Xbox Pro = Discontinued.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

Well, not officially yet. It looks like the rumors a few months ago were true. Microsoft will be discontinuing the Pro model and make the Xbox 360 Elite the standard 360. That will likely mean a slash in price for the Pros to get them out of stock and a major price cut for the Elite. But what this also likely means is that the PS3 price cut/slim is more than likely true as well considering it was rumored from the same source. August 18th Sony is expected to make its move, no word on when Microsoft will announce/confirm their move.

Source.

[dmansland]

Great news. Maybe now I can afford an XBOX 360 Elite and play all the exclusives I missed out on.

[Jerkapotamus]

Microsoft always counters Sony's moves. Some sort of price cut was expected.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

At 8/6/09 01:18 AM, Jerkapotamus wrote: Microsoft always counters Sony's moves. Some sort of price cut was expected.

As they should if they want to stay ahead in the market. Oh the holidays are going to be so fun this year.

[iCurrie]

At 8/6/09 01:18 AM, Jerkapotamus wrote: Microsoft always counters Sony's moves. Some sort of price cut was expected

Hence the reason they're the largest company in the world.

I'm quite happy with this. I currently own an Elite, But If the Pro's go down enough, I'll likely buy one and hook it up somewhere else. But I still think they'll keep elites up at a high price overall but obviously be brought down a certain amount.

Also, They're likely doing this also to save money. Because, With the amount of repairs taking place due to the RROD's. Selling elites will make this a lot less, and possibly raise profits in the long run. regardless of lowering the price.

[Grubby]

I'll be proud to keep my Pro.

Rock on hombre, 3 years of pure fun so far.

[Jerkapotamus]

At 8/6/09 01:21 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: As they should if they want to stay in second place in the market. Oh the holidays are going to be so fun this year.

Fixed that for you.

I think the outcome of the holidays will probably depend on how many of the Sony rumors are true. Slim/Price drop is a given. GT5, MAG, and PS2 backwards compatability through software emulation are the other possibilities. I think GT5 and MAG holiday releases are probably true. The B/C is also probably true, but not this holiday I don't think. If one of those games is added to Sony's lineup, I think the PS3 will have a pretty clear software edge. Add both and it's a runaway, assuming MAG doesn't suck.

From the "system seller" software perspective, I think Sony has a bit of an edge as well. Halo ODST and Forza 3 already have previous releases on the system. If you're a big Forza or Halo fan, you probably already have the system. Halo ODST will sell some systems in conjunction with a price cut, but not anywhere near to the extent that Halo 3 did. Uncharted 2 and GT5, on the other hand, have the potential to sell quite a few system. Uncharted 2 demos very well and the first one came out when the system wasn't very affordable, so a lot of people didn't buy the system at that time. With a price cut, Uncharted 2 should cause a bunch of people to hop on board. GT5 is, of course, a huge franchise that will sell a bunch of consoles whenever it comes out.

Actual console sales are a bit tricky to predict, since we don't really know exactly what the prices will be, but I expect it to be fairly competitive. I don't think the PS3 will be dominated in sales like last year.

Any chance either the 360 or PS3 manage to sell more than the Wii for a month? Maybe the month of the price cut(s).

[Fezz]

Hmm.....this is a good idea. When my 360 RRoD's again, I'll either get it fixed and sell it, or just sell it broken on ebay, then get one of these bad boys for a bigger HDD.

[Grubby]

Even if the PS3 beats the Xbox 360 in sales this holiday season (which is highly probable with the new releases) I doubt the PS3 will EVER even come close to catching up to the 360.

Microsoft's only Achilles heel are RROD's which might turn people to PS3's. But so far, my Xbox 360 has only RROD once and my new one has no problems whatsoever.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

At 8/6/09 01:49 AM, Jerkapotamus wrote: Fixed that for you.

Any chance either the 360 or PS3 manage to sell more than the Wii for a month? Maybe the month of the price cut(s).

You know I meant ahead of Sony in the market you sly dog you. Sony did fine last year. They outsold Microsoft for a good portion of the year mainly thanks to MGS4. Once Microsoft dropped the price and released a bunch of JRPGs though things switched around in the 360's favor and has since been. I think we are going to see GT5 this year, still not sure about MAG. Microsoft seems to have a clear plan though, take over the living room. With the new Games on Demand feature coming next week and now th 120 gig Elite soon becoming the standard console it seems they are changing their console to fit their plan one move at a time.

Both consoles have a good line up this Holiday season. I think it will come down to pricing and bundles. Most people are aware of what is coming out and have made up their minds pretty much. Now that I think about it, it all comes down to pricing and advertising.

[Jerkapotamus]

At 8/6/09 01:50 AM, Grubby wrote: Even if the PS3 beats the Xbox 360 in sales this holiday season (which is highly probable with the new releases) I doubt the PS3 will EVER even come close to catching up to the 360.

It would be tough for the PS3 to catch the 360 in the US. Not impossible, given how long this generation is going to take, but not likely. I guess maybe if Natal gives people cancer and Sony's Motion Controller heals it.

Microsoft's only Achilles heel are RROD's which might turn people to PS3's. But so far, my Xbox 360 has only RROD once and my new one has no problems whatsoever.

Nah, I don't see RROD as being much of an issue anymore. A new console buyer shouldn't care, since the newer ones are pretty stable. Microsoft's biggest problem is their lack of first-party studios., worsened by the departure and death of Bungie and Ensemble, respectively. Well, Bungie's departure hasn't really had an affect yet, but it could if they ever go multiplatform. Microsoft has managed to compensate pretty well with the help of third-party studios, but they could definitely use a couple more in-house studios.

[Jerkapotamus]

At 8/6/09 01:56 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: With the new Games on Demand feature coming next week

It's a shame they can't offer new games on that service. I'm guessing retail pressure is preventing that.

Now that I think about it, it all comes down to pricing and advertising.

Sony's two biggest strengths this generation!!!

Seriously, what happened to the people that came up with commercials for PS2 games? They were way better than just about every PS3 ad-campaign. Killzone 2 had the first acceptable commercial I can remember. I was reading a thread on GAF asking 'How Does Sony Market Uncharted 2 Correctly?' Someone responded, "Hire Microsoft." Sad, but true. Actually, quite funny as well.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

At 8/6/09 02:11 AM, Jerkapotamus wrote: Seriously, what happened to the people that came up with commercials for PS2 games? They were way better than just about every PS3 ad-campaign. Killzone 2 had the first acceptable commercial I can remember. I was reading a thread on GAF asking 'How Does Sony Market Uncharted 2 Correctly?' Someone responded, "Hire Microsoft." Sad, but true. Actually, quite funny as well.

I don't know but they seemed to have improved. I personally like the fact they brought back the "Play-Stay-Shun" think they had from the PS1 days. And now they have their exclusives say "Only on PlayStation".

Their commercials pretty much suck for the most part. I really liked the one advertisement with the P.O.D. song they had last year though. Do you want it...ladies and gentlemen.

[Robotussin]

Hey cutie

[Jerkapotamus]

At 8/6/09 02:28 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: Their commercials pretty much suck for the most part. I really liked the one advertisement with the P.O.D. song they had last year though. Do you want it...ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah, that one was excellent except they had a couple of things that weren't out at the time (Home is the only one I remember, but I think there were a few games as well). MGS4 had fairly good ad support as well, but I'm not sure how much of that was Sony and how much of that was Konami.

Holy Crap these still scare me though.

[hausoft]

well its not a big deal for people like me who already have one.

[leetspeaker]

Too bad the Xbox 360 in my home belongs to my currently 11 year old fanboy brother who calls himself "Teh uber pro" on Xbox Live

[zogo1]

At 8/6/09 01:42 AM, Grubby wrote: I'll be proud to keep my Pro.

Rock on hombre, 3 years of pure fun so far.

I'm with ya!

[SatanHam]

is pro the regular one? (the ones that first came out)

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

At 8/6/09 02:25 PM, SatanHam wrote: is pro the regular one? (the ones that first came out)

The pro is the 60 gig model. It is in the middle ground between the two extreme versions of the 360. The Arcade is just the bare essentials and the Elite is the beefed up version.

[Jackho]

At 8/6/09 02:26 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:
The pro is the 60 gig model

then W(hy)TF did mine come with a 20GB HDD?

[SatanHam]

At 8/6/09 02:43 PM, Jackho wrote:

At 8/6/09 02:26 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:
The pro is the 60 gig model

then W(hy)TF did mine come with a 20GB HDD?

lol mine2.

[zimzap]

At 8/6/09 02:43 PM, Jackho wrote:

At 8/6/09 02:26 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:
The pro is the 60 gig model

then W(hy)TF did mine come with a 20GB HDD?

Because you bought it near release, as did I. I am constantly deleting demos and content to keep my HDD above three gigs free.

[TheMaster]

At 8/6/09 02:28 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: Their commercials pretty much suck for the most part. I really liked the one advertisement with the P.O.D. song they had last year though. Do you want it...ladies and gentlemen.

Do they have more games adverts in the states or something? There's VERY few over here. Wii Sports Resort has one airing, and Guitar Hero 3 had one when that came out, Gears of War had one for a while, Metal Gear Solid 4 had one for like 2 weeks, but that's it. I don't think I've EVER seen adverts for the consoles themselves.

[Soapbubble]

Well, according to IGN, a representative from Microsoft said that they had made no such announcement, but he didn't say it was a blatant lie. He simply said they'd make sure that all retailers would have the necessary hardware.

Who knows?

[xscoot]

I usually get large amounts of money at Christmas. Couple this with the price drop, and I might get myself a 360.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

At 8/6/09 02:51 PM, TheMaster wrote:

At 8/6/09 02:28 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: Their commercials pretty much suck for the most part. I really liked the one advertisement with the P.O.D. song they had last year though. Do you want it...ladies and gentlemen.

Do they have more games adverts in the states or something? There's VERY few over here. Wii Sports Resort has one airing, and Guitar Hero 3 had one when that came out, Gears of War had one for a while, Metal Gear Solid 4 had one for like 2 weeks, but that's it. I don't think I've EVER seen adverts for the consoles themselves.

In the states you really only see console commercials around Christmas time or around the launch of the console (obviously). But when they do air the console advertisements, Sony's usually are lackluster and/or just confusing and creepy to the consumer (Jerk's post). At least in the past they have been, they are stepping it up this year. They have a big promotion going on with Madden 10 here in the states with exclusive commercials, MLG exclusivity and some other things.

[SatanHam]

At 8/6/09 02:26 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:

At 8/6/09 02:25 PM, SatanHam wrote: is pro the regular one? (the ones that first came out)

The pro is the 60 gig model. It is in the middle ground between the two extreme versions of the 360. The Arcade is just the bare essentials and the Elite is the beefed up version.

thx.
i just didnt know the name of the regular one.
im familiar with the other ones.

[Jerkapotamus]

At 8/6/09 02:51 PM, TheMaster wrote: Do they have more games adverts in the states or something? There's VERY few over here. Wii Sports Resort has one airing, and Guitar Hero 3 had one when that came out, Gears of War had one for a while, Metal Gear Solid 4 had one for like 2 weeks, but that's it. I don't think I've EVER seen adverts for the consoles themselves.

Sony really only ran console-only ads when there were few games out (Resistance and then Motorstorm were the only ones at the time). The one he's talking about showcased a bunch of games along with the system. From the sounds of it, the US probably does have a bit more game advertisements. I saw the Killzone 2 ad (where the camera follows the bullet) a fair number of times and also a couple of inFAMOUS ads. There's an EA sports games ad that has been running for awhile now and Microsoft usually has a pretty good push for all of its exclusives. Up to Killzone 2, it was very rare that I saw a PS3 game advertised (aside from MGS4). I think they figured they weren't going to sell many copies anyways, so there was no reason to throw another $10 million at it.

[SatanHam]

At 8/6/09 02:51 PM, TheMaster wrote: stuff

ps3 were on all the time.
last year.
there is also alot of wii commercials.