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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-15 07:01:05 Reply

Well, the Linux Steam client still seems to have issues, which was to be expected this early on. I didn't even get the chance to see how well TF2 ran because I get an error upon launching the game :(

In other news, I've been playing The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and it's pretty good. Still not sure if I prefer it over Ocarina of Time but I do like the art style. I'm just still undecided on whether or not I like the whole sailing element of the game. It makes exploration kinda fun but at the same times there's a fair bit of just sailing from point A to point B. Although I've not gained the ability to fast travel from Cyclos yet.

Really enjoying Zelda just now though. A GameCube copy of Twilight Princess that I ordered just arrived this morning so I'll be moving onto that once I beat Wind Waker. I get the feeling that Twilight Princess will be more my thing but we'll see. Still, that's two pretty decent additions made to my GameCube collection. I think the next games on my wishlist to tick off will be Tales of Symphonia and Skies of Arcadia, assuming I can bring myself to pay their high prices.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-15 08:21:55 Reply

At 12/15/12 07:01 AM, Dean wrote: I think the next games on my wishlist to tick off will be Tales of Symphonia and Skies of Arcadia, assuming I can bring myself to pay their high prices.

I've never played Skies of Arcadia but I've played Tales of Symphonia and that is one hell of an RPG. To be hnest, I bought that game not knowing anything about it. Great storyline, great music, great practically everything.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-19 05:36:14 Reply

I ordered copies of Persona 3 FES and Persona 4 a few days ago and they arrived in the mail today. Both brand new and factory sealed. There's something nice about getting a sealed PS2 game. Probably just because I never encounter them any more but there seems to be no shortage of sealed copies of these games and they cost the same as used copies. It seems a shame to open them but oh well.

Not actually sure when I'll get around to playing these though. I'm still not done with Wind Waker and I started on Star Ocean: The Last Hope yesterday too. Usually I won't play two games at the same time but I'm finding it actually helps me stay motivated. If I get bored of one I just take a time out and play the other. Definitely seems like the best plan when it comes to some of these lengthy RPGs.

There's also three games on the Mega Drive that I'm considering buying but they're like £10 each which is more than I'd usually spend on a Mega Drive game but I'm wanting to beef up my collection a bit. I still don't think I've bought any games since I got the system but it did come with over ten. Knowing me, I'll probably order them. That'll be another £30 gone.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-19 06:09:12 Reply

At 12/19/12 05:36 AM, Dean wrote: I ordered copies of Persona 3 FES and Persona 4 a few days ago and they arrived in the mail today. Both brand new and factory sealed. There's something nice about getting a sealed PS2 game. Probably just because I never encounter them any more but there seems to be no shortage of sealed copies of these games and they cost the same as used copies. It seems a shame to open them but oh well.

I just love the smell after opening 'em.

You can't go wrong with either Persona 3 or 4. Both are very fun. They are the only JRPGs I've played in the last year or two that I didn't get bored with after 15-20 hours of gameplay.

The only games from the series I haven't played are one and two and I'd really like to try them. I've heard various good and bad things about them though. With them being PSX games they haven't really aged too well when compared to the more recent iterations of Persona games. To top it off, they are supposedly very different from both Persona 3 and 4. I guess Atlus took a gamble and took the series in a different direction when it came to developing Persona 3 and it paid off. Has anyone here played them? Any good words to say for either?

I recently ordered Persona 4 Golden because fuck waiting. I really hate living on the European continent sometimes.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-19 06:23:28 Reply

At 12/19/12 06:09 AM, RiseKujikawa wrote: I just love the smell after opening 'em.

Nothing like that new game smell!

You can't go wrong with either Persona 3 or 4. Both are very fun. They are the only JRPGs I've played in the last year or two that I didn't get bored with after 15-20 hours of gameplay.

I've actually heard a few people tell me this now, so that's a good sign. Especially considering the apparently length of these games. They're meant to be about 70+ hours are they not? Persona 3 FES advertises that all the content will take about 100 hours to beat on the back of their box, if you play through the extra content too. RPGs should only be that long if they're actually entertaining, which I've been led to believe Persona 3 and 4 are.

Also, one of the Mega Drive games I was considering buying last night, Super Hydlide, just appeared on eBay this morning at a lower price than I was about to pay for it last night. Pleased that I waited. I hear mixed things about it. A lot of people claim it's awful and then there's the people who claim that it's actually a pretty decent RPG. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the negativity comes from people who've seen AVGN's review of the first Hydlide that was released on NES. Still, I've seen a few gameplay videos of this game and I think it seemed worth the money I spent on it.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-19 14:03:47 Reply

Just ordered the other two Mega Drive games. I was debating whether or not I'd go ahead with it but they both look fun and I need more Mega Drive games. I'd never actually heard of either game until yesterday when I came across someone's list of "hidden gems" for the Mega Drive / Genesis. The games are called StarFlight and Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday. Both are space exploration / RPGs. StarFlight seems more focused on the exploration element and Buck Rogers seems like it's main focus is the turn based combat.

I think they both look like they'll be interesting games. They were a bit over my usual price range for Mega Drive games but it seems to be getting harder to get any of the good games at a reasonable price now.

Also, just beat Wind Waker!


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 08:53:13 Reply

Triple post.

The handy little gadget that you see pictured below arrived in the mail today. A USB SNES controller. I've never used a SNES controller so I can't really compare this with the actual thing, but it's not a bad controller. It has a nice D-pad, the ABXY buttons are as I'd expect and the start and select buttons are actually rubber. Not bad for some cheap made in China controller. The L and R buttons are fine too but I can't imagine the original controllers made as loud a clicking sound when they were pressed. Still, this thing does what I want it to. Just plugged it into my PC and it worked like a charm.

Just a shame SNES collecting is so expensive in PAL regions. This will have to do me for now.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 09:11:26 Reply

Dean, why didn't you just get a wired Xbox 360 controller? It already supports a shitload of PC games, and I can't imagine configuring it for whatever SNES game your playing would be difficult. Also, you talked about Persona 1 & 2 not having aged well, and then I saw you beat Wind Waker (my favourite Zelda), and that is a game that has aged really well.

I just got Borderlands 2, I had some fun with the first but I got bored of it, apparently it's a lot more fun if you're playing with others though, so I'm taking it online, assuming there isn't a online pass feature. I played an hour of Gears of War 3 last night with a friend and had a blast for the short duration he stayed, but I don't find it good enough to enjoy by myself. I got 2 achievements though for 95GS after 5 minutes of gameplay though, so I was quite chuffed.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 09:46:10 Reply

At 12/20/12 09:11 AM, iMini wrote: Dean, why didn't you just get a wired Xbox 360 controller?

I have one but part of the reason I dlslike emulation is because I'm not using the controller that the games were designed for. This was my way of getting around that and it was only six quid. I'd much rather have the actual console and games though. I'm not such a fan of emulating as a whole but there have been some SNES games I wanted to play recently and this seemed like the best way to do it.

Also, the D-pad on Xbox 360 controllers is awful for this kind of thing, in my opinion. And using the analogue stick wouldn't feel right.

Also, you talked about Persona 1 & 2 not having aged well, and then I saw you beat Wind Waker (my favourite Zelda), and that is a game that has aged really well.

I'm just assuming Persona 1 & 2 haven't aged well because nobody talks about them. There are PSP re-releases available, which might be better. But yea, Wind Walker definitely still looked nice because of the cell shading. As a game though, I preferred OoT. The sailing in Wind Walker got a bit boring for me after a while. Sailing aside though, pretty good game.

I just got Borderlands 2

Never played either of those but I'd like to give them a shot some time. Problem is that they are meant for online play and I've not had Xbox Live for over half a year now. I just don't use my Xbox at all any more since my mate moved away and is never on it either.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 11:18:11 Reply

At 12/20/12 09:46 AM, Dean wrote: I'm just assuming Persona 1 & 2 haven't aged well because nobody talks about them.

I've started playing the first Persona game last year or so and still haven't gotten to beating it yet. I've taken long breaks from it, because towards the end you get these two to three hours long dungeons with no save points or anything. It's not that you die easily, but when I boot it up now I know I'm it's likely I'm going to have to play for two hours or so to proceed in the game which is time I don't often have.

As for whether it has aged well or not; Some of the graphics do look a bit outdated and weird. Especially the world map and the menu screen. It's not that bad though and I think the game is still very playable apart from the lack of save points issue.

I don't know about Persona 2, but I imagine it to be somewhat better.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 13:09:01 Reply

Persona 1 & 2 have aged horrendously. I tried them for 2 hours each and it was unbearable.
3 I really should have tried before 4, but I'll probably tackle that at a later date.

I'm trying to get back into Lost Odyssey, but it's really, REALLY hard to jump straight back into an RPG you've taken a long hiatus on playing. I don't remember any of the mechanics.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 14:03:35 Reply

At 12/20/12 11:18 AM, Auz wrote: As for whether it has aged well or not; Some of the graphics do look a bit outdated and weird. Especially the world map and the menu screen. It's not that bad though and I think the game is still very playable apart from the lack of save points issue.

Dated graphics don't usually bother me if the gameplay is decent. Only reason that I'm not too interested in getting the first two Persona games right now is because they seem more obscure which means they'll sell for me. I don't think it was until Persona 3 was released that the series was introduced to more people. Plus, am I right in thinking that there's no real continuation from one game to the next? Persona 3 and 4 looked pretty similar and I hear they're good games, that's the only reason I bought them both. Well, that and because they're not too expensive.

At 12/20/12 01:09 PM, phrozonfire wrote: I'm trying to get back into Lost Odyssey, but it's really, REALLY hard to jump straight back into an RPG you've taken a long hiatus on playing. I don't remember any of the mechanics.

Yea, I think I'm at the end of disc three (or maybe two) but it has probably been over a year since I last played it, so if I were to go back to that game, I'd probably want a fresh start. I can't actually remember much of the game at all either, so it would probably be best to start over in my case. I have no intention of revisiting it for a long time though. Decent enough game, but I've got too many sitting around that I'd rather play.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 20:50:41 Reply

Quick question here, a lot of my friends suggested that I should pick up Persona 4: Arena, even though I have virtually no knowledge of the games or the franchise itself. Considering that I'm a big fan of fighting games, I wouldn't mind getting this game, but because I haven't played the Persona games before, I would pretty much be a fish out of water if I do get it.

Simply put, Do I pick up this game, even though I haven't played the other games before?


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-20 23:02:36 Reply

I vaguely remember the first Persona. I played it when I was a kid. I remember really liking it, but I didn't beat it. I've never played any of the others.

So, nobody remembers Lucky & Wild? That was one of the funnest games to play in the arcade with a friend back in the day.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 00:26:44 Reply

At 12/20/12 02:03 PM, Dean wrote: Plus, am I right in thinking that there's no real continuation from one game to the next? Persona 3 and 4 looked pretty similar and I hear they're good games, that's the only reason I bought them both. Well, that and because they're not too expensive.

From what I know they're only connected thematically by the fact that they both focus on high school kids, but no more than that. Apparently there are some minor references in P4 but nothing major.

it would probably be best to start over in my case. I have no intention of revisiting it for a long time though. Decent enough game, but I've got too many sitting around that I'd rather play.

The thought of re-starting a lengthy RPG makes me want to weep. All those hours gone.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 03:37:12 Reply

At 12/21/12 12:26 AM, phrozonfire wrote:
At 12/20/12 02:03 PM, Dean wrote: Plus, am I right in thinking that there's no real continuation from one game to the next? Persona 3 and 4 looked pretty similar and I hear they're good games, that's the only reason I bought them both. Well, that and because they're not too expensive.
From what I know they're only connected thematically by the fact that they both focus on high school kids, but no more than that. Apparently there are some minor references in P4 but nothing major.

Pretty much this. Persona 4 is set in the same universe but the game is set roughly a year after the events of Persona 3. There are a couple of references to Persona 3, many of them aren't easy to catch and most of them are really minor to begin with. Except for one which requires you to go through a NG+ and beat a certain someone.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 05:26:41 Reply

I've been playing Persona 3 a lot lately, but it's just starting to feel tedious to me. It's turning into the same battle over and over and I just avoid the shadows in Tararus as much as possible, so I can just blast through to the top and be done already. But that leaves me weak against the bosses which sucks.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 06:22:43 Reply

At 12/21/12 05:26 AM, Squidbit wrote: I've been playing Persona 3 a lot lately, but it's just starting to feel tedious to me. It's turning into the same battle over and over and I just avoid the shadows in Tararus as much as possible, so I can just blast through to the top and be done already. But that leaves me weak against the bosses which sucks.

I wouldn't disagree. Tartarus can be pretty overwhelming in general. Persona 4 thankfully touched up on the battle mechanics, battles are much smoother as opposed to Persona 3 and dungeoning in general is no longer a bore because the dungeons are cleverly woven into the story and they rarely, if ever, go past 12 floors. Only suggestion I can give you is try to hit at least 8 - 10 levels for each new block in Tartarus. I only visit Tartarus once or twice in a month and I usually have no problem. If you feel that you're level appropriate, then I can only suggest trying to fuse a better persona.

If you're playing P3 FES however then you'll have to trudge it out, sometimes the party member AI can really fuck you over at the most crucial of times. I can't even count how many times I've had to restart a boss fight because the AI decides to do something stupid. (i.e Marin Karin on a boss repeated times)

At 12/20/12 08:50 PM, orangebomb wrote:
Simply put, Do I pick up this game, even though I haven't played the other games before?

If you like fighting games then I don't see why not. One of my online friends got into the Persona series by playing P4:A first anyway. I'd like to play the game for myself but unfortunately it hasn't been released in Europe yet.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 21:35:26 Reply

Getting a new PS3 for Christmas. Had a 120GB slim for 3 years and only got 9GB left on the HDD so got a 320GB before they stop being sold. Don't really trust the quality of the super slim and the fact that it's a top loader means dust getting in will be a problem.

Also got a beanbag chair as I have the space for one now in my huge new bedroom (we moved house 2 weeks ago). It's so comfy, and it reflects body heat to keep you warm. Ballin'.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-21 22:36:59 Reply

At 12/21/12 09:35 PM, Quinny wrote: Getting a new PS3 for Christmas. Had a 120GB slim for 3 years and only got 9GB left on the HDD so got a 320GB before they stop being sold. Don't really trust the quality of the super slim and the fact that it's a top loader means dust getting in will be a problem.

True, but you won't have to worry about it jamming. I've had that problem with systems and computers.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-22 14:11:47 Reply

At 12/20/12 02:03 PM, Dean wrote:
At 12/20/12 11:18 AM, Auz wrote: As for whether it has aged well or not; Some of the graphics do look a bit outdated and weird. Especially the world map and the menu screen. It's not that bad though and I think the game is still very playable apart from the lack of save points issue.
Dated graphics don't usually bother me if the gameplay is decent. Only reason that I'm not too interested in getting the first two Persona games right now is because they seem more obscure which means they'll sell for me. I don't think it was until Persona 3 was released that the series was introduced to more people. Plus, am I right in thinking that there's no real continuation from one game to the next?

I think there is some connection, but you can probably play them separately without getting confused.

This talk about the first Persona game motivated me to pick it up again and to try to beat it. Apparently I left off right before the final dungeon and it had exactly the kind of stuff I talked about before. There's one save point at the beginning and then it took me 3 hours just to navigate through the place without any option to save somewhere along the way. I got to the final boss and she kicked my ass and I had to do it all over again.

I prevailed the second time though, but this just shows it is definitely the most unforgiving game I have ever played. I heard the remake for the PS Vita or whatever actually has more save points and the graphics are a bit better too. So if you're still interested, I do strongly recommend you pick up the remake.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-23 10:22:28 Reply

Looks like I'm back to considering buying / building a new PC. Only thing is that my budget wont be as high as it was when I previously wanted to build a PC. I've been taking a look at the games on GOG.com every now and then and they have a lot of games that interest me for really good prices. They're old games so they don't require a great PC to run them. I've been looking on Steam as well, seeing as it's the winter sale and I've decided that I really, really want to check out the first STALKER game. I'm sure if I looked around there'd be a lot more stuff on Steam that I'd want to play too.

I gave up on the idea of getting a new PC a while back but I had a look on the Dell site for the hell of it last night and they were selling PCs that are considerably better than the one I'm using and their prices were lower than I expected. This has led me to believe that I could get a decent computer for less than I thought if I were to build my own, considering those Dells don't actually seem too bad for what I'd be using them for.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-24 09:45:52 Reply

Persona 4 Golden finally came in the post today, hooray for great timing. I'll probably start playing it tomorrow, I can't wait to see the new changes that have been implemented. I've tried pretty hard to remain spoiler free, so here's hoping my patience paid off.

At 12/22/12 02:11 PM, Auz wrote: I prevailed the second time though, but this just shows it is definitely the most unforgiving game I have ever played. I heard the remake for the PS Vita or whatever actually has more save points and the graphics are a bit better too. So if you're still interested, I do strongly recommend you pick up the remake.

Once I'm finished with P4G which will inevitably take 80-100hrs out of my life, I'll probably end up giving Persona 1 and 2 a shot.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-25 17:30:49 Reply

Merry Christmas ya bunch o nerdy bastards!


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-25 20:14:35 Reply

got a few games for Christmas.

Dragon's Dogma
Sleeping Dogs
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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-25 20:58:45 Reply

At 12/25/12 08:14 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: got a few games for Christmas.

Dragon's Dogma
Sleeping Dogs
Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Crysis 2

I didn't even get a single game for Christmas but that would be because I didn't even ask for any games this year. Not the first time this has happened. I felt 2012 was a bit of a weak turnout for video games but hopefully next year will be better. I imagine it is already but that's providing games like Metal Gear Rising, BioShock Infinite and Tomb Raider don't flop. If they're all good, I'll be damn pleased!

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-26 05:45:29 Reply

I never ended up getting any video games either, with the exception of the copy of Persona 4 that my sister got me. I was more interested in getting my hands on some Star Trek DVDs.

My brother got a few games though. Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Dishonoured and DOOM 3 BFG Edition (I got him that). I watched him play a bit of Far Cry 3 yesterday and it does look pretty fun although I don't think it's as good as he was expecting. It didn't particularly seem like anything special to me either.

Still pretty tempted to go ahead with building myself a decent computer. I'm about £50 away from being able to build the system I've planned. It would leave me skint afterwards though, so I'm still debating if I should wait a while longer.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-26 11:51:15 Reply

Heh, even I've been thinking ahead and decide what I need to do for future computer gaming. Due to my laptop's ongoing problems with overheating when it plays games, I feel I've put up with this failure long enough and should start look into a new laptop. I know I said the words laptop and gaming in the same sentence but hear me out before you grab your pitchforks. In this house I'm not in one place as I can be either upstairs or downstairs. Infact, I'm using the laptop in my small room as I'm writing this post and with a desktop, I can only be in one place which doesn't work for me. When I move out a desktop can work but for the time being, it's laptops all the way. Getting a new laptop will just about demolish my bank account but I feel it's a necessary move to take sometime in the new year.

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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-26 12:19:53 Reply

At 12/26/12 11:51 AM, Bahamut wrote: Getting a new laptop will just about demolish my bank account but I feel it's a necessary move to take sometime in the new year.

This is pretty much the situation I'm in, if you exchange "laptop" with "desktop". The laptops that I've owned have been capable of playing some older games, but I've never really tried playing anything newer on them. My MacBook Pro wasn't too bad at playing some modernish games when I had Windows XP installed on it, but I focused most of my time playing older games.

I've never actually owned a PC capable of playing demanding, newly released games. Although this is because I've always been a console gamer. However I'm now thinking that I'll make the transition from console gamer to PC gamer. I know that we still don't know much at all about the next generation of video games consoles, but if the current generation is anything to go by, I can imagine they'll be equally focused on all forms of media and not just video games, which leads me to believe that I'd just be as well to spend the money on a decent PC.

In other news, the spare room in our house is apparently being converted from a place where people dump random items into what I can imagine will essentially become a gaming room. It's getting cleared out and a sofa will be getting put in there along with what I assume will be a reasonably sized TV. I'm pretty excited about this because it will mean that I can set up some of my older consoles in there and probably even my Xbox which would make some space in my room for me to potentially store this new PC I may build.


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Response to Videa Game Regulars Lounge. 2012-12-26 13:11:38 Reply

At 12/26/12 12:19 PM, Dean wrote:
At 12/26/12 11:51 AM, Bahamut wrote: Getting a new laptop will just about demolish my bank account but I feel it's a necessary move to take sometime in the new year.
This is pretty much the situation I'm in, if you exchange "laptop" with "desktop". The laptops that I've owned have been capable of playing some older games, but I've never really tried playing anything newer on them. My MacBook Pro wasn't too bad at playing some modernish games when I had Windows XP installed on it, but I focused most of my time playing older games.

Hell, if all I could play on a new laptop is TF2, that would be good enough with me. The Vaio laptop my sister has plays some of the new games very well so I'm looking into something similar. However, I am going to be very critical with what the laptop can provide and one question in mind will be the situation where there becomes too much dust inside the laptop. I know it won't always support new games but if it can at least not have the overheating bullshit that I've had for years on this laptop, I will keep quiet for a long time, I swear to it.

In other news, the spare room in our house is apparently being converted from a place where people dump random items into what I can imagine will essentially become a gaming room. It's getting cleared out and a sofa will be getting put in there along with what I assume will be a reasonably sized TV. I'm pretty excited about this because it will mean that I can set up some of my older consoles in there and probably even my Xbox which would make some space in my room for me to potentially store this new PC I may build.

That's neat. Unfortunately, this house will never have that kind of room, especially when there's the occasions of guests (i.e. family members) that need a room to sleep in.