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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-23 07:14:50 Reply

At 6/22/13 08:00 AM, Dean wrote:
You serious?

You're correct, I do live in the U.S. and yeah Gamecubes/PS2/Xboxs are starting to become a rare commodity. I guess I worded that incorrectly, what I meant was if you have the option always opt for new vs. used. Of course decades after the console has long since ceased production you'll have no choice, just make sure you use fair judgement and make sure you're getting it for the bottom dollar. (especially if in person, haggle that shit like it's no tomorrow) I buy games and accessories used, but honestly I forego systems themselves, because I know I can find them for cutting edge prices online brand new with a warranty. Even with the serious retro collectors hogging up more than their share of the market there is plenty to go around.

Just now I looked on Ebay under new Gamecubes and there were at least 2 pages for under $40 with free shipping. PS2 brand new is listed for around $60-75(slim model), Xbox is in the same price range and all have used bundle lots with 20+ games for slightly more.

At 6/22/13 10:50 AM, VoidForce wrote:
I've got the game on my (family's) Wii so I've played it pretty far. I got stuck in Ikana Canyon I believe it was called, the fourth major area outside of Clock Town. There's really nothing like owning the actual cartridge though, is there? I'd probably rank it third in my Zelda titles too. I think this calls for another list:

My favorite part of the game is swimming around with the Zora mask and the dialogue the townsfolk give as the end of the world nears. It's worth noting also I love how the map intertwines itself on several occasions. The story has NOTHING to do with Ganon and instead focuses on retrieving a very special mask from skullkid to halt the moon from crushing ClockTown. This game focused far more on TIME than Ocarina of TIME did because the player only has three days before Armageddon. The entire time you play the meter is slowly ticking down, always a looming presence, and it is BECAUSE you don't have an endless supply to go fishing or galloping on Epona that I enjoy the game even more. In-arguably this game has a greater focus on time than any other game in the series, between the song of double time to the inverted song of time to slow time. Some events were only possible at certain times on specific days as well, which adds a profound amount of depth to exploration. MM broke from the norm in many aspects and we're just touching the surface.

Then there is sidequests and the game had no shortage of these either. Throughout the game as you take on many people's requests you begin to learn and sympathize for the characters. Character development for npcs is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off well and MM does it phenomenally. My favorite being the Anju and Kafei sidequest where the two lovers are engaged, but Kafei is too afriad to show his face to Anju so he puts on a mask and runs away. If you don't do anything Anju will wait until the very last day for Kafei to show up, in defiance of the certain death the moon will bring her. over the course of the days you can talk to Anju and she will confess how worried she is about him. Anju's grandmother reveals that she believes Kafei to have loved another girl, Cremia, and it was up to you to set things right. Through a series of adventures that spans multiple days, the two are reunited in the doomed city ready to be together until the bitter end.

Another is late in the game when you need to help a girl's father that has been turned into a gibdo. She doesn't know what to do and gibdos are circling her house. She's terrified and and Link is the only one who can give the girl her father back. After Link returns him to normal, the girl cries and runs up to embrace her father. In the background the Song of Healing plays, tugging on your soul. MM is scattered with emotionally draining sub plots.

The music is some of the best the series has to offer and the mask overhaul system carried over from OOT was interesting. Collecting all the masks to each serve a very different and vital function allowed for deeper gameplay mechanics and the transformation sequence was downright creepy.

One last thing I want to talk about, the villian. Ganon is no where to be scene in this game and I honestly not only didn't mind I loved it. See, Ganon isn't PURE evil, despite what we've been led to believe. He wants to RULE, not destroy everything, so he leaves the townsfolk of Kakariko, etc at peace. If he were truly the king of evil he would have ruthlessly hunted down every last citizen. That's not how he is though, he needs subjects to rule. Not only is Majora's Mask more EVIL, but it's also arguably more powerful. It had the ability to pull the moon out of it;s orbit to come straight down onto Termina, afterall.

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Ocarina of Time > Twilight Princess > Majora's Mask > Oracle of Seasons > Oracle of Ages > Minish Cap > A Link to the Past > Link's Awakening > Legend of Zelda > Skyward Sword > Phantom Hourglass > Four Swords.

After heavy consideration and weighing the pros and cons of the games I changed my mind and placed MM 2nd. It really does improve upon multiple areas of OOT, gamers just are clouded by either nostalgia or ignorance.

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Link To The Past > Majora's Mask > Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker > Skyward Sword > Oracle of Seasons/Ages > Twilight Princess > Legend of Zelda > Adventure of Link > Everything else

As much as I'd love to hate on Wind Waker, I'm not going to until I've given the game a proper attempt. I only played it briefly at a friend's place years back and I reckon I'd thoroughly enjoy it. One of my issues with it (admittedly it shouldn't be, it's meant to be fun regardless) was timeline placement. Now that it's confirmed to not be in the same timeline as Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess I can enjoy the world without having "look at what happened" in the back of my mind. I still reckon I'll have a few problems with the Koroks and Rito evolving from the Kokiri and Zoras, but I want to appreciate it for what it is.

I loved Wind Waker and anybody who says they didn't probably dislikes it for the wrong reasons. It had a vast, explorable world littered with secrets and fresh characters to the series. The art style still holds up to this day, being one of the best looking Gamecube titles. The OST was brilliant and really carved it's own signature blend of tunes for the series. It had all the great hallmarks of a Zelda game, but it was all new and was given a glossy paint-job.

The only Zelda games that I've played and not liked have been Skyward Sword, Phantom Hourglass and Four Swords.

What are you reasonings for not liking Skyward Sword? I felt the Link-Zelda relationship story bits were a bit hammy and there weren't nearly enough areas to explore, but besides that it was excellent. Four swords isn't a stand alone Zelda title, so I don't hold it nearly to the same examination. Good for an afternoon or two of multi-player with friends and nothing more really, I don't really have a lot to say about the game.

At 6/22/13 09:47 PM, Makeshift wrote: Holy crap, Journey was extremely short. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet... it was pretty incredible visually, but like, $15 was a decent chunk of money for such a short experience. Hm..

I spent $20 on Journey and don't consider it wasted, quality over quantity mate. The game was a unique experience that accomplished exactly what it set out to do and didn't feel the need to fluff the player with filler content. Besides a year or two from now you might end up playing and enjoying it again, so it may not be the end of the road. If you haven't already checked it out, Flower was made by the same company and is very similar in presentation and vibe. Also cheaper in comparison.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-23 10:57:59 Reply

At 6/23/13 07:14 AM, Elixur wrote: My favorite part of the game is swimming around with the Zora mask and the dialogue the townsfolk give as the end of the world nears. It's worth noting also I love how the map intertwines itself on several occasions. The story has NOTHING to do with Ganon and instead focuses on retrieving a very special mask from skullkid to halt the moon from crushing ClockTown. This game focused far more on TIME than Ocarina of TIME did because the player only has three days before Armageddon. The entire time you play the meter is slowly ticking down, always a looming presence, and it is BECAUSE you don't have an endless supply to go fishing or galloping on Epona that I enjoy the game even more. In-arguably this game has a greater focus on time than any other game in the series, between the song of double time to the inverted song of time to slow time. Some events were only possible at certain times on specific days as well, which adds a profound amount of depth to exploration. MM broke from the norm in many aspects and we're just touching the surface.

It definite is a lot time focused ironically, haha. If you really think about it though, the Skull Kid only really wanted to have friends which drove him to Majora's Mask and everything that followed.

Another is late in the game when you need to help a girl's father that has been turned into a gibdo. She doesn't know what to do and gibdos are circling her house. She's terrified and and Link is the only one who can give the girl her father back. After Link returns him to normal, the girl cries and runs up to embrace her father. In the background the Song of Healing plays, tugging on your soul. MM is scattered with emotionally draining sub plots.

The Gibdo Man was terrifying the first time I saw him. Not quite at the level of ReDead terrifying, but up there. The ReDead themselves lost the fear a little bit by making them dance with the Captain's Hat (I think it was that one?). The sidequests were all great though, I particularly remember finding the injured man who couldn't be seen without the Lens of Truth because he was wearing the Stone Mask. That was a nice little thing to discover.

The music is some of the best the series has to offer and the mask overhaul system carried over from OOT was interesting. Collecting all the masks to each serve a very different and vital function allowed for deeper gameplay mechanics and the transformation sequence was downright creepy.

The transformation for Link was horrifying, he always sounded like he was in such agony. It was also cool to piece together that the Deku Butler's son is Link's Deku Mask and that his corpse is that mangled tree at the very start of the game.

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I definitely will, it's been a fair amount of years since I played it. Hopefully I'll have an update by the weekend about my progress.

What are you reasonings for not liking Skyward Sword? I felt the Link-Zelda relationship story bits were a bit hammy and there weren't nearly enough areas to explore, but besides that it was excellent. Four swords isn't a stand alone Zelda title, so I don't hold it nearly to the same examination. Good for an afternoon or two of multi-player with friends and nothing more really, I don't really have a lot to say about the game.

I hated the Skyloft concept, driving around on that stupid bird and the whole open world thing felt abandoned. The creator himself said that it was made so the Zelda series could evolve, but it didn't need to evolve at all. What I will give credit to is the implementation of Wii Motion Plus, it made the movements feel natural. Somewhat annoyingly though, I'm left-handed like Link is meant to be and they made him right handed to accomodate for most people. I have no doubt that they could have made him switch between arms and just didn't bother.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-23 12:40:05 Reply

At 6/23/13 07:14 AM, Elixur wrote: I spent $20 on Journey and don't consider it wasted, quality over quantity mate. The game was a unique experience that accomplished exactly what it set out to do and didn't feel the need to fluff the player with filler content. Besides a year or two from now you might end up playing and enjoying it again, so it may not be the end of the road. If you haven't already checked it out, Flower was made by the same company and is very similar in presentation and vibe. Also cheaper in comparison.

It's only the next day and I'm wanting to play through it again. I guess its length is sort of appealing to me now because I don't have to dedicated a long day or two to experience it again. Played the demo for Flower a while ago, but I don't think I'll be buying it anytime soon. All the money I have right now needs to be saved for the Steam summer sales.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-24 15:55:50 Reply

Damn, PC games can so much cheaper than people think. They say, "oh yeah, a few great deals in the summer and winter on Steam and some games $10 cheaper", but it's much more than that. Just bought Company of Heroes 2 from someone for $29. Switching to PC in the end was the much greater decision not only for better looking games, but financially.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-24 18:06:14 Reply

At 6/24/13 03:55 PM, Makeshift wrote: Damn, PC games can so much cheaper than people think. They say, "oh yeah, a few great deals in the summer and winter on Steam and some games $10 cheaper", but it's much more than that. Just bought Company of Heroes 2 from someone for $29. Switching to PC in the end was the much greater decision not only for better looking games, but financially.

The Steam Summer Sale should start pretty soon I'm guessing. Most games get like a 75% discount at some point, so keep a close eye on the daily deals if there any particular games you want.

And yeah, especially getting older games via Steam is often far cheaper than buying second hand console versions.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-24 19:10:09 Reply

At 6/22/13 03:30 PM, Natick wrote: (tali, garrus, thane and jack died)

You're a horrible person. I've never had that many die, I think the most was Jack and Grunt (jack being the hardest to keep alive, for me anyway)

At 6/22/13 04:28 PM, HipnikDragomir wrote: Before playing 2, I watched a quick playthrough of 1 (not on PS3 at the time), so I didn't get much out of it. Is it just choosing between Hooker Lips and Mr. Eyebrows?

You also influence whether or not Wrex dies, and the council. Mass Effect 1 is worth playing.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-25 08:08:19 Reply

Check out what I picked up! I've been so excited for Legends, I thought I might as well take a trip down memory lane, and again, ten years later, this game is STILL kicking my ass.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-25 11:50:57 Reply

At 6/24/13 07:10 PM, Jackho wrote: You also influence whether or not Wrex dies, and the council. Mass Effect 1 is worth playing.

Indeed, I am playing it now. Combat is ass, but oh well. In the second, I was able to use the prologue comic and I recall the council being douchebags (probably because the playthrough I watched was renegade), so I killed them off. That, I regret.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-25 16:35:15 Reply

At 6/24/13 06:06 PM, Auz wrote: The Steam Summer Sale should start pretty soon I'm guessing. Most games get like a 75% discount at some point, so keep a close eye on the daily deals if there any particular games you want.

I haven't played it yet so I don't know if it was a bad idea, but I just went ahead and bought Mojang's new game Scrolls. It looks like the sort of game I would really like, but of course those Steam sales are coming up and I don't have a lot left for them. I'm really hoping they don't start until July, but a lot of people think they'll actually start this Thursday. If it's in July I might have over $100 instead of the $20 or so I've left myself with. I might get into some money borrowing if the sales start this week...


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-26 03:41:07 Reply

So far I don't regret buying Scrolls one bit. This game is great... anyone else have it?


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At 6/26/13 03:41 AM, Makeshift wrote: So far I don't regret buying Scrolls one bit. This game is great... anyone else have it?

I was interested in giving the game a shot but it's a little more expensive than I was anticipating. Still not really that expensive, but more than I'm willing to pay for it right now. It does look pretty interesting though.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-26 13:34:05 Reply

zeta metroids why don't you FUCK OFF this game is bullshit

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-26 20:23:35 Reply

Beat Metroid II. Frustrating as hell. Looking to get Super or Prime soon.

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At 6/26/13 08:23 PM, Jackho wrote: Beat Metroid II. Frustrating as hell. Looking to get Super or Prime soon.

I should start emulating some games on my phone... my SNES died in Cuba because of their shotty electricity so there's a lot of games I can't play on that now and I don't own a Gameboy anymore. Emulating on my Galaxy S3 actually isn't too bad. Pretty big screen and the emulators are decent. I can also pick the games up while playing games on my PC, which is what I've been doing recently. Been playing Scrolls, Company of Heroes 2, and a bit of SimCity now that it isn't so broken.

At 6/26/13 06:36 AM, Dean wrote: I was interested in giving the game a shot but it's a little more expensive than I was anticipating. Still not really that expensive, but more than I'm willing to pay for it right now. It does look pretty interesting though.

I was really cautious about buying it because of that price, but TotalBiscuit went on about how much he loves it and it just looks like my type of thing. Unfortunately the starter deck I chose (you can choose between 3 resource types) is a bit unbalanced right now. I basically can't play online without getting decimated. I'm slowly picking up other scrolls from a different resource type to mix into my deck and make things a bit easier before an update. The game is still fun though.

I also managed to get some more money for Steam sales, so if it starts today (which I'm doubting) I'll be ready.


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At 6/27/13 01:42 AM, Makeshift wrote: I was really cautious about buying it because of that price, but TotalBiscuit went on about how much he loves it and it just looks like my type of thing.

It does look like a good game and all, but my problem is that I keep comparing the price to that of Shadowrun Returns, which has a similar price tag. I'm still not 100% set on buying the new Shadowrun yet, but of the two games, it appeals more to me right now. I was considering pre-purchasing it on Steam but I'll hold off until some reviews are out.

Does Scrolls use micro-transactions at all? I'd heard it does which I wasn't expecting from Mojang. Assuming it does, what are they like?


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At 6/27/13 07:22 AM, Dean wrote: It does look like a good game and all, but my problem is that I keep comparing the price to that of Shadowrun Returns, which has a similar price tag. I'm still not 100% set on buying the new Shadowrun yet, but of the two games, it appeals more to me right now. I was considering pre-purchasing it on Steam but I'll hold off until some reviews are out.

Yeah, I'll likely be purchasing Shadowrun Returns too. It would be hard to say which game is more worth the price.

Does Scrolls use micro-transactions at all? I'd heard it does which I wasn't expecting from Mojang. Assuming it does, what are they like?

Yeah, it does. You can earn gold very quickly to buy random card packs or random singles from a specific resource type. You can also use gold to buy "premium" type items, but it would take a while of course and mostly isn't worth it. You buy "shards" as premium currency. 600 for $5. There are 6 cards which are recommended to you in the store that you can buy individually without any spontaneity for 25 - 120 shards. 120s are the rare ones. Then there's avatars you can buy... for 500.

It's sort of hard to explain because it's a bit weird. I don't think this is how it will be when the final game is released.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-28 00:27:35 Reply

Not sure if this has been brought up or discussed in the past, regardless I felt like sharing. I'm really looking forward to this little Indie title Shovel Knight.

Plays like a side scrolling action game (Megaman) and is supposedly a love letter to 8 bit games. LITTERED to the brim with secrets to find, encouraging exploration and granting replay-ability, and the music is absolutely SICK.

So excited for when this project gets released.

If anyone intends to give this a whirl, let me know!

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-29 15:03:41 Reply

Does anybody know when the summer sale starts? And cs source and garrys mod or left 4 dead 2, which is a better purchase?


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-29 21:07:51 Reply

At 6/29/13 03:03 PM, darkjam wrote: Does anybody know when the summer sale starts? And cs source and garrys mod or left 4 dead 2, which is a better purchase?

Wasn't there actually a year where it never happened and everyone got their hopes up for nothing? Maybe that was a christmas sale, but it did happen.

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At 6/29/13 03:03 PM, darkjam wrote: Does anybody know when the summer sale starts? And cs source and garrys mod or left 4 dead 2, which is a better purchase?

It will start at around the beginning of July, and here at Valve, we are hoping to start it July 4th. We usually do it on Thursdays if you haven't noticed on previous summer sales. And in my opinion, I think you should get all three, because all are really well made games that can offer a lots of hours of fun. Most people that own these games usually have at least more than 50 hours done on them. But, if you only have enough for two of those games, I would suggest either to wait for the summer sale or to buy just Counter-Strike: Source and Left 4 Dead 2.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-06-30 11:52:33 Reply

But, if you only have enough for two of those games, I would suggest either to wait for the summer sale or to buy just Counter-Strike: Source and Left 4 Dead 2.

I can only get two, I have 15 and cs source plus garrys mod is 15 with the bundle, while left 4 dead 2 is 15 by itself.


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Ergh, I'm really looking forward to the new Command & Conquer game...but it's taking EA a hell lot of time to get out beta keys...


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-07-05 23:13:35 Reply

Was in Cash Converters (second hand store, quite a big chain in the UK) and me and one of my friends found a copy of Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil 2 both platinum for the PS1. Good condition, all discs and booklets for each. Would have bought them myself if I hadn't already got Metal Gear Solid two years back (that took me until recently to play through) and didn't have my Resi 2 discs from childhood I'd have been tempted. £5 for each wasn't bad, I was tempted to get the RE2 one just for the sake of having an actual case for my 2 discs.

In the end, my friend got them both and I picked up a copy of MGS2 and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for the sum of £14 (4 and 10, respectively) which was pretty good considering TTT2 is about a year or so old? Anybody else have any good second hand/charity shop finds lately?

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At 7/5/13 11:13 PM, VoidForce wrote: Anybody else have any good second hand/charity shop finds lately?

There are no Cash Converters or CEX type stores in my town unfortunately. The only place that I was able to buy used video games, after my local GameStation closed, was Tesco and Asda but even they seem to be clearing out their pre-owned stock. I've never had a look in the charity shops either. I always feel slightly awkward browsing small stores if I end up not wanting to buy anything. Especially if I'm the only person besides the employee in the store. Can't imagine my town would have much in the way of old video games in the charity shops anyway.


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So this may come across as a random question but just wondering if theres a game that fits the following.

I'm looking for a PC game that involves some sort've managing system where you need to gather resources to build up either a building or a city or a company or a...something.

It's not so much a rts game or a game like Tropico, I just want something quirky and fun to play that involves gathering resources whilst you do something else where you play an actual game to gather resources faster or something.

I know the above is just sort've me rambling on but I was playing the open beta for "A mighty quest for epic loot" and was wondering if there's something similar out there.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-07-08 01:03:55 Reply

At 7/5/13 11:13 PM, VoidForce wrote:
In the end, my friend got them both and I picked up a copy of MGS2 and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for the sum of Ã'£14 (4 and 10, respectively) which was pretty good considering TTT2 is about a year or so old? Anybody else have any good second hand/charity shop finds lately?

On another note, I'm a bit behind the times, what's this new profile pic Jackho?

Tekken Tag Tournament was one of my first PS2 games and is still fun to this day, I consider it along with Tekken 3 to be the best of the series. The second game I played about 4-5 hours online at a friend's house and it seems to have balancing issues (the ongoing constant problem with fighters) since most people were rocking either Devil Jin, Marshall Law, spamming juggles with Hwoarang/Eddy or grapples with King/Nina. Could be talking out my ass- I'm not hardcore enough in this genre to really be able to offer an educated opinion.

Yoshimitsu was always my favorite.

Jackho's icon is from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream; an intensely satisfying PC horror game from the mid 90's. It's concept is intriguing, I suggest you read up on it and boot it up if the notion strikes your fancy.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-07-08 06:51:56 Reply

Consoles I have: SNES, N64, Game Boy (the 1st one), PS2, 2nd Gen NES, X-Box 360, 2 DS's, DSi, and an iPod 4th Gen.
Games currently playing: Medal of Honor (1998), Medal of Honor (2010), Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1+2, and Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-07-08 06:57:42 Reply

At 7/8/13 06:51 AM, faolan212 wrote: 2nd Gen NES

As in one of the top loading NES consoles? Those things fetch a pretty penny.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2013-07-08 09:07:01 Reply

I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream was based on a short story of the same name. That story was one of the inspirations for Terminator. The other inspirations were the Outer Limits episodes the Man With the Glass Hand and the Soldier.

I'm still hooked on Dragon's Dogma. I still can't even do the first royal order quest, griffins bane. On the way to the Bluemoon Tower, there's a mountain valley past Hillfigure Knoll that's crawling with enemies that are too strong for me and my pawns. We can kill a lot of them, but they just keep coming. I'm not sure what level I should be before I try again. I think I'm level 37 right now, maybe 38.


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