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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 05:55 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 05:30 PM, AngryCat wrote: You're paying for a brand, they're like Macs, except they don't suck.

Fucking Christ, Computer Partisans. Open up your collective anus and let the light of reality shine in, guys. Computers exist to serve as an end, not to act as the end itself. Each OS has its merits, and the people who use each OS do so for a specific reason, none of which your proselytizing and aspersion-casting is going to change. It is ridiculous for you to presume as much, and in fact as you rend apart the fabric which binds us, you destroy your own credibility as acting in the best interests of the assembly.

I have a Mac, but I paid for the operating system not the brand, which is coincidentally, the only way I can run such programs as Final Cut Pro and iMovie, both industry-standard video editing programs. I paid for its intuitive operations, it's anti-aliasing, font-smoothing, and general attention to graphical detail and user interface. For me, that alone is worth the price.

However, unlike nearly everybody else in this thread, I am capable of accepting that other people have a freedom of choice, and don't appreciate rabid partisans tearing at them like diseased zombie terrorists in a rash attempt to gain favor for their fringe medieval viewpoints in regards to a disagreement over lifestyle and use of a petty product that is used only as an extension of preference and personal ease of use -- a qualitative component that is independent of critical scrutiny anyways, and is impossible to render judgment upon.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 06:26 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 05:55 PM, Bolo wrote:
At 7/29/09 05:30 PM, AngryCat wrote: You're paying for a brand, they're like Macs, except they don't suck.
Blah blah fucking blah

No one cares about your thread. I dislike Macs because I believe they are a ripoff and I will continue to discourage people from buying them. It's good that you don't want people to troll each other over what computers or OS's they use, but you don't need to link to your thread with the same stupid copypasta every time someone bashes Mac or Windows. That's only needed if someone is trolling or being ignorant.

I was making a comparison between Mac and Alienware. Whenever I see someone bragging about their new computer from Mac or Alienware it's usually because it has a light up keyboard or it's shiny or some BS like that all while having no idea of the crappy or cheap hardware that is inside those things and how much they got screwed over. I'm sick of companies charging too much money for something just because they know people will buy it because of the logo that is on it.

That's my opinion, and there's some facts in there too. Deal with it.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 06:33 PM Reply

I love the computer I built. Plus when I did it I learned a ton about computer hardware.

Yeah its really easy, anyone who can build legos can build a computer. But the builds you posted are kinda bad...I bet I could make better ones for the price lol. Especially the last one, you're getting seriously ripped off with that build.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 06:55 PM Reply

all of the computers I owned were built from the ground up.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:02 PM Reply

what about laptops?

anyway, thanks a lot! I've always wanted to build my own CPU, so I think I'll bookmark this thread and raise some money to build the second computer on the list. Awesome :-D.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:27 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 07:02 PM, Sds71295 wrote: I've always wanted to build my own CPU

hahahahaha. good luck with that mate :P


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:37 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 06:26 PM, AngryCat wrote: No one cares about your thread. I dislike Macs because I believe they are a ripoff and I will continue to discourage people from buying them. It's good that you don't want people to troll each other over what computers or OS's they use, but you don't need to link to your thread with the same stupid copypasta every time someone bashes Mac or Windows. That's only needed if someone is trolling or being ignorant.

Would you mind telling me the definition of a copypasta? You see, I wrote part of the ED article on copypasta, and I think you are unaware of what exactly copypasta is. "Copypasta (or Copy pasta, or COPY PASTA) is text on *chans that gets copied and pasted over and over." First of all, in case it was unclear, we're not on 4chan or any *chan-affiliated website, which invalidates your entire intended premise. Secondly, the integral portion of the etymology -- "copy" and "paste" implies that I am writing the same thing over and over again using that particular shortcut. I would urge you, right now, to go through all of the posts I've made since December 28, 2008, and tell me EXACTLY WHAT I'VE WRITTEN THAT EXISTS MULTIPLE TIMES IN MY POST HISTORY. Because, frankly, I don't think I have employed the technique of "copypasta" in any way.

What you "believe" is irrelevant, because it is an opinion, and one that, broadcast on a wider screen such as this forum, promotes the general ignorance which you seem to believe you are dispelling in posting it. Not only is it "good" for me to post this topic so that ignorant or uninformed citizens such as yourself might be given some semblance of reality in the course of their daily lives, but it is "obligation" as a member of the human race, and a desirer of harmonious coexistence to do so -- to do otherwise would not only be wrong, but detrimental to the quality of discussion and homeostasis on the planet, which is exactly, I might add, what you are doing in promoting these primitive culture clashes.

If you say a single thing about either operating system that is an unfounded opinion, that is nothing more than an insult and intended to discourage people from making their own choices about what it is that they want to do with their time, then you are a Computer Partisan. No ifs, ands, or buts; the fact is undeniable. Computer Partisans ARE BY DEFINITION "TROLLING," AND "BEING IGNORANT," because that is the fundamental nature of disagreeing over what is UNDENIABLY A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Not only will your words make no difference to them, they will only provoke unnecessary conflict, and will only serve to prolong the suffering of the human species, mired in the inconsequential instead of ignoring petty differences and accepting that for some people, one operating system is adequate, while for others, another operating system more efficiently carries out the task at hand.

By admitting that you "don't care about the thread" to which I linked you, you have just publicly admitted to being a Computer Partisan, a disgusting human being, and have COMPLETELY MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD. The reason I am typing parts of this in all caps is that you might not miss the same point twice, although to be honest, my expectations are fairly low for your success on that front, given your responses thusfar.

I was making a comparison between Mac and Alienware. Whenever I see someone bragging about their new computer from Mac or Alienware it's usually because it has a light up keyboard or it's shiny or some BS like that all while having no idea of the crappy or cheap hardware that is inside those things and how much they got screwed over. I'm sick of companies charging too much money for something just because they know people will buy it because of the logo that is on it.

Whenever I see someone such as yourself attempting to tell anyone that their way of life, that their choice of products, that their very personal ability to make the right decisions without the distractions hindrance of backseat drivers of life breathing like a stalker down their neck, to review and critique their choices as if on the prowl to make broad criticisms and fundamental judgments about the worth or lack thereof of a person's very existence makes me experience a deep-seated anger and contempt, and a great desire to educated the aforementioned stalker about his own misguided decision to be as a priest and a missionary to anyone whose point of view diverges even slightly from his own, and in doing so quench out the fires of hatred that motivate such decisions, which will without question better the state of the world, and remove such factions of malcontents from posing harm to the continued stability and intact sanity of our society.

I have stated that I bought a Mac for its particular suitability to my lifestyle and needs, and that since I have used a Mac all my life, I have grown accustomed to its interface, and can be more efficient using it than a PC. It is for this reason that I have made the personal choice to advance my end product's quality by using one certain means to do so -- a Mac -- but that does not give me license to parade this belief as if it were gospel, assuming that since my needs were met by its usage, all other people's needs would be met as well. You have no right whatsoever to degrade an individual's ability to make an unhindered choice, and you have no right whatsoever to assume that they are incapable of doing research on their own, without the bias of others' interests getting in the way of sheer, immovable fact.

That's my opinion, and there's some facts in there too. Deal with it.

In selling humanity short, and abbreviating an individual's latitude to determine what is without dispute a product which exists to alleviate a need, and not become a need in and of itself, you are a despicable soul, and I feel quite justified in informing you of your own disturbing obsession with a crusades-esque self-promotion and propagation of your personal ideal of reality, as if it were the only one ever to exist in the storied history of the world.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:37 PM Reply

I would do it if I had my own money. My current computer is about 5 years old and is horribly slow so I will need a replacement by next year.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:39 PM Reply

you're an elitist fuck. Sure, if you're technically minded then building is the best option but most people aren't. Don't assume that everyone has the patience and skills to build their own.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:43 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 07:39 PM, citricsquid wrote: you're an elitist fuck. Sure, if you're technically minded then building is the best option but most people aren't. Don't assume that everyone has the patience and skills to build their own.

Learning to and building a computer is like learning how to cook a long meal. You got the recipe and all you have to do is cook it, which is fun.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:46 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 07:43 PM, TacoFreak wrote:
At 7/29/09 07:39 PM, citricsquid wrote: you're an elitist fuck. Sure, if you're technically minded then building is the best option but most people aren't. Don't assume that everyone has the patience and skills to build their own.
Learning to and building a computer is like learning how to cook a long meal. You got the recipe and all you have to do is cook it, which is fun.

yes but not practical for everyone. It's like the god awful "OS Wars". Sure Linux is awesome but it's not suitable for someones mum who can barely use windows, why would you suggest something beyond their capability? Not everyone has time to learn to use linux effectively when all they want to do is make word documents. Suggesting that building a PC is the best solution for everyone is fucking stupid. Different people need different things.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:50 PM Reply

I really don't understand why people say that 'not everyone can build a computer'. It really is not that hard. All you do is stick some cards in the correct slots, hook up some cables and you're good to go. The only problem people would have (that I can think of) is the terminology. Which could be a pretty big problem..


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 07:52 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 07:50 PM, Wurmy wrote: I really don't understand why people say that 'not everyone can build a computer'. It really is not that hard. All you do is stick some cards in the correct slots, hook up some cables and you're good to go. The only problem people would have (that I can think of) is the terminology. Which could be a pretty big problem..

It is easy, when you understand computers. You tell your mum to build a PC and even with a guide she wouldn't be able to. For people that understand computers it's common sense; ram fits in the ram slots, so ram goes there, but when someone has NO understanding of computers it's too hard.

It's like driving a car or riding a bike, once you know it's easy but there is a learning curve that not everyone feels is neccesary to go through.

Suggesting that everyone can and has the time to build a computer is stupid.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:02 PM Reply

You know citric, you make a good point. I can't imagine my mom ever building a computer. I bet she would break the cpu or something.

But that doesn't mean people should buy from dell and such. There are small computer stores where you can go and get a tech guy to build a computer for your needs, be it gaming or checking emails. It's cheaper than buying from big companies, and you've got all the pros of building a computer by yourself.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:05 PM Reply

I was 100% sure you were the OP when I saw the thread tittle.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:07 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 08:02 PM, TacoFreak wrote: You know citric, you make a good point. I can't imagine my mom ever building a computer. I bet she would break the cpu or something.

But that doesn't mean people should buy from dell and such. There are small computer stores where you can go and get a tech guy to build a computer for your needs, be it gaming or checking emails. It's cheaper than buying from big companies, and you've got all the pros of building a computer by yourself.

Of course it's cheaper and better and if it were a viable option I'd whole heartedly back it, but it isn't. I built my own computer with no experience and really enjoyed it, it was very easy and also helped me understand the functions of my own computer further, but I spend so much time on my PC. My mum spends about 1 hour a month googling for flapjack recipes, why would she need to spend many many hours building a computer just for that?

Furthermore, the aftercare you get from places like dell is brilliant, you can get 3 years of support and warranties, if you build it yourself you have only yourself to fall back on, or you spend £100 in PC world getting it fixed, which makes the money saved not that much + the stress it causes.

Also, I don't get what you're saying about independent stores, I've found dell to be so much cheaper than my local PC stores, they price up their shit massively to break even because they're a small operation, brick and mortar and also can't order in bulk.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:11 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 08:02 PM, TacoFreak wrote: You know citric, you make a good point. I can't imagine my mom ever building a computer. I bet she would break the cpu or something.

My mom would probably get it if I showed her once or twice, but it still is a valid argument.

But that doesn't mean people should buy from dell and such.

An honest guy wouldn't charge much more than $100 for the labor of putting together a computer. Even then, that's usually still cheaper, and always better, for the other aforementioned reasons.

Tacofreak pointed out I didn't include a computer case for the low end build. My bad, but I was bound to miss/mess up something.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:14 PM Reply

I got mine custom built at PCspecialist.co.uk
They're helpful, Informative and cheaper than some highstreet prices. So yeah you COULD build one yourself, but why bother when you can pay to have someone do it for you?


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:16 PM Reply

yea its too easy to buld computers. mostly all of it is plug and play

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:16 PM Reply

Yeah I've always thought of building my own computer but I'm scared I'll break something when putting the parts in. I used to have a custom built computer from my uncle who gave to me for a birthday present. Then after some years, it started getting too old and slow. So I decided to get another computer.

Since I do ALOT of gaming, I decided to buy an alienware computer. I should have tried building my own computer (would have cost me ALOT less) but I didn't know as much about computers back then than I do now.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:18 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 05:30 PM, AngryCat wrote: I made my computer, ALL BY MYSELF! But that was about three years ago.

You pay for convenience with store-bought computers, that's pretty much the point. You can't build laptops either. Dell is the best store-bought brand IMO, better than Alienware even.

Seriously though, about Alienware, the only reason they are so expensive is because they have the AWESOME alien logo on it. You're paying for a brand, they're like Macs, except they don't suck.

little secret, but err... Dell bought out Alienware a while ago. making the whole difference thing a whole lot more pointless. the only difference is the case and prestige.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:18 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 07:37 PM, Bolo wrote: blah

Shut the fuck up, you're just getting into a pointless flame war, and who cares if you wrote part of an article on ED? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but don't take it to an extreme when it's COMPLETELY unnecessary.


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:21 PM Reply

At 7/29/09 08:11 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: My mom would probably get it if I showed her once or twice, but it still is a valid argument.

Maybe so, but does the time taken for her to learn justify, based upon her usage? I agree with what you're saying if they're using their PC for >5 hours a day and gaming etc, but people that just use it for word processing and such don't need to, they're going to struggle with trouble shooting also. The unpfront cost of a dell may be more, but in the long run the time taken and money saved with extras is great.

An honest guy wouldn't charge much more than $100 for the labor of putting together a computer. Even then, that's usually still cheaper, and always better, for the other aforementioned reasons.

I paid £409 for my computer back in 2005 from Dell. It was, at the time, good. I couldn't find that anywhere else cheaper, in my local computer shops it was hundreds more. Also, the dell came with the operating system and drivers installer, warranty etc. If I'd got that with a local shop it'd have been so much more, they produce on such a huge scale they can price very cheaply.

Tacofreak pointed out I didn't include a computer case for the low end build. My bad, but I was bound to miss/mess up something.

actually, this reminds me of something else; where do you think people should be getting their configs from? I built my own PC but I was really unsure about compatability and such so had a friend who understands it all to get all the parts I needed for me. Is there a service or something that will do it for me, because I still don't feel comfortable speccing a machine myself, even after building and tinkering a bit.

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:27 PM Reply

After reading this thread, I'm curious about how much this would cost since I'm now interested in this...
You say that you get more power from a custom built computer, than from one pre-made at the same sort of price?

Also; if I was to build my own computer, how much would it cost for me to build, say, a low-mid range gaming PC?


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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:32 PM Reply

Ignore the second question... I was being a bit of a dumbass there...

In place of that; what should I look for spec-wise if I was to build a mid-range gaming PC?


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At 7/29/09 08:27 PM, Akkryls wrote: After reading this thread, I'm curious about how much this would cost since I'm now interested in this...
You say that you get more power from a custom built computer, than from one pre-made at the same sort of price?

Also; if I was to build my own computer, how much would it cost for me to build, say, a low-mid range gaming PC?

what i do from time to time is go onto newegg and just start adding things to the wishlish that would be compatable together. one of the biggest problems is finding a case that will fit your motherboard and power supply. you can get a "barebones" kit that will take care of thoese worries for you. most of them have the case, motherboard, power suppy and sometimes the CPU preinstalled. you will still save a ton of money doing it this way

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:39 PM Reply

I made my computer out of twigs and leaves! And it can play Crysis on full setting!

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Response to Stop buying computers! Jul. 29th, 2009 @ 08:41 PM Reply

Thanks for the thread, interesting reading. I think that in most cases, people who have never tried buying the different parts and putting them together by themselves are afraid of failing. Even if things may be easier than they seem, things can always go wrong. You may break or fuck up something if you don't know how to do it. I think that the best thing these people can do is get an experienced friend to help them to assemble it.

I would like to make my own computer someday this year (since the one I use is getting pretty old), and fortunately I have a friend at school who is really cool and knows a lot about computers and said he would help me if I want to. He kindly answers even the most stupid questions that would make an ignorant person facepalm.

At 7/29/09 07:43 PM, TacoFreak wrote:
At 7/29/09 07:39 PM, citricsquid wrote: you're an elitist fuck. Sure, if you're technically minded then building is the best option but most people aren't. Don't assume that everyone has the patience and skills to build their own.
Learning to and building a computer is like learning how to cook a long meal. You got the recipe and all you have to do is cook it, which is fun.

I would also add that after reading the recipe and doing what it says several times, you end up learning it by heart ;)

At 7/29/09 08:05 PM, Spirosgod wrote: I was 100% sure you were the OP when I saw the thread tittle.

Yes, because his user name was next to it :)

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At 7/29/09 08:18 PM, TimeforplanB wrote:
At 7/29/09 07:37 PM, Bolo wrote: blah
Shut the fuck up, you're just getting into a pointless flame war, and who cares if you wrote part of an article on ED? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but don't take it to an extreme when it's COMPLETELY unnecessary.

The point of bringing in ED was to illustrate how absolutely and completely AngryCat missed the boat on the issue he was slinging mud about. Considering the fact that I am intimately acquainted with the definition of copypasta, and the fact that he misused the word in a poorly-rendered attempt to discredit the allegations which I brought against him, I found it most fitting to let him subtly in on just how badly he messed up, and on why it was ridiculous for him to allege untrue things, when he himself was guilty of a host of crimes, as previously outlined. Quite frankly, it is the singular purpose of good, contributing members of society to seek and destroy the elements of discord and division; to root them out for their disgusting false-choices and insane quasi-religious ramblings, and to cast them aside like all trash, into the void, where their vocal stupidity will cause no tangible harm to the rest of us.


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At 7/29/09 08:07 PM, citricsquid wrote:
Furthermore, the aftercare you get from places like dell is brilliant, you can get 3 years of support and warranties, if you build it yourself you have only yourself to fall back on, or you spend £100 in PC world getting it fixed, which makes the money saved not that much + the stress it causes.
At 7/29/09 08:21 PM, citricsquid wrote:
actually, this reminds me of something else; where do you think people should be getting their configs from? I built my own PC but I was really unsure about compatability and such so had a friend who understands it all to get all the parts I needed for me. Is there a service or something that will do it for me, because I still don't feel comfortable speccing a machine myself, even after building and tinkering a bit.

I go on a forum everyday (got about 10 posts per day on it, 2400 in total) called www.overclock.net

It's a great forum that's all about computers. There are tons of users there that know a ton about them. Now don't get me wrong, it's not only a site for experienced people like myself or TSF. If you're a newbie the users till be willing to help you.

Got a problem with your OS? Ask on the forum. Don't know which computer parts to pick? Ask on the forum.

It's a great place, check it out