Islam Paradox

[studmuffin7]

Disclaimer: This is NOT to become a flame thread so don't even start or so help me... I'll find out where
you live and shove a pine cone up your ass. Then I'll reap your pet dog.

So I was doing some spiritual research today and I hit upon an interesting question: "What do Muslims believe regarding Jesus Christ?". I went to wikipedia.com for the answers (in case you can't find the page, it's below).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Is lam

It seems Jesus Christ is considered a prophet in the Muslim religion. However, they do not view Him as the Son of God that He is. However, Jesus told people that He was the Son of God. How do Muslims reconcile believing Him to be a perfect prophet yet ignoring His claim to be the Son of God?

Seems like a paradox to me.

Remember, no flame wars! Let's just intellectualitize and thinkerize this issue like intellectualers.

-Studmuffin7

[JamesKnox]

At 7/31/09 09:40 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Let's just intellectualitize and thinkerize this issue like intellectualers.

Not going to happen, I can tell you that right now.

[Snake-Arsenic]

Maybe Islamic people don't believe every single prophet is the son of god? You might be better off asking on an Islamic forum.

[FaceNine]

According to christianity, he told everyone he was the son of god. It is very possible that, according to them, he never said this.

[MultiCanimefan]

The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

[Master117chief]

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

The Bible talks?

[NeverHundred]

Every religion has it's paradoxes. They all have their flaws. But that doesn't matter to it's believers, because they have faith and anything that seems to suggest that there might be something inaccurate or untrue about their religion is just shrugged off as a test or trick.

[Snake-Arsenic]

I think the paradox is because you are applying Christianity to Islam. It's kinda like a Buddhist saying how can Christians believe in heaven and hell and not multiple levels of heaven and hell.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/31/09 09:48 PM, Master117chief wrote:

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

The Bible talks?

Only to me because I feed it oxen everyday.

[skatin-andy]

There are two answers that I can think of right away.

One is that through all of the translations the Bible has gone through what Jesus really said has lost some context and meaning. He never said he was the Son of God, but merely a prophet. Or he used terminology that makes him a step above a prophet, or a higher order prophet and it is just commonly translated into Son of God.

The second answer is that Jesus never said anything about him being the Son of God or a prophet at all. Since all of the stories in the Bible were passed on orally before being written down and they were told from the perspective of people other than Jesus there was some embellishment on the part of the authors of the New Testament.

[JamesKnox]

It's a government conspiracy I tell ya!

[Krbyfan1]

At 7/31/09 09:48 PM, Master117chief wrote:

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

The Bible talks?

The Bible whispers sweet nothings to me when we're making love.

[NeverHundred]

At 7/31/09 09:53 PM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: I think the paradox is because you are applying Christianity to Islam. It's kinda like a Buddhist saying how can Christians believe in heaven and hell and not multiple levels of heaven and hell.

Dante's Inferno was cool though. Well, the layers of hell were interesting the layers of heaven were kind of boring. But it was not nearly as cool as the stuff found in the Tibetan book of the dead. Which had the verious hells and heavens that most traditional Buddhists believe exist.

[RaptorJesus]

At 7/31/09 09:56 PM, Krbyfan1 wrote:

At 7/31/09 09:48 PM, Master117chief wrote:

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

The Bible talks?

The Bible whispers sweet nothings to me when we're making love.

Lucky! My Bible never talked, never even screamed when I burned it either.

[ifureadthisdie]

At 7/31/09 09:40 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Disclaimer: This is NOT to become a flame thread

Inevitable

[Purples]

At 7/31/09 10:02 PM, mrgreg846 wrote: Lucky! My Bible never talked, never even screamed when I burned it either.

i know right! i though i was gonna get struck down by a lightning bolt or something, but nothing happened. that book is full of shit.

[RaptorJesus]

At 7/31/09 10:08 PM, Purples wrote:

At 7/31/09 10:02 PM, mrgreg846 wrote: Lucky! My Bible never talked, never even screamed when I burned it either.

i know right! i though i was gonna get struck down by a lightning bolt or something, but nothing happened. that book is full of shit.

I've tried burning Qurans too. Nothing.

Back to original topic though. I took World Religions at my college so you'd think I'd have something meaningful to contribute but the course was taught by a Christian enthusiast with much bias.

We spent little time in other religions and then huge section on Christianity (the most boring of the 5 main religions IMO). In Islam we learned Jesus was portrayed as doing some weird stuff that doesn't happen in the Bible. Like in Islam it's believed Jesus spoke as a newborn baby.

Crazy I know but look it up for yourself, or here's a link to one page on it.

[Podburrys]

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, FaceNine wrote: According to christianity, he told everyone he was the son of god. It is very possible that, according to them, he never said this.

I'm inclined to say this. Just because something happens in one religion does not mean it happens in another - look at the neverending branches of Christianity that exist based on different belief and interpretation of the Bible alone. Also, Islamic people don't really care what you think about thier religion, so why do you?

[DevourerJay]

At 7/31/09 09:40 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Disclaimer: This is NOT to become a flame thread so don't even start or so help me... I'll find out where
you live and shove a pine cone up your ass. Then I'll reap your pet dog.

Islam is the religion for uber fags... also, terrorists...
also wrong site to state such a disclaimer

[MonkeyV]

At 7/31/09 09:47 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The Bible said that Jesus said He was the Son of God.

Was it really mandatory to capitalize all of those words?

[RaptorJesus]

At 7/31/09 10:21 PM, Podburrys wrote: Also, Islamic people don't really care what you think about thier religion, so why do you?

That's somewhat an ignorant stance. I was atheist, basically against all religion before taking World Religions. And though Buddhists don't care what my religion is, I found enlightenment in theirs.

That's why.

[Podburrys]

At 7/31/09 10:24 PM, mrgreg846 wrote:

At 7/31/09 10:21 PM, Podburrys wrote: Also, Islamic people don't really care what you think about thier religion, so why do you?

That's somewhat an ignorant stance. I was atheist, basically against all religion before taking World Religions. And though Buddhists don't care what my religion is, I found enlightenment in theirs.

That's why.

That's the most rediculous stance I've heard yet. So basically your saying judgement on other religions is fine in accordance to how it works for you? It's how it works for them, and thier effects on the outside world that it should be judged by. On the whole, Islam tends to keep to itself with the exception of extreamists. They judge the outside world as degrading, and certainly prefer to keep to themselves over exposure to it (for the majority). Someone who did a course on World Religions surely would have picked up on this? Or did you get the usual course where the teacher goes on about Christianity for 3/4 of it?

[RaptorJesus]

At 7/31/09 10:32 PM, Podburrys wrote:

At 7/31/09 10:21 PM, Podburrys wrote:

That's the most rediculous stance I've heard yet. So basically your saying judgement on other religions is fine in accordance to how it works for you? It's how it works for them, and thier effects on the outside world that it should be judged by. On the whole, Islam tends to keep to itself with the exception of extreamists. They judge the outside world as degrading, and certainly prefer to keep to themselves over exposure to it (for the majority). Someone who did a course on World Religions surely would have picked up on this? Or did you get the usual course where the teacher goes on about Christianity for 3/4 of it?

Ok you need to read what I wrote again because you completely misinterpreted it. What I'm saying is I had the same ignorance and it's important to at least look into/study/check out other religions regardless of what they think.

What you said is just what I was saying, it's all about how it works for them.

[Podburrys]

At 7/31/09 10:37 PM, mrgreg846 wrote: Ok you need to read what I wrote again because you completely misinterpreted it. What I'm saying is I had the same ignorance and it's important to at least look into/study/check out other religions regardless of what they think.

What you said is just what I was saying, it's all about how it works for them.

What? You didn't say that at all. What you implied was that religion can be accepting. At most.

And even that is ironic. Religion is the main divider of people in this age.

[KrevZabijak]

I agree with the person who said only the Bible cast Jesus (named Isa within the Qu'ran) as a prophet.
Islam respects Abrahamic religions, so get started on those other prophets, too. :)

[scubastan089]

Well since you got all of your information wikapedia i doubt your going to find ever single detail. So unless you actually read the Qu'ran I wouldn't risk a possible war.

[He-Who-Never-Was]

At 7/31/09 09:40 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: However, they do not view Him as the Son of God that He is.

Where is your proof he is the son of God?

Oh wait....

[Attacknun]

The Jewish belive the same thing. That jesus is only a prophet. Anyway that's not the definition of a paradox.

[RaptorJesus]

At 7/31/09 10:53 PM, Podburrys wrote:

At 7/31/09 10:37 PM, mrgreg846 wrote:

What? You didn't say that at all. What you implied was that religion can be accepting. At most.

And even that is ironic. Religion is the main divider of people in this age.

Ok so I didn't "say" it, but that's what I "meant". And in no way do I see how I could have even implied that all religion is accepting. You made that part up.

So quit making stuff up and just read me nice & slow. All I'm saying is it's important to not have your head up your ass and to take some time to learn about the world's different religions.

Remember, nice & slow, and no making stuff up.

[HandsomePete]

He was a prophet who delivered a message of peace, and yet he wasn't the full on "Son of God." They just don't believe everything he said is all. If you want to talk about paradoxes in Christianity itself, now...