I can't hear "detune"

[Alchemist94]

Just payed £84 for some monitor headphones. I can't hear any detune from them unless they aren't on my fucking head. The closer they are to my ears, the less detune I get. Other headphones (The ones that go in your ear like iPod ones) or speakers don't do this and I have never used these type of headphones before so I have nothing to compare them to. What the fuck is wrong with these? Because it seems like I just wasted all the money I'd been saving up with on something I can't get my money back from.

[Alchemist94]

At 7/22/09 03:22 PM, LaForge wrote: Be more specific when you refer to "detune". What exactly is it that you're not hearing?

Say if I opened up 3xOsc and moved the stereo detune knob, I'll hear almost no difference in sound unless I take the headphones off. Panning works so it's definitely not an issue with mono/stereo.

[DJ-MasterRick]

u cant detune on new headphones or it breaks them duuh

[Alchemist94]

At 7/22/09 03:31 PM, DJ-MasterRick wrote: u cant detune on new headphones or it breaks them duuh

Ummm.. What?

[xKore]

Sounds more like a probablem with your software or hearing more than your headphones.. Headphones can't just not hear detune..

[Alchemist94]

At 7/22/09 03:55 PM, LaForge wrote: Actually, I have a question. Does it fail to pick up detune even if the sound is radically detuned, say half an octave?

Yeah course pitch and fine works in 3xOsc, but stereo detune doesn't. The detune knob in Sylenth1 doesn't work either. I can very faintly hear a kind of very low, barely audible sound and its changes with the knob, but it isn't a panning issue because if I take the headphones off, I can hear it.

[Alchemist94]

At 7/22/09 04:01 PM, Alchemist94 wrote: Yeah course pitch and fine works in 3xOsc, but stereo detune doesn't. The detune knob in Sylenth1 doesn't work either. I can very faintly hear a kind of very low, barely audible sound and its changes with the knob, but it isn't a panning issue because if I take the headphones off, I can hear it.

Just did a test and if I detune using fine pitch on 2 oscillators instead of stereo detune on one, it works but if I pan each one to different side, the detune is gone.

[Alchemist94]

To be honest I doubt anyone in the world would have a fix for this, I guess I just wasted my money.

[Zhuriel]

I'm guessing stereo detune means detuning each stereo chanell slightly to get a chorus-style effect. Maybe the problem is that the different pitches don't interfere as much when they are completely separated, which would explain it working when you don't have them on.

[xKore]

Just a guess in the dark, but it might be a crossfeed issue. You could try putting this VST on the master, it emulates what it would sound like coming from two monitors instead of isolated headphone speakers.

[Mrmilkcarton]

You can't detune a single signal in one osc you need more then one. I would also turn Retrigger off if you are making a pad or super saw so it doesn't retrigger the oscillator and give you a weird sound.

Something like this.

[loansindi]

At 7/22/09 05:35 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote: You can't detune a single signal in one osc you need more then one.

What? Not true. Just for the sake of testing this i fired up FL and cranked the SD knob on the first 3xosc oscillator. The detune showed up just fine both in headphones and over monitors.

The to OP: there's no explanation why a pair of headphones that functions otherwise normally would lose this particular effect (but generate it when they're off your head).

[Mrmilkcarton]

At 7/22/09 05:38 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 7/22/09 05:35 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote: You can't detune a single signal in one osc you need more then one.

What? Not true. Just for the sake of testing this i fired up FL and cranked the SD knob on the first 3xosc oscillator. The detune showed up just fine both in headphones and over monitors.

The to OP: there's no explanation why a pair of headphones that functions otherwise normally would lose this particular effect (but generate it when they're off your head).

I was speaking about Sylenth1 which I think he said something about earlier in the post not about a 3XOsc which is completely different. On anther note...

Stereodetune isn't the same as just detuning a synthe. In Sylenth1 you can detune the Voice but it needs more then one voice to detune. In a 3XOsc the Stereodetune forces it to become stereo (most detunes are) but some allow you to get rid of the stereo. Without Osc > 3am knob turned on and cranked up you really don't detune it. To truly detune a 3XOsc you go into the Func tab and turn the pitch knob slightly for a good saw detune. FL pushes more keys the higher the setting to add a detune.

If you need a visual... this should help.

[loansindi]

At 7/22/09 06:12 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote: I was speaking about Sylenth1 which I think he said something about earlier in the post not about a 3XOsc which is completely different. On anther note...

This doesn't change the fact that he claims his issue is isolated to the case of him wearing his headphones. From every other source (monitors and headphones OFF his head) he successfully hears the effect.

I don't think it's a software issue.

[InGenius]

Are these simulated Surround headphones, by any chance? Because I had a similar, though not as drastic, problem with X-Fi's run through the PCIXPress on my laptop which were running some form of surround emulation. Alot of stuff sounded VASTLY different through them than through other phones and speakers. It could very well be the case if this is some form of surround emulation phoneset, otherwise they might have some form of left+right feed to both phones rather than pure left and pure right to their respective phones, which could also possibly cause this sort of problem.

[InGenius]

Sorry for double post, didn't see the link for the exact type of phone. And those AT's aren't surround nor should they have a left+right crossover, so...no explanation.

[sorohanro]

At 7/22/09 05:08 PM, xKore wrote: Just a guess in the dark, but it might be a crossfeed issue. You could try putting this VST on the master, it emulates what it would sound like coming from two monitors instead of isolated headphone speakers.

This my friend, is a good find, to put it on "Best Free VST Effects" thread.

As for detuning problem, brain do pick sounds different from speakers and from headphones. as good isolated might be the speakers, sounds interact in the air while come to your ears, so, detuning "chorusy" effect is more obvious.
When coming from headphones, sound is isolated, don't react with each other at all, less "chorusy" effect.
Also, it's a quite common thing to hear slightly different with one ear from the other. Some people hear different pitches, but brain tends to "correct" the mistake (like the "Chaplin" optical illusion).
Might be your brain correcting skills that mess around there :)))

[Alchemist94]

At 7/22/09 06:59 PM, sorohanro wrote: Also, it's a quite common thing to hear slightly different with one ear from the other. Some people hear different pitches, but brain tends to "correct" the mistake (like the "Chaplin" optical illusion).
Might be your brain correcting skills that mess around there :)))

So will my brain get used to it after a while or something?

[Alchemist94]

Bump.

[loansindi]

At 7/24/09 02:26 AM, Alchemist94 wrote: Bump.

Why?

No one knows why you're having the problem you're having.

[sorohanro]

At 7/23/09 12:16 PM, Alchemist94 wrote: So will my brain get used to it after a while or something?

Guess so...
Don't judge new headphones and new shoes after "first time", need time to adjust.

[Khuskan]

What the fuck is anybody in this thread talking about.

[EchozAurora]

I agree with a few others in the thread that stated that it's probably not your headphones, but your brain and it's altered perception that is causing the effect.

The headphones aren't going to produce sound any differently when you have them on, aside from having them off.

When you have the headphones off, or are listening through speakers, the sound waves will blend. When you are using a stereo detune effect, it will be most pronounced in this particular setup.

I'm imagining that these headphones have extremely minimal bleed from one channel to the other, and thus are isolating the signals to each ear. Because of this, your brain has to do all of the mixing on it's own, so the effect you hear will change. In your case, it seems that you don't hear it at all.

Listen to this
Then try listening to this.

The first link is an example of holophonic sound, the second.. binaural beats.

Both rely on stereo separation in headphones and the auditory perception created by your mind when hearing the two signals together. May help clear up what is going on.

[Alchemist94]

To Loansindi and LaForge, I bumped because I asked a question in my last post and wanted an answer, and got one now. Thanks everyone for the help.