You all draw like a bunch of kids!

[ornery]

Ever since the release of the art portal its become more and more apparent that way to many users draw like a bunch of grade school children. And despite this fact they still feel that their work is good enough to showcase....

The problem is that whenever you tell a 15 year old kid that he draws like a 5 year old he gets offended and tries to defend it with "nuh uh, a 5 year old does a bunch of scribbles." Well not quite. And finally I have proof of that.

Every drawing I have ever done in my life I have saved, dont ask me why. So recently because of the slew of garbage being submitted I decided to show people what exactly the work of a kid actually looks like.

Consider this thread a resource you can use next time you see a piece of shit and need some work of a 6 year old to compare it to. Or if your works looks like anything in here, use it as incentive to get better.

The following work was done while I was in grade school (pre-k to 5th grade)

To start here is a piece i did when i was 4 YEARS OLD. Yes you heard me, 4. That FOUR YEARS OLD. And while it is a little better than the average stuff I did at that age it was still done BY A 4 YEAR OLD KID.

[ornery]

This next piece was also done when I was 4 YEARS OLD

Its a little more typical of my style at the time, and matches all to well with the style of certain 13-16 year old's here on NG.

Now don't assume that I am unique that just because i draw good now means that i was some sort of prodigy. This shit sucks, as you can see. I definitely improved over the years but it was normally around each time I went to a new school level (from elementary to middle to high school to college).

The point I'm trying to get across is that some people need to either step up their efforts or give up if they are in their late teens and matching the work of a child.

[ornery]

Now for a piece done when I was 5 YEARS OLD

Already there is some improvement, composition is becoming a tad stronger, but its still a flaming piece of shit. This thing was actually part of a two page drawing, which explains the staples.

FUN FACT
Being made in 1991 this piece is older than a lot of NG users

[ornery]

Here is one from when I was 6 YEARS OLD

God this one is gross to look at. I remember thinking at the time that the ground was composed of dead mosquitoes who bit this dude and died. Yeah it sucks ass, but already at 6 YEARS OLD its starting to surpass the quality of some people's stuff.

[GrumpyTom]

Woah, Woah, calm...

I see what your saying and i would agree with the fact that a lot of users don't put a hell of a lot of effort into their work, on the other side of the spectrum people who actually do put effort in sometimes get bombed anyway. I guess it all depends on the mood of the users commenting at the time of the post, interestingly a lot of threads were said users post their artwork that is not 'shit hot' get lots of comments.

Yeah, elaborate...

[Jarvid]

Have you read drawing on the right side of the mind? Some people stop developing their drawing ability at a certain age, no reason to post it though. Hope this helps.

[Zanroth]

...
Yup, total lack of improvement.

All jokes aside, the amount of doodles and crap is a lot lower than one would expect from a place where 13 year are free to poop out their stuff as well.

[Jarvid]

At 8/6/09 05:36 PM, Zanroth wrote: ...
Yup, total lack of improvement.

All jokes aside, the amount of doodles and crap is a lot lower than one would expect from a place where 13 year are free to poop out their stuff as well.

I think the rant going on here mostly applies to the unscouted section. All the talent has been removed, and lots of crappy ms paint collages.

While your rant may appear to be douchey put downs and self absorbed rambling, I believe that was not your intent. Your just citing from your own life, and trying to cope with the immense frustration that is the art portal.

[GrumpyTom]

At 8/6/09 05:42 PM, Jarvid wrote:

While your rant may appear to be douchey put downs and self absorbed rambling, I believe that was not your intent. Your just citing from your own life, and trying to cope with the immense frustration that is the art portal.

Hmmmm yes... *places pipe in mouth in an intelligent manner*

The outcome of this thread is uncertain.

[bigjonny13]

Keep going, this is amusing.

[ornery]

At 8/6/09 05:42 PM, Jarvid wrote: I think the rant going on here mostly applies to the unscouted section. All the talent has been removed, and lots of crappy ms paint collages.

it applies to the unscouted, and the scouted when some of the crappier people manage to get in. It also applies to the art forum, and really art in general.

While your rant may appear to be douchey put downs and self absorbed rambling, I believe that was not your intent. Your just citing from your own life, and trying to cope with the immense frustration that is the art portal.

I'm not tooting my own horn by any means here. This shit sucks, by any standards, regardless of age. The point I'm proving is that bad art is bad art, age doesn't matter. However if you are making something and you are 15 and its on level with the stuff of a 7 year old, you may want to reconsider your talents.
Also this thread will hopefully help eliminate the wonderful saying "hey i know it sucks, but I'm 13 give me a break." Age doesnt matter, do a certain degree. A 13 yo shouldn't be making 4yo quality work and then try to showcase it. Im not saying every one needs to match their age, I'm just saying that there is no excuse for thinking that have the skill level of a child is good reason to post stuff.

I ALSO INVITE ANY OTHER OF THE SITES BEST ARTISTS TO POST SOME OF THEIR OWN STUFF FROM WHEN THEY WERE REALLY REALLY YOUNG

But back on topic.

This piece I did when I was7 YEARS OLD

I was kinda fucked up as a kid I suppose, but I think this might have been my first attempt at perspective, and my god did it fail. I distinctly remember this thing trying to be one guy is laying down in front of the other guy.

[sucho]

is this the new standard by which we must delete?

[ornery]

This next one really hits home with some users on here and was done at age 8 YEARS OLD

Its got everything that your typical NG user puts in their shitty work.
Lined Paper? Check
No knowledge of anatomical structure or musculature? Check
Sword? Check
Stupid fucking full frontal stance? Check

[CypressDahlia]

At 8/6/09 05:32 PM, GrumpyTom wrote:
I see what your saying and i would agree with the fact that a lot of users don't put a hell of a lot of effort into their work, on the other side of the spectrum people who actually do put effort in sometimes get bombed anyway.

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

[J-qb]

At 8/6/09 05:58 PM, sucho wrote: is this the new standard by which we must delete?

No, Its more of a "if your 7 year old son is drawing stuff like this, dont be disturbed"-thread.
Sure it might be fucked up, and he`ll probably have a few loose ends, but he`ll turn out to be quite a skilled artist. In 15 years

[Jarvid]

Can I contribute? I have a map of mexico I did in fourth grade, It's highly accurate, although I referenced heavilt.

[TheDaveAngle]

At 8/6/09 06:04 PM, CypressDahlia wrote:

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

It's unjust isn't it?

[ornery]

At 8/6/09 05:58 PM, sucho wrote: is this the new standard by which we must delete?

If a user wants to have work this bad on their user page let them. Personally I would be ashamed to showcase such garbage. But hey if they want to make themselves look stupid, its their problem. If this thread does its job, hopefully they will be so ashamed they will remove their own stuff.

This one is here really to show that yes, even I drew stupid anime shit at one point. WHEN I WAS FUCKING 9 YEARS OLD AND THEN GREW OUT OF IT 2 YEARS LATER!

So here we go, a crappy anime drawing from a 9 YEAR OLD. This one really should sting a few people, especially since it seems anime manga is the style of choice for most users.

[J-qb]

At 8/6/09 05:32 PM, GrumpyTom wrote: I see what your saying and i would agree with the fact that a lot of users don't put a hell of a lot of effort into their work, on the other side of the spectrum people who actually do put effort in sometimes get bombed anyway.

This is really not about whether you put in effort or not. (As I see it)
It is more about recognizing that your art is not good. It is not a problem if you are not skillful in arts, im not skillful in the french language, no problemo. It becomes a problem if I go to france and insist on speaking french (poorly).

just an example mind you. I actually speak fluent french in three different dialects, oui oui.

ok I dont. :(

The point is, it doesnt (or at least not as much) require skill in making art to recognize your art sucks.
I, and im guessing Ornery with me (or vice versa, whatever suits you) feel that poeple think "ooh yeah this drawing sucks, im gonna go and put it up on the portal". Or something along those lines.
This is actually corroborated by poeple stating "I know it sucks but...." in their art descriptions

[CypressDahlia]

At 8/6/09 06:10 PM, TheDaveAngle wrote:

At 8/6/09 06:04 PM, CypressDahlia wrote:

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

It's unjust isn't it?

I don't care unless someone is blatantly talking shit about my drawing style. If they're closet-hating on me, it's cool, as long as they keep their mouths shut. But I realize that even on the forums, people who can't do much more than simple cartoon styles or can't do anything but draw from reference get monumental praise whereas manga artists are either condemned or ignored. I'm surprised I have as many supporters as I do. The irony is that Manga tends to be generally much more detailed and demands more accuracy than cartooning or drawing from reference (copying skillz, gaiz).

Apparently, having read the last post made by Ornery, this is a point in case situation.

[ornery]

At 8/6/09 06:21 PM, CypressDahlia wrote:

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

Cypress. I respect the hell out of anime and manga styles. But only when its done right and when its done well (like your stuff, you're one of the gud'uns). Its just that 99% of the anime or manga on this site and others is the same generic dull mediocre or poorly done junk. When i was a kid i considered drawing from a reference to be no better than tracing. However I realized that there is a difference in just drawing straight from one photograph and using references (plural). I always say if you are going to do nothing but copy straight from one source whats the point. It's when you add something more to it in the drawing is where the real skill and talent come in.

People who can draw well using no references are always on my list of top artists, however the downside to the anime style, even when done well is that it becomes formulaic. I still hold the truly great anime artists in high regard, but they will never be above those who can draw realistically without the use of references.

[GrumpyTom]

At 8/6/09 06:04 PM, CypressDahlia wrote:

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

True story , true story

[TheSilentWolf]

im starting to recall a lot of drawings that have been, scouted and posted in the art portal, looking a lot like these drawings. It pisses me off because when i put days effort in my drawings and I'm still un-scouted these 13 yr old kids can post doodles of what they did on ms paint or gimp and they get scouted before me, its shit >:/.

[SnakeSkull]

Hmm, you seem to have a very solid point here. It kinda makes me a good bit disappointed on the look of my art. Oh well, I'm due to another improvement spurt anyways.

[CypressDahlia]

At 8/6/09 06:33 PM, ornery wrote:

At 8/6/09 06:21 PM, CypressDahlia wrote:

If you draw manga style, you get shit just for drawing manga style. Trufax.

Cypress. I respect the hell out of anime and manga styles. But only when its done right and when its done well (like your stuff, you're one of the gud'uns). Its just that 99% of the anime or manga on this site and others is the same generic dull mediocre or poorly done junk. When i was a kid i considered drawing from a reference to be no better than tracing. However I realized that there is a difference in just drawing straight from one photograph...

Legit response. --Using references-- is a professional method for artists to learn. Drawing from reference (which basically means copying a preexisting picture) is what I'm beefing about. That's why I despise doing still-lifes for my art portfolio; "I thought you wanted me to showcase my ability to CREATE, not my ability to MIMIC".

But you do realize that 90% of a manga drawing is pretty much realism, right? Just with bigger eyes and weird colored hair. The material of manga and the material of traditional realism is really very similar. In fact, most manga artists study hardcore realism first, then morph it into a manga style later after they've become comfortable with anatomy and human proportion. It's really those guys who dive straight into "animu lol" that ruin it for the rest of us.

[Zyphonee]

Did this a year ago, when I was 12.

Awful arm, lmao

[Lundsfryd]

There are memes in all types of crafts. The reason why manga is so hated among alot of artist is because it is so popular. Basicly what it is about is that all those 13-year old wannabe artists take up space. And then we artists get all sour because we can't have our artist-ego's boosted 500 times everytime we post a picture, since the art portals all over the internet are drowning in in pictures made by people with no real ambition of create anything with any substance.
And then what have we got left? What do we get for all the time we spend on our craft? Well it isn't for the money right? Does it get you the chicks (well, it worked for DiCaprio in Titanic, but you know)? The problem is that that little high you get when you post your pictures and somebody praises you it is addicting. And spammers makes it harder to get your fix :S

[BlackmarketKraig]

Shit is shit no matter what age you are, if you wanna post shit, do it in your own profile.