As he was leaving the club, he said a police officer asked to speak with him. Begin said he tried to explain that he was not the person they were looking for, saying he was not in Fredericton when the previous incident happened. He said he was thrown to the ground and police officers started to hit him and knee him.
In my opinion these offcers, specicly the one who started to knee him when he was on the ground should be fired and charged with assualt , the rcmp had no reason to arrest him in the first place, let alone any provacation to start assulting him while he was lying on the ground. (as you can clearly see in the vid)
Now I have nothing against good police officers who actualy protect innocent people instead of attacking them, and they should be commended for it. But officers who abuse there power , like this man should be fired on the spot.
Right, he's innocent just because he says he is.
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At 7/23/09 05:27 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote: Right, he's innocent just because he says he is.
Even if he isn't innocent, him being attacked *on the ground when he could easily be subdued from that position* is illegal and grounds for criminal prosecution under assault laws.
This is why a lawless and stateless society will bring prosperaty. The police are assholes but they have to assholes so they can enforce rules into us that we never ever wanted.
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At 7/23/09 05:29 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:
Even if he isn't innocent, him being attacked *on the ground when he could easily be subdued from that position* is illegal and grounds for criminal prosecution under assault laws.
I jesus there was 4 guys on him
And how is this in any way news or shocking or something that hasn't happened before and won't happen again???
At 7/23/09 05:33 PM, Masterzakk wrote: This is why a lawless and stateless society will bring prosperaty. The police are assholes but they have to assholes so they can enforce rules into us that we never ever wanted.
Your credibility have been dead long before you made that post.
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At 7/23/09 05:33 PM, Masterzakk wrote: This is why a lawless and stateless society will bring prosperaty. The police are assholes but they have to assholes so they can enforce rules into us that we never ever wanted.
Please quit talking.
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Off with their heads!... or just fire them. Abuse of power is unacceptable. Remember the police need to be policed too.
At 7/23/09 05:33 PM, Masterzakk wrote: This is why a lawless and stateless society will bring prosperaty. The police are assholes but they have to assholes so they can enforce rules into us that we never ever wanted.
Yes we did, and sure, a society without laws against robbery and murder will totally stop violence and crime.
You're a fucking idiot, i don't say that to many, but you take the fucking cake.
Tri-Nitro, i agree, even if he was a gulity man, the gulity still have rights, and should be respected.
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At 7/23/09 05:33 PM, Masterzakk wrote: This is why a lawless and stateless society will bring prosperaty. The police are assholes but they have to assholes so they can enforce rules into us that we never ever wanted.
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At 7/23/09 05:29 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:At 7/23/09 05:27 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote: Right, he's innocent just because he says he is.Even if he isn't innocent, him being attacked *on the ground when he could easily be subdued from that position*
I get the feeling that most people overestimate their own Jack Bauer abilities. Despite what you might think, if someone is on the ground, it's not easy to get cuffs on them if they're resisting. You can see one officer trying to use his body weight to get the guy's arm behind his back, and it doesn't work because the guy rolled with it then rolled back.
Of course beating the person isn't the best solution, but I get the feeling people would have been upset if they'd used a taser, too.
At 7/24/09 10:09 AM, Fyndir wrote: Before any of the officers hit him, in that video, you see him clearly resisting arrest and refusing to be cuffed.
What, exactly, do you propose the officers do in that situation?
"Oh well, we think you're a dangerous criminal, but since you said you're not and resisted arrest we'll just let you go now."?
You can see, again from that video, that there are two officers attempting to restrain him, and he's resisting enough that they can't get him cuffed.
Is that the kind of thing an innocent man seems likely to do?
I wonder what would happen if all five of them tried to wrench his arm backwards in order to cuff him? Seems to me that there's a risk of dislocation, torn ligaments, damaged tendons...hard to be sure, would be nice to get a medical viewpoint on it.
It seems entirely likely that if he had not resisted arrest he would not have been hurt, at all.
His position in the video was in a ball with his hands shielding his head, would you count that as resisting or simply a natural reaction to force? If they wanted to arrest him without resistance they shouldn't have used force in the first place. He's obviously on the floor for a reason, but this all degenerates down to a 'Who did it first' arguement, which the video doesn't even show.
It reminds me of that girl that got thrown around in her jail cell because she disrespectfully threw a shoe at the police officer (without hitting him). Yes, this was uncalled for.
But in other situation police tend to be shown as the asshole whereas the victim isn't as innocent as he claims he is. Like in 'peaceful' protests where a bunch of guys throw stuff atthe police officers.
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The angle of the video makes it hard to see what's going on, plus we don't see how it starts. The suspect is clearly resisting arrest, even if it is by curling up into a ball. Just because a person assumes the fetal position doesn't mean he's been subdued. If he would have went limp, he would have been handcuffed and it would have been over.
The title of this thread is misleading, too, because being beaten obviously doesn't make one innocent.
Well....I know a lot of anarchistics who have beat up innocent officers.But,nothing happened they have the protection of the newswire.And always for people policemans are bad cops.
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