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I don't think dismanteling a high percentage of your nukes should be considered as a weakness, you just have to keep some. Between the capacity of nuking the whole surface of the Earth 100 times and only once, the latter one will get the job done and costs less.

It's kind of like buying a switchblade instead of a gun and still be able to pay for that nice school.

At 8/10/09 03:27 PM, TheReno wrote:

Well, you are wrong and stupid for thinking that. It's about as unreasonable to say that the US sending relief aid to Africa is a sign of weakness.

Trust me, not a single human being on the planet will be thinking that the US getting rid of excessive nukes will be an "opening".

Let me repackage this. Say its the cold war again, Us and Russia. And imagine we just heard on the news that Russia is decommisioning half its nukes. Not all but half. That could still blow up the world the ammount they have left, but americans would see this as Russian resolve weakening.

Doesn't matter. We aren't facing any kind of situation thats like the Cold War. I get what you're saying, but you're acting most countrys are just dying to ponce on us. It's simply not true. Think of it this way, France: They've only got about 10 Nukes. Have you seen anyone fuck with them since the Second World War? Same with England. I'm not saying Nukes cannot be a deterrent, but we don't need such a large number of them, especially when the money could be going to other things. Like gee, i don't know, the failing Economy? I think you're taking the whole "Shock and Awe" thing a bit too seriously.

im not saying never decommision some of these, just wait for the wars to be over. Damn.

Yeah, because the wars will be over some sunny day. lol.

Mehbeh, Mehbeh.

Nope. Not gonna happen. But we can do our damn best to facilitate peace. To stop as many potential war as possible. Besides, it's not like we can use these nukes in the War's we're involved in.

Doesn't matter. We aren't facing any kind of situation thats like the Cold War. I get what you're saying, but you're acting most countrys are just dying to ponce on us. It's simply not true. Think of it this way, France: They've only got about 10 Nukes. Have you seen anyone fuck with them since the Second World War? Same with England. I'm not saying Nukes cannot be a deterrent, but we don't need such a large number of them, especially when the money could be going to other things. Like gee, i don't know, the failing Economy? I think you're taking the whole "Shock and Awe" thing a bit too seriously.

Maybe I am. Despite this though I still vow to keep them. If this were a war we were in where we werent fighting extremists who hate america or russia xD, fine decommision some nukes. But these people portray or being there as another crusade. I honestly think that decommisionning any right now just gives them another edge in recruiting.

Nope. Not gonna happen. But we can do our damn best to facilitate peace. To stop as many potential war as possible. Besides, it's not like we can use these nukes in the War's we're involved in.

I didnt mean all wars ever, i meant the two we are in now.

At 8/10/09 03:51 PM, TheReno wrote:

Doesn't matter. We aren't facing any kind of situation thats like the Cold War. I get what you're saying, but you're acting most countrys are just dying to ponce on us. It's simply not true. Think of it this way, France: They've only got about 10 Nukes. Have you seen anyone fuck with them since the Second World War? Same with England. I'm not saying Nukes cannot be a deterrent, but we don't need such a large number of them, especially when the money could be going to other things. Like gee, i don't know, the failing Economy? I think you're taking the whole "Shock and Awe" thing a bit too seriously.

Maybe I am. Despite this though I still vow to keep them. If this were a war we were in where we werent fighting extremists who hate america or russia xD, fine decommision some nukes. But these people portray or being there as another crusade. I honestly think that decommisionning any right now just gives them another edge in recruiting.

To them, they know you can't even use Nukes against them. They're scattered everywhere; its so difficult to tell who's a terrorist until they're attacking you. Better yet, decomission the nukes, and use the money to counter the tactics we know they use. Bigger and Better flak jackets, better Humvee armor, so their roadside bombs won't have as much effect. Even better, use that money to help the people of iraq, help rebuild the country. Then, point out that Americans helped rebuild shattered country, and what have the terroistst done for you lately? Win their hearts and minds, unite them against the extremist that they already hate. Of course, this is flawed. It can be argued that America started the entire mess to begin with. But if we show them a genuine desire to end the war peacefully, and make active steps toward doing it, we'll win. All wiithout the use of Nukes.

Nope. Not gonna happen. But we can do our damn best to facilitate peace. To stop as many potential war as possible. Besides, it's not like we can use these nukes in the War's we're involved in.

I didnt mean all wars ever, i meant the two we are in now.

Again, we've not used Nukes in this war, and its not like we can. Those Nukes are useless in the Iraq War. If the terrorists were so afraid of the nukes, why did they attack us to begin with?

To them, they know you can't even use Nukes against them. They're scattered everywhere; its so difficult to tell who's a terrorist until they're attacking you. Better yet, decomission the nukes, and use the money to counter the tactics we know they use. Bigger and Better flak jackets, better Humvee armor, so their roadside bombs won't have as much effect. Even better, use that money to help the people of iraq, help rebuild the country. Then, point out that Americans helped rebuild shattered country, and what have the terroistst done for you lately? Win their hearts and minds, unite them against the extremist that they already hate. Of course, this is flawed. It can be argued that America started the entire mess to begin with. But if we show them a genuine desire to end the war peacefully, and make active steps toward doing it, we'll win. All wiithout the use of Nukes.

We tried being all peaceful and shit and leaving, then a little thing like Bazra (?) happened and the government called us back in.

Again, we've not used Nukes in this war, and its not like we can. Those Nukes are useless in the Iraq War. If the terrorists were so afraid of the nukes, why did they attack us to begin with?

Morale is half the war. And they attacked us because they are fucking terrorists, its what they do! Osama said "Blow up the twin towers" and his terrorist buddies said "With how much explosives"

At 8/10/09 04:10 PM, TheReno wrote:

To them, they know you can't even use Nukes against them. They're scattered everywhere; its so difficult to tell who's a terrorist until they're attacking you. Better yet, decomission the nukes, and use the money to counter the tactics we know they use. Bigger and Better flak jackets, better Humvee armor, so their roadside bombs won't have as much effect. Even better, use that money to help the people of iraq, help rebuild the country. Then, point out that Americans helped rebuild shattered country, and what have the terroistst done for you lately? Win their hearts and minds, unite them against the extremist that they already hate. Of course, this is flawed. It can be argued that America started the entire mess to begin with. But if we show them a genuine desire to end the war peacefully, and make active steps toward doing it, we'll win. All wiithout the use of Nukes.

We tried being all peaceful and shit and leaving, then a little thing like Bazra (?) happened and the government called us back in.

? I don't remember it happning that way. I remember sitting in my living room in 2003 and watching the News state that Bush has given iraq a certain amount of time to surrender, or we invade. The Government at the time was the one held by Saddamn Hussein, they didn't want us their. if they did, why did we kill their soliders and why did they find Saddamn in a Fox-Hole?

Again, we've not used Nukes in this war, and its not like we can. Those Nukes are useless in the Iraq War. If the terrorists were so afraid of the nukes, why did they attack us to begin with?

Morale is half the war. And they attacked us because they are fucking terrorists, its what they do! Osama said "Blow up the twin towers" and his terrorist buddies said "With how much explosives"

No, they did it because they hate us. You're view of them is utterly simplistic. They aren't just terrorists because its a thing to do. They didn't have Taliban recruit as an option during Career Day at Baghdad High. They do it because they believe in something, they do it because they see us as the source of their ills. They hate us, they aren't just bored. Why, i don't quite know . But i can see why the Modern Iraqi may hate us. What we need to do is show them that we aren't the enemy. They'll keep coming as long as they think so.

Besides, what would increse your morale? Knowing theirs tons of Nukes back home that cannot help you in anyway. Or, being told you're getting a new set of better, properly built body armor? being told that you're getting a better rifle, seeing the Iraqi people finally stop hating you, seeing an entire country being rebuilt by yours, and seeing an entire country being filled with hope, and uniting with you against the threat of terrorism?

? I don't remember it happning that way. I remember sitting in my living room in 2003 and watching the News state that Bush has given iraq a certain amount of time to surrender, or we invade. The Government at the time was the one held by Saddamn Hussein, they didn't want us their. if they did, why did we kill their soliders and why did they find Saddamn in a Fox-Hole?

Again, we've not used Nukes in this war, and its not like we can. Those Nukes are useless in the Iraq War. If the terrorists were so afraid of the nukes, why did they attack us to begin with?

Oh but it did.
December 16th: UK troops transfer control to Iraqi authorities
British troops transfer control of Basra province to the Iraqi authorities, four-and-a-half years after the invasion.[10] A BBC survey of local residents finds that 86% think the presence of British troops since 2003 has had an overall negative effect on the province.[11]

[edit] New Police Chief
Abdul Jalil Khalaf was appointed Police Chief by the central government with the task of taking on the militias. He has been outspoken against the targeting of women by the militias.[12]. Talking to the BBC, he said that his determination to tackle the militia has led to almost daily assassination attempts [13]. This has been taken as sign that he is serious in opposing the militias[14].

[edit] 2008
Main article: Battle of Basra (2008)
In March 2008, the Iraqi Army launched a major offensive, code-named Saulat al-Fursan (Charge of the White Knights), aimed at forcing the Mahdi Army out of Basra. The assault was planned by Gen Mohan Furaiji and approved by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.[15]

What wikipedia so convienintly forgets to mention is that the Iraqis had 10000 men attacking this city to get Mahdi out. They were failing bad. 600 American troops and advisers were called in to help and that suddenly turned the tide of the battle with Mahdi getting booted out.

No, they did it because they hate us. You're view of them is utterly simplistic. They aren't just terrorists because its a thing to do. They didn't have Taliban recruit as an option during Career Day at Baghdad High. They do it because they believe in something, they do it because they see us as the source of their ills. They hate us, they aren't just bored. Why, i don't quite know . But i can see why the Modern Iraqi may hate us. What we need to do is show them that we aren't the enemy. They'll keep coming as long as they think so.

Besides, what would increse your morale? Knowing theirs tons of Nukes back home that cannot help you in anyway. Or, being told you're getting a new set of better, properly built body armor? being told that you're getting a better rifle, seeing the Iraqi people finally stop hating you, seeing an entire country being rebuilt by yours, and seeing an entire country being filled with hope, and uniting with you against the threat of terrorism?

They hate us because we are infidels. We are not down with mohammad but down with pork and they hate that. You cant convince these people we arent the enemy unless we all become muslim. A school wont do shit to change their mind if we dont accept their god. And yeah, a new rifle would be a big boost in my morale, but let me ask you something. Have you ever heard of the tet offensive? It only is considered the turning point in the vietnam war. I think that if we were to give them this boost in morale, the insurgent groups, that they would try something like that. I could be wrong, who knows but that is what I speculate could happen.

At 8/10/09 04:10 PM, TheReno wrote: Morale is half the war. And they attacked us because they are fucking terrorists, its what they do! Osama said "Blow up the twin towers" and his terrorist buddies said "With how much explosives"

Don't be so ignorant and blind! They didn't one day just decide "hey lets for an organisation" then the next "hey lets blow that up because it looks important" these organisations have been formed over decades of fighting in the middle east. The twin towers as a target makes sense.

The Taliban are not a large group capable of open warfare, so they must use guerilla warfare. Gurilla warfare is fought mainly by weakening the enemies infrastructure and disrupting the supply chain. A country's economy is part of that supply chain. The "World Trade Centre" is as big an economic target as you can get!

I do not agree with the attack they carried out but I understand the motivation behind it. That puts you in a better position than simply using that catch-all clause of "terrorist scum" know your enemy!

At 8/10/09 04:39 PM, TheReno wrote:

? I don't remember it happning that way. I remember sitting in my living room in 2003 and watching the News state that Bush has given iraq a certain amount of time to surrender, or we invade. The Government at the time was the one held by Saddamn Hussein, they didn't want us their. if they did, why did we kill their soliders and why did they find Saddamn in a Fox-Hole?

Again, we've not used Nukes in this war, and its not like we can. Those Nukes are useless in the Iraq War. If the terrorists were so afraid of the nukes, why did they attack us to begin with?

FACTS

Those were all things that happened after the invasion, after we installed our new, more democratic government. Those were reports of us giving the new government control of the country. The original, Saddamn Government is long dead and buried. Maybe the new one wants us there. But we were never asked to come to iraq.

No, they did it because they hate us. You're view of them is utterly simplistic. They aren't just terrorists because its a thing to do. They didn't have Taliban recruit as an option during Career Day at Baghdad High. They do it because they believe in something, they do it because they see us as the source of their ills. They hate us, they aren't just bored. Why, i don't quite know . But i can see why the Modern Iraqi may hate us. What we need to do is show them that we aren't the enemy. They'll keep coming as long as they think so.

Besides, what would increse your morale? Knowing theirs tons of Nukes back home that cannot help you in anyway. Or, being told you're getting a new set of better, properly built body armor? being told that you're getting a better rifle, seeing the Iraqi people finally stop hating you, seeing an entire country being rebuilt by yours, and seeing an entire country being filled with hope, and uniting with you against the threat of terrorism?

They hate us because we are infidels. We are not down with mohammad but down with pork and they hate that. You cant convince these people we arent the enemy unless we all become muslim. A school wont do shit to change their mind if we dont accept their god. And yeah, a new rifle would be a big boost in my morale, but let me ask you something. Have you ever heard of the tet offensive? It only is considered the turning point in the vietnam war. I think that if we were to give them this boost in morale, the insurgent groups, that they would try something like that. I could be wrong, who knows but that is what I speculate could happen.

Thing is with Tet, they realized the entire war was being televised, they attacked during a holiday when no expected. Of course, we totally wrecked their shit, they gained pretty much nothing from it, other then then the devestated moral, I'm not saying it isn't important, what i'm sating is that the things we're doing aren't going to help us at all. We've had these nukes since the beginning of the war, hasn't really helped us much. if theirs anything thats going to destroy moral, i'll be that this war has gone on so long, thats is a long, complicated mess that has no foreseeable end in sight. Again, we can't even use these nukes here. But the money, (Money is power) can be used to truly help us out here.

I think its a bit unfair to say the whole thing is caused by religious fervor. Politics come into play too. Forget the fact we don't have a state religion, the Modern Iraqi can be pissed at us just for invading. Its easy to blame US for the whole thing, religious reasons aside. Part of is religious fanaticism, yet, but its not like Muslims don't fight other Muslims, Its not like their aren't millons of muslims living in the united states, their are Iraqis that aren't Muslim. Faith can topple logic and reason. so perhaps, what we need to is show them that God doesn't want what their doing. You say they stop killing us once we become muslims, well, what if their God say no? To any true holy man, God's will be followed. What we need is the highest, most influential Muslims to tell the others what their doing is wrong. Show them that they are perverting their own religion, then they'll stop.

Theres also the chance that they're only using religion as an excuse. What greater way to justify your actions to a religious populous then to claim its God's Will?

At 8/10/09 04:39 PM, TheReno wrote: They hate us because we are infidels. We are not down with mohammad but down with pork and they hate that. You cant convince these people we arent the enemy unless we all become muslim. A school wont do shit to change their mind if we dont accept their god.

Thats just stereotyping, these are the words of an extremist minority, who DO NOT represent the majority of Muslims. Are you gonna tell me everyone in America is god fearing and gay haters? and if your gay or don't believe in god then you shouldn't live in the USA???

Disarming is not a sign of weakness. To those who see a weapon as a sign of strength rather than the weakness that it is will perceive it that way. Mind if I ask why?

Those were all things that happened after the invasion, after we installed our new, more democratic government. Those were reports of us giving the new government control of the country. The original, Saddamn Government is long dead and buried. Maybe the new one wants us there. But we were never asked to come to iraq.

Your right in that we werent asked to come, but we did. We thought (and by we I mean us, france, uk, and I think german?) they had weapons of mass destruction. He did have them once, used them on the kurds. So we went in to take them. We didnt find any of course but now we are there trying to stabalize this country.

Thing is with Tet, they realized the entire war was being televised, they attacked during a holiday when no expected. Of course, we totally wrecked their shit, they gained pretty much nothing from it, other then then the devestated moral, I'm not saying it isn't important, what i'm sating is that the things we're doing aren't going to help us at all. We've had these nukes since the beginning of the war, hasn't really helped us much. if theirs anything thats going to destroy moral, i'll be that this war has gone on so long, thats is a long, complicated mess that has no foreseeable end in sight. Again, we can't even use these nukes here. But the money, (Money is power) can be used to truly help us out here.

I cant argue that more money wouldnt help, thats impossible to argue. If the US did disarm like half our nukes, I couldn't hate the decision if the money went to something good like what you said, better armor and shit. I would still though, if I had to make the call, keep the nukes. Unless of course people who have been doing that job forever and know way more then me advised me to get rid of some of them xD

So I guess what I am saying is I partially concede the point. Disarm some, not all and I wont put up a fight. But please keep them. xD

I think its a bit unfair to say the whole thing is caused by religious fervor. Politics come into play too. Forget the fact we don't have a state religion, the Modern Iraqi can be pissed at us just for invading. Its easy to blame US for the whole thing, religious reasons aside. Part of is religious fanaticism, yet, but its not like Muslims don't fight other Muslims, Its not like their aren't millons of muslims living in the united states, their are Iraqis that aren't Muslim. Faith can topple logic and reason. so perhaps, what we need to is show them that God doesn't want what their doing. You say they stop killing us once we become muslims, well, what if their God say no? To any true holy man, God's will be followed. What we need is the highest, most influential Muslims to tell the others what their doing is wrong. Show them that they are perverting their own religion, then they'll stop.

Show them god doesnt what this? Good luck with that! I cant even convince people here that the biblical apocolypse isnt coming because Jesus said it come during his life time and shit happened.

Theres also the chance that they're only using religion as an excuse. What greater way to justify your actions to a religious populous then to claim its God's Will?

True. Very true.

Why is it that we made nuclear weapons that could destroy the world before we put wheels on luggage?
Kind of sad when you think about it.

At 8/10/09 05:22 PM, TheReno wrote:

Those were all things that happened after the invasion, after we installed our new, more democratic government. Those were reports of us giving the new government control of the country. The original, Saddamn Government is long dead and buried. Maybe the new one wants us there. But we were never asked to come to iraq.

Your right in that we werent asked to come, but we did. We thought (and by we I mean us, france, uk, and I think german?) they had weapons of mass destruction. He did have them once, used them on the kurds. So we went in to take them. We didnt find any of course but now we are there trying to stabalize this country.

That could of have been an excuse to enter the region. An excuse that makes sense, if he had them once, he probably still does have them. I do find it bizzare that he didn't attempt to gas United States Troops. We haven't found anything so far ( I find it VERY bizzare that they didn't lie to us about that by the way)
I admit, it does make sense that they would have had weapons. But even if they did, its not like they were threating anyone with them, its not like they gave us reason to believe that anyone was going to be killed with them. Maybe, just maybe, if they even did have them, it was meant as a deterrent, much the same way that we have Nuclear Weapons. I'm not saying the whole thing was an Oil war, but everything considered, it must have been some sort of motivation. Maybe it was Mr.Bush's little war of Vengence. The last thing we need is some idiotic president who's going to use our Son's and Daughters, our resources, our time, our faith, to carry his own little crusade. The United States Military is supposed to defend our nation, not act as the presidents personnel hit-men! Thank God we're rid of him.

Thing is with Tet, they realized the entire war was being televised, they attacked during a holiday when no expected. Of course, we totally wrecked their shit, they gained pretty much nothing from it, other then then the devestated moral, I'm not saying it isn't important, what i'm sating is that the things we're doing aren't going to help us at all. We've had these nukes since the beginning of the war, hasn't really helped us much. if theirs anything thats going to destroy moral, i'll be that this war has gone on so long, thats is a long, complicated mess that has no foreseeable end in sight. Again, we can't even use these nukes here. But the money, (Money is power) can be used to truly help us out here.

I cant argue that more money wouldnt help, thats impossible to argue. If the US did disarm like half our nukes, I couldn't hate the decision if the money went to something good like what you said, better armor and shit. I would still though, if I had to make the call, keep the nukes. Unless of course people who have been doing that job forever and know way more then me advised me to get rid of some of them xD
So I guess what I am saying is I partially concede the point. Disarm some, not all and I wont put up a fight. But please keep them. xD

Of course. We can't get rim of all of them. That would be fool-hardy. As much as i dislike Nukes, i'm willing to accept the reality that they may be an important part of our national defense. I still think the world can do fine without them, but as it stands right now, we need to be on-par with the rest of the world. We cannot allow ourselves to be outgunned in the event that we are invaded. But, this requires balance, We cannot start an arms race, forsaking the importance of everything else, but we cannot leave ourselves defenseless either. Its all about balance. We've got to put our money where its needed.

I think its a bit unfair to say the whole thing is caused by religious fervor. Politics come into play too. Forget the fact we don't have a state religion, the Modern Iraqi can be pissed at us just for invading. Its easy to blame US for the whole thing, religious reasons aside. Part of is religious fanaticism, yet, but its not like Muslims don't fight other Muslims, Its not like their aren't millons of muslims living in the united states, their are Iraqis that aren't Muslim. Faith can topple logic and reason. so perhaps, what we need to is show them that God doesn't want what their doing. You say they stop killing us once we become muslims, well, what if their God say no? To any true holy man, God's will be followed. What we need is the highest, most influential Muslims to tell the others what their doing is wrong. Show them that they are perverting their own religion, then they'll stop.

Show them god doesnt what this? Good luck with that! I cant even convince people here that the biblical apocolypse isnt coming because Jesus said it come during his life time and shit happened.

Because, no offense, you have no influence among most christians. I couldn't convince a Muslim Extremist of anything, i'm what they hate, A citizen of the United States (And a Atheist to boot)
But, if the Pope, the Head of the entire Christian Religion, or his college of Cardinals made a statement about God, people would be far more likely to listen and agree. Its all about who says what.

Theres also the chance that they're only using religion as an excuse. What greater way to justify your actions to a religious populous then to claim its God's Will?

True. Very true.

:)

Nobody will ever give up their arms because they don't want to feel less superior to all of the other nations that have those type of weapons. Also It keeps their defenses really low because if other nations have Nukes then that keeps that nation out in the open with regular weapons. So nothing will ever change because of the weapons. I don't like them because I'm a Buddhist so I don't like a lot of that stuff.

At 8/10/09 06:11 PM, SAARG5150 wrote: Nobody will ever give up their arms because they don't want to feel less superior to all of the other nations that have those type of weapons. Also It keeps their defenses really low because if other nations have Nukes then that keeps that nation out in the open with regular weapons. So nothing will ever change because of the weapons.

This is also true, The reason why we're asking Russia and other countries to decommission nukes with us is so that we still have more of them and thus still retaining our position as most powerful country in the world, military wise. But i know Russia wont do it as long as Putin has power and we don't want another cold war with them. Thus we should keep the current level of nukes we have world wide and only worry about hostile nations like Iran, North Korea, and Syria having functional nukes becuase I'm not sure if their leaders care that they're nation will be wiped off the map if they do anything to us or our allies, as long as they kill millions of people.

At 8/10/09 04:39 PM, TheReno wrote: I think that if we were to give them this boost in morale, the insurgent groups, that they would try something like that. I could be wrong, who knows but that is what I speculate could happen.

So your justification for spending billions of dollars in maintenance every year is that if you engage in any amount of disarmament, terrorists, who have absolutely nothing to do with nuclear warfare, will decide to launch an attack (which is already a concern anyway) similar to the Tet Offensive (which doesn't make any sense).

Not only is that completely insane, but it's also not really much of a sign of weakness to say "Oh, we can only blow up the world 2500 times now, instead of 5000."

At 8/8/09 09:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

At 8/8/09 09:29 PM, Kwing wrote: Holy crap... I'd have to say the creepiest part is that we can't even use them for fear of causing a nuclear winter.

But we cant decommission them due to the fact that the sheer presence of nukes will keep any military from attacking us with everything they have, plus we'd be prepared for another cold war. Mutually assured destruction is the only real deterrent to hostile use of nuclear weapons

I agree but c'mon do you need that Many?
How many have the US used in an actual attack? 2(correct me if I'm wrong)?

At 8/11/09 01:47 PM, bobomajo wrote:

At 8/8/09 09:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: But we cant decommission them due to the fact that the sheer presence of nukes will keep any military from attacking us with everything they have, plus we'd be prepared for another cold war. Mutually assured destruction is the only real deterrent to hostile use of nuclear weapons

I agree but c'mon do you need that Many?

As long as Russia has near the amount we have, we do. And as i said before, as long as Putin has some power i dont think Russia will get getting rid of any nukes any time soon.

Let me get this stright, only being able to destroy the world once makes us look weak?

I don't believe this... "Just having them?" Having 2 of them scared the Japanese out of their wits. If we kept one beebee (15 Hiroshima-sized bombs), it would still be a rather menacing force.

At 8/15/09 03:22 PM, Kwing wrote: I don't believe this... "Just having them?" Having 2 of them scared the Japanese out of their wits.

even though the Japanese thought America had enough to carpet bomb their entire country.

No wonder why after World War 3 is over the whole world will be obliterated cause we're obviously gonna be using all those nuclear bombs during The Third World War.

At 8/10/09 05:42 PM, Ericho wrote: Why is it that we made nuclear weapons that could destroy the world before we put wheels on luggage?
Kind of sad when you think about it.

becuase commercial airliners didnt really become something for the common man till the late 60s early 70s. Till then people relied mainly on road trips to get somewhere far away, and they could stick their luggage in the trunk. However we invented nukes in the 1940s becuase we wanted a way to quickly end and win World War II

At 8/16/09 08:21 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: becuase commercial airliners didnt really become something for the common man till the late 60s early 70s. Till then people relied mainly on road trips to get somewhere far away, and they could stick their luggage in the trunk. However we invented nukes in the 1940s becuase we wanted a way to quickly end and win World War II

Yeah, I took the question "Why did we put man on the moon before we put wheels on luggage?" and put a spin to it relevant to this discussion. Thank you for your good points.