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At 7/27/09 03:31 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: But, anarchy always isn't that simple. Without government there should be no law, correct? But, you still have your code of ethics. That could be your law. Therefore, you are your own government thus this is a government thus anarchy can't possibly exist.

At 7/27/09 03:32 PM, Masterzakk wrote: Also anarchy is a lack of government, why not just let people do what they want without limitations. If their acts are truelly stupid then they would vanish from it.

I just used your definition of anarchy too. Haha.

And I used it before you posted! You know what you're problem is? You think you're the first one to recognize this. You think you know everything. You think you're the best. Well guess what? People like you come and go. All they do is shout, and then fall. They always say the same thing. That's how I know what you're going to say next.

You really are a case, you know that?

I don't think he is pushing for anarchy here, but I'm not really sure what it is he is pushing for because he won't elaborate. Regardless anarchy is just an extreme that will ultimately fail because it will defeat itself. People will always aim for structure, not everyone is a loner.

At 7/27/09 04:17 PM, KidneyThief wrote: I don't think he is pushing for anarchy here, but I'm not really sure what it is he is pushing for because he won't elaborate. Regardless anarchy is just an extreme that will ultimately fail because it will defeat itself. People will always aim for structure, not everyone is a loner.

No, he is pushing for anarchy because he's arguing against government and he said so. The problem is he can't defend it and thus has to use a bunch of words to make himself smart. In the process he looks like an idiot.

At 7/27/09 04:14 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 7/27/09 03:31 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: But, anarchy always isn't that simple. Without government there should be no law, correct? But, you still have your code of ethics. That could be your law. Therefore, you are your own government thus this is a government thus anarchy can't possibly exist.

The government I am talking about is forcing you to pay for programs that I don't give a damn for (school, health care, poor people). I am not talking about ethics my friend as I do not seek total anarchy rather than for a more "extreme" form of capitalism. I thought I was being very clear here.

And I used it before you posted! You know what you're problem is? You think you're the first one to recognize this. You think you know everything. You think you're the best. Well guess what? People like you come and go. All they do is shout, and then fall. They always say the same thing. That's how I know what you're going to say next.

I am not the only one too realize what I am talking about. That is rather idiotic in itself. If people want to form states and pay for protection from various entities fine but I would rather fend for myself as you are the only one whom can help your self. Nobody will EVER going to help you without some form of payment.

I want electricity, water, and various things we enjoy to be free from government monopoly so I don't have to live in a hermit lifestyle. This isn't very hard to understand where I'm coming from here right?

At 7/27/09 04:28 PM, Masterzakk wrote: The government I am talking about is forcing you to pay for programs that I don't give a damn for (school, health care, poor people). I am not talking about ethics my friend as I do not seek total anarchy rather than for a more "extreme" form of capitalism. I thought I was being very clear here.

Yes it is about ethics because the thing government and religion have most in common is ethics. So if you want to make that analogy, this conversation is also about ethics.

I am not the only one too realize what I am talking about. That is rather idiotic in itself. If people want to form states and pay for protection from various entities fine but I would rather fend for myself as you are the only one whom can help your self. Nobody will EVER going to help you without some form of payment.

Okay, let's take away your food, your water, your gas, your house, your job, your car, your roads, your shoes, and everything else you own or use. Now you get to start over from scratch! LOT'S OF FUN.
Why? Because now you're fending for yourself. Now you're living independantly!

I want electricity, water, and various things we enjoy to be free from government monopoly so I don't have to live in a hermit lifestyle. This isn't very hard to understand where I'm coming from here right?

Wait, a second, a minute a go you said you wanted to fend for yourself. Now you want to use public resources? Very hypocritical.

And speaking on electricity, water as government monopolies, if that were true, why does PG&E exist on the West Coast? They're an independent company, aren't they?

At 7/27/09 03:32 PM, Masterzakk wrote: Guess so even though I do know more than I let on.

If you knew more than you let on, then why are you not responding in a concise and intellectual manner? Why ignore posts like mine that point out the flaws in your argument, when you could rely on your intellect to supply solid, irrefutable logic that shuts down your opposition down in a heartbeat?

If you truly know more then you let on, then you don't have much to hide if that's the case.

At 7/27/09 04:28 PM, Masterzakk wrote: The government I am talking about is forcing you to pay for programs that I don't give a damn for (school, health care, poor people).

The government is forcing me to pay for things you don't care about? Does this imply that you don't pay taxes, and therefore don't have a personal stake in the matter?

I want electricity, water, and various things we enjoy to be free from government monopoly so I don't have to live in a hermit lifestyle.

How is government ownership of these things forcing you to live life like a hermit?

At 7/27/09 04:47 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: Yes it is about ethics because the thing government and religion have most in common is ethics. So if you want to make that analogy, this conversation is also about ethics.

Its based on morality not ethics. Their is a difference! Morality is used to justify things while ethics is just honor codes. I can agree with you actually though. My mistake.

Okay, let's take away your food, your water, your gas, your house, your job, your car, your roads, your shoes, and everything else you own or use. Now you get to start over from scratch! LOT'S OF FUN.

You take things too literally. I am talking about fending for yourself in a manner you are manipulating others feelings and such. I'm not going to talk to you in other ethics though.

Wait, a second, a minute a go you said you wanted to fend for yourself. Now you want to use public resources? Very hypocritical.

I didn't mean I'm against society just the state!

And speaking on electricity, water as government monopolies, if that were true, why does PG&E exist on the West Coast? They're an independent company, aren't they?

You still have to pay taxes for it though. So whats the point of using an independent company.

At 7/27/09 12:16 PM, Masterzakk wrote: The government is a religion

religion is a government

At 7/27/09 04:57 PM, Masterzakk wrote: I didn't mean I'm against society just the state!

The state ensures that society runs just fine. So when you say that you are against the state, what exactly do you expect us to believe you mean? Be clearer on your points the first time and you won't have to go and restate them every few posts.

You still have to pay taxes for it though. So whats the point of using an independent company.

Then what are you arguing for?

You're no intellectual, you're just a poser, pure and simple.

At 7/27/09 04:28 PM, Masterzakk wrote: The government I am talking about is forcing you to pay for programs that I don't give a damn for (school, health care, poor people). I am not talking about ethics my friend as I do not seek total anarchy rather than for a more "extreme" form of capitalism. I thought I was being very clear here.

You're not being clear. How does your avoidance of 'total anarchy' follow your lack of consideration for ethics?

Better yet, how can you disregard ethics when you're denying funding for the betterment of others? Or is that precisely why you're disregarding ethics?

I would rather fend for myself as you are the only one whom can help your self.

If you are the only one who can help yourself, then you are already fending for yourself.

At 7/27/09 04:57 PM, Masterzakk wrote: Morality is used to justify things while ethics is just honor codes. I can agree with you actually though. My mistake.

This comes from the same guy who made a thread called "The ethics of holocaust revisionism" arguing that holocaust revisionism is JUSTIFIED.

Masterzakk... do you do this on purpose?

I was unaware the government obtained supernatural abilities.

I was unaware the government was supplying worthless protection (e.g. military, police, medical and education).

Without structure to a society along with the knowledge obtained by the fields of scientific discovery and invention (as well as distribution of that knowledge), anarchy would reign over any nation.

People do not worship the government. Until you or anyone else can find a more viable solution to running a country the system that is implemented now is all we can use. Attempting to better that system is the only method we have.

can't believe people keep feeding this troll

At 7/27/09 12:16 PM, Masterzakk wrote: Love to know what you think about this subject.

At this point, I feel a certain obligation to do just that.

At 7/27/09 06:52 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote: At this point, I feel a certain obligation to do just that.

Your insulting my intellegents eh? Well well I don't mind that at all. The world doesn't go round in evidence anyways. I do support the government in Brazil because they shoot down undesirables such as theives and murderers before they can say they "really aren't". What I realize today is that I just hate paying taxes. Well I am no longer a psuedo-anarchist!

At 7/27/09 07:19 PM, Masterzakk wrote:

Your insulting my intellegents eh? Well well I don't mind that at all. The world doesn't go round in evidence anyways. I do support the government in Brazil because they shoot down undesirables such as theives and murderers before they can say they "really aren't". What I realize today is that I just hate paying taxes. Well I am no longer a psuedo-anarchist!

dude masterzakk are you on crack, seriously man we can help you, no need to be ashamed. just do some time in rehab and you'll be able to form coherent thoughts again.

At 7/27/09 01:08 PM, Masterzakk wrote: I hope this video helps you. Unlike my other video proofs this is merely 3 minutes or so long.

Have fun ;D

That isn't proof, you fucking moron, its one guy spouting off on youtube.

How about something from someone with a degree? Like a college professer?

At 7/27/09 07:19 PM, Masterzakk wrote:

At 7/27/09 06:52 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote: At this point, I feel a certain obligation to do just that.

Your insulting my intellegents eh? Well well I don't mind that at all. The world doesn't go round in evidence anyways. I do support the government in Brazil because they shoot down undesirables such as theives and murderers before they can say they "really aren't". What I realize today is that I just hate paying taxes. Well I am no longer a psuedo-anarchist!

So can we disregard your OP since the thread is now about how you hate taxes for as of yet unexplained reasons?

Oh, and intellegents is not a word, I believe you meant to use intelligence.

Care to give examples of those that "warship" the government? I sure as hell don't, and it doesn't look like any of the other NGers do.
Second of all, never, never; never; never; ever; NEVER compare religion to politics. That's a big no-no.

At 7/27/09 07:19 PM, Masterzakk wrote: Your insulting my intellegents eh?

He can't even spell "intelligence" right! Not only is he stupid, he's self parodying!

BWA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Well well I don't mind that at all.

Are you gonna give us a piece of your mind, now? Do you have enough left to give?

The world doesn't go round in evidence anyways.

So you expect us to believe you to be right based on no evidence?!

I do support the government

So you didn't even believe the argument you were putting forth in the opening post of this topic?

TROLL.

in Brazil because they shoot down undesirables such as theives and murderers before they can say they "really aren't". What I realize today is that I just hate paying taxes. Well I am no longer a psuedo-anarchist!

Support of such actions actually takes you in a 180 degree turn towards the opposite end of the political spectrum; you're a fascist.

Foot in mouth, and head up asshole.
Whatcha talkin' 'bout?
Difficult to dance 'round this one
'Til you pull it out, boy!

You must have been, so high.
You must have been, so high.

At 7/27/09 04:13 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: I don't really understand what anarchists want.

Say government disappears, then what? Would each settlement be independent of each other as a kind of city-state thing or is that too much government as well?

Anarchism depends on the same type of blind optimistic naivete that communism does. It might work provided that the people in said environment were content with what they had and didn't have any real aspirations or goals.

In other words: BULLSHIT!

I understand that this guy isn't trolling, he's just stupid, but can we PLEASE ban him? Seriously. He never defends his points and all his threads turn into shitstorms.

At 7/27/09 10:32 PM, GeneralJ wrote: Care to give examples of those that "warship" the government? I sure as hell don't, and it doesn't look like any of the other NGers do.
Second of all, never, never; never; never; ever; NEVER compare religion to politics. That's a big no-no.

yes i'm actually also very curious about his examples of people worshiping the government

but general your making mistake here: religion is and has been ever since it existed a political tool, a very powerful one might i add, religion IS politics basicly ( read something about the catholic church in the dark ages, or how about the Islam in many middle-eastern countries ) but it doesn't work the other way around: i think what you meant was: never never EVER compare politics with religion?

People are subordonated to religion. It's the people that follow the religion.
A government is subordonated to the people. It's the government that should follow the wishes of the people.

It's those arrogant rebels that think that the government dictates laws that oppresses the people and makes them their slaves. But no, governments are elected and when the people is malcontent over it, the people have already oftenly punished the government for their mistakes.

Truth is, ministers are hard-working people making the decisions for the country and because every decision is bound to raise disagreement, people tell they are pocket filling powerhungry maniacs.
Being in the government is a thankless job.

thats complete bullshit!

government isnt a religion because it isnt an ideology

At 7/28/09 10:07 AM, Kenzu wrote: thats complete bullshit!

government isnt a religion because it isnt an ideology

so is communsim why do you think in never works?

At 7/28/09 09:33 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: People are subordonated to religion. It's the people that follow the religion.
A government is subordonated to the people. It's the government that should follow the wishes of the people.

something about your views on politics tells me you're not american

>> i think what you meant was: never never EVER compare politics with religion?

I could agree with that, to the point that religion tries to cover up political issues as "God's plan". Answer this, how often do you hear religion used as a tool of politics, other than to state that it started a war somewhere along the lines?

>> so is communsim why do you think in never works?

Keeping in mind that communism isn't run as it was ideally intended to.

At 7/27/09 02:45 PM, Masterzakk wrote: I am fairly intellectual its just that I hate you all and want to bring you all down ;D

Lot's of people are arguing the other stuff much better and in much the same vein as I would. But this comment interested me because of what it implies. So let's be clear: Are you with this statement saying that your purpose for posting threads and hanging around this forum is to anger the people you dislike here and to be a pain in the ass? Yes or no. Please answer this question for me, it's very important. Thank you.

At 7/27/09 07:19 PM, Masterzakk wrote:

Your insulting my intellegents eh?

>your
>intelligents

Well well I don't mind that at all. The world doesn't go round in evidence anyways.

*facedesk*

I do support the government in Brazil because they shoot down undesirables such as theives and murderers before they can say they "really aren't".

So you call yourself an anarchist but you would give the power to kill to a government ? You are fucking retarded.

What I realize today is that I just hate paying taxes. Well I am no longer a psuedo-anarchist!

Yeah whatever.