations, Fonda met with Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. It's interesting to note that this nationally-televised apology (during which she attempted to minimize her actions by characterizing them as "thoughtless and careless") came at a time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project she was working on. It's also interesting that not only was this apology delivered sixteen years after the fact, but it has not been offered again since. More than a few have read a huge dollop of self-interest into Fonda's 1988 apology. (Finally, in an interview in 2000, almost thirty years after the fact, Fonda admitted: "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.")

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Damn I had no idea, at first I was totally in full and utter disbelief of any possibly that the note slipping thing was in anyway close to the truth but then when It listed all the sources at the bottom it shocked me.

[shorbe]

I've read that before.

Simple solution: Never trust anyone in Hollywood. They probably had to step on a few to get to the top, so they won't think twice about doing the same to you.

shorbe

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/11/01 05:02 AM, shorbe wrote: I've read that before.

Simple solution: Never trust anyone in Hollywood. They probably had to step on a few to get to the top, so they won't think twice about doing the same to you.

Ehh, Now that I read it over, It's a bit sketchy as to where the specific location of the "note slipping incident" occured. That's mainly what I consider to be offensive, although I don't agree with most of the other BS, it's not treason like the note slipping incident should be. I would like to have this fact verified, if anyone could help I would be much abliged.

[LaserBeamBandit]

At 7/26/01 07:04 PM, BaDshakespeare wrote: KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR

Damn it, I am joining the military after highschool and I don't want to go protecting this country for bitches like here. She shouldn't be one of the greatest women in 100 years, she should go to trial for treason and executed!