Racism vs Nationalism

[AleksM]

I see this at the political forums everyday. What are the difference between the two.

One day while I was on the BBS some one called the french frogs. And another guy called him racist. And another guy said he was a being a nationalist because he was judging a country.

I dont know I am just really confused between the difference of the 2.

[TheShrike]

Racism is directed at genetic background, while the other is directed at where you were born.

*kicks a frog*
(^this is parody, actually.)

[ReddSky]

So I can say all mexicans are dirty or all africans eat chicken (i dont mean any of this) and can use the less-harsh word 'nationalist' to describe it? I think (not shure) that nationalist is describing another country then it means the country, not its people.

This is how I see it..
France has a shitty army = describing nation
People in france are fags / canadians are pussies = racist

Making fun of someone because of their nationality is the same as racism as i see it.

It may as well be that way.

Btw I dont mean any of those examples I said, theyre just quick things i thought up.

[MarijuanaClock]

It is not possible to define race on biologicaly. Only cultural constructions of race are possible. Even though the average person conceptualizes "race" in biologcal terms. For all purposes it is best to use the term "ethnic group" when talking about a group of similar people.

Nationalities are ethnic groups that once had, wish to gain/regain, autonomous political status(Ie - A Country).

I hope that helps.

[MuiKat]

yeah, like marijuana clock said, racism is the act (maybe thought even) of discriminating against certain people based on their race (ie asians have slanted eyes, black guys go to jail, white trash lives in trailers, etc). nationalism is more of a subgroup in a country trying to separate themselves from that country (ie USSR/Russia + many lil countries separation)

[Vowl]

Any argument that stoops to the level of hatred is a worthless wast of time. Arguments that use raceist, nationalist, or even partisan hatred to make a point indicate a lack of content.

[beaucoup-yeux]

Nationalism is more along the lines of the "were better than all other countries" attitude. Saying that were better than a certain group of people is racist

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/6/04 09:00 PM, TheShrike wrote: *kicks a frog*
(^this is parody, actually.)

Liek your kick a frog movie?

[Slizor]

Nationalism comes in many forms. There is fascist nationalism (which may include racism, generally a belief that your country is superior), Conservative nationalism (like Euroskeptics, mainly a cultural issue than a racial issue), Liberal Nationalism (the belief a group of people should have their own country) and anti-colonial nationalism (again, a group of people should have their own country, can be a bit different.)

Generically, a nationalist is someone who supports their own country (it has nothing to do with being against other countries.) The example given is one of racism (showing hatred of a people) and not nationalism (supporting one's own country.)

[AleksM]

At 2/6/04 09:16 PM, Adun wrote: So I can say all mexicans are dirty or all africans eat chicken (i dont mean any of this

Ya but isnt that racism?

[diazepim]

it's not racism it's nationalism i.e. prejudism...

But bottomline its the TRUTH... and people just can't HANDLE THE TRUTH.

ALL GERMANS, i'm talkin ALL german fantasize about eating people... and ALL GERMANS play with poopoo.

ALL JAPANESE want to be GERMANS so they think about eating people and play with their doodoo.

All mexicans dirty.

ALL FRENCH women have hairy ass ARMPITS and they stink of BO so much that you can't ride the elevator with them.

ALL AFRICANS are HIV positive.

ALL Indian from India eat CURRY and SMELL LIKE CURRY. So do Pakis and Afghans.

ALL Middleeasterns are Camel Jockeys and smell like Camels.

ALL Jews are stingy and backstab people and friends and would sue to get 2 cent.

ALL Russians are alcoholics and drink vodka like water.... and all of their women weigh more than men.

ALL Chineses eat cats and monkeys and sell their daughter for like $10 to the sex slave traders.

ALL W. Virginian have sex with immediate family members.

ALL Canada.... hahahahahaahahahahah....

[Synesthesia]

At 2/7/04 11:59 AM, diazepim wrote:

:Stupid things

You... are... a...fool... This is like people saying All americans are godless, evil, corrupt, lascivious, ect...

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Nationalism and Racism are just two outcomes of the same personality disorder. When one's image of their own self worth drops so low that they have no way of rationalizing their right to exist, they justify it with vague connections to other groups. For example, a man in the south has no great accomplishments in his eyes and rather than working to improve himself he joins the KKK to proclaim the superiority of people who just happen to be biologically related to him.

This is just as bad as someone who's greatest pride is that they are a decendant of some noble in Europe.

The main thing though is that there's a difference between nationalism and genuine support of ones government. Nationalism is support simply because it is ones country. Genuine support is not support of the government, but having a belief in the same principles as the government.

[Proteas]

From www.dictionary.com;

na·tion·al·ism
n.

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

rac·ism
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I guess Nationalism and Racism kind of go hand in hand.

[diazepim]

At 2/7/04 02:14 PM, Synesthesia wrote:

At 2/7/04 11:59 AM, diazepim wrote: Stupid things

You... are... a...fool... This is like people saying All americans are godless, evil, corrupt, lascivious, ect...

Blasphemy!!! AMERICA IS the LIGHT in this dark world of ignorance. And I ... will guide the lost into the LIGHT. mainly most europeans and canadians.

[bumcheekcity]

For god's sake, diazepam, grow up. Youre not even mature enough to refrain from putting your age as '69' in your profile.

I now challenge you to give me a source for every sdingle claim you just made about 3 posts above this. I know you wont, you'll either flame me or ignore me, but you're just proving yourself to be more immature.

[TheShrike]

At 2/7/04 08:13 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/6/04 09:00 PM, TheShrike wrote: *kicks a frog*
(^this is parody, actually.)

Liek your kick a frog movie?

Just liek that.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/7/04 11:59 AM, diazepim wrote: ALL GERMANS, i'm talkin ALL german fantasize about eating people... and ALL GERMANS play with poopoo.
ALL FRENCH women have hairy ass ARMPITS and they stink of BO so much that you can't ride the elevator with them.
ALL Russians are alcoholics and drink vodka like water.... and all of their women weigh more than men.

Hey, your pretty right on there. I'm usually playing with with my crap while scratching my hairy armpit with one hand and drinking cheap vodka with the other...

eery

[diazepim]

At 2/7/04 08:29 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 2/7/04 11:59 AM, diazepim wrote: ALL GERMANS, i'm talkin ALL german fantasize about eating people... and ALL GERMANS play with poopoo.
ALL FRENCH women have hairy ass ARMPITS and they stink of BO so much that you can't ride the elevator with them.
ALL Russians are alcoholics and drink vodka like water.... and all of their women weigh more than men.

Hey, your pretty right on there. I'm usually playing with with my crap while scratching my hairy armpit with one hand and drinking cheap vodka with the other...

See bumcheeky? Not only do I have to back up my claim myself, people will usually admit their doings.

Okay, maybe not all but it's like 99.999% or close to everybody.

Maybe I haven't seen every French women's armpit... but of the random population I have sampled, they'v got hairy armpits.... okay I won't post site, but do a search engine for hairy women... and a lot of word "french" comes up.

Okay maybe not every german and japanese people play with doodoo. but a lot of them do. I don't even wanna know why. Just search engine poop or doodoo or shit and sex together... a lot of German name and Japanese names come up.

and 90% of HIV is from Africa... here's the link: HIV in Africa

and here's another Chinese Cat Cusine and another Chinese eat everything.

And of West Virginia... phheeeww!!

okay maybe I was being a little too extreme with the adjective "all" just replace with "nearly every" or "most" or "a lot of" or "almost every"...

where do you think stereotypes come from? They are based on FACTS.

[diazepim]

At 2/7/04 08:29 PM, red_skunk wrote:
Hey, your pretty right on there. I'm usually playing with with my crap while scratching my hairy armpit with one hand and drinking cheap vodka with the other...

eery

so that means you're Canadian?

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 02:00 AM, diazepim wrote: so that means you're Canadian?

French-Canadian

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/8/04 01:49 AM, diazepim wrote: Okay maybe not every german and japanese people play with doodoo. but a lot of them do. I don't even wanna know why. Just search engine poop or doodoo or shit and sex together... a lot of German name and Japanese names come up.

Do they? Now give me your source for 'a lot'. You have no idea, do you? How many women of german/japanese descent have you seen playing with doodoo? Divide this number by the total number of Germans and Japanese in the world.

You get a pretty small percentage.

[AleksM]

At 2/8/04 02:18 AM, red_skunk wrote:

At 2/8/04 02:00 AM, diazepim wrote: so that means you're Canadian?

French-Canadian

Ummm arent all canadians supposed to be french candian?

[H-Dawg]

I think many of you missed Marijuanaclock's point a few steps back in this string. Race (and you can read Paul Gilroy's definitive book on this subject called _Against Race_ (written in 2000)) is a social construction. In other words, people only have a "race" in relation to other made up constructions of race. People thought at one time that skin-colour was an accurate way to view someone's race, but anthropology (and as Gilroy demonstrates in his book) and the scientific community now don't recognize visual signifiers of skin colour or features because they are so varied within any given racial group that they cannot be "labelled" accurately, and they don't have any bearing on a person's racial "characteristics" anyways. Thus, where race at one time was thought of as a person's racial "origin," science and philosophy has concluded that no such origins exist. "Race" is a cultural construction that always has been and continues to be in a state of "becoming." Just like nationhood. Race was once thought of as being connected to nationhood. But as Benedict Anderson (in his famous book _Imagined Communities_ (1983)) has shown, a nation is never more than an "imagined political community - and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign" (6). In other words, go to the border. There is no ray of light comming down from heaven separating one piece of dirt from another. But the line is palpable, because we imagine it to be so. And we defend that imaginary line with our lives, with the military, with trade agreements, with laws. And national citizenship is always exclusionary, because the only thing a concept of a "*U.S. citizen" does is to exclude everyone else who doesn't exactly fit that description. Look at the early U.S. constitution. Blacks weren't considered U.S. citizens. They were property. So, this imagined community, at that time, was exclusively imagined by whites.

[diazepim]

At 2/8/04 03:31 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Do they? Now give me your source for 'a lot'. You have no idea, do you? How many women of german/japanese descent have you seen playing with doodoo? Divide this number by the total number of Germans and Japanese in the world.

You get a pretty small percentage.

The adjective of a lot has no bearing on percentage. Maybe like 1 percent of world population seem small for you... but given that there's 5 billion people on earth... that makes about 50 MILLION people on earth... that's how many schizophrenics there are on EArth because it's like 1 out of 100 people are crazy... THAT's A LOT o A SHIT load of people.

10% of people homosexual... so that means there are 500 MILLION homosexual people in the world... that's a LOT....

For playing with POOP... i've seen about 300 Germans and 200 Japanese people play with doodoo on the internet, rough estimate... THAT'S 300 Germand and 200Japanese TOO MANY meaning THAT's ALOT German and Japanese playing with doodoo.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 01:05 PM, Master_Ninja wrote: Ummm arent all canadians supposed to be french candian?

How the hell should I know, I'm not from friggin Canada. Jeez, lay off already.

[AleksM]

At 2/8/04 02:15 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 2/8/04 01:05 PM, Master_Ninja wrote: Ummm arent all canadians supposed to be french candian?

How the hell should I know, I'm not from friggin Canada. Jeez, lay off already.

Woah? Dude what did I do? I am just saying canada is a bilingual country. And to be true canadian you have to know french to.. It isnt rasict or nothing.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/8/04 03:27 PM, Master_Ninja wrote: Woah? Dude what did I do? I am just saying canada is a bilingual country. And to be true canadian you have to know french to.. It isnt rasict or nothing.

No, well, I'm not Canadian, but they aren't all of French descent....