At 2/12/13 08:02 PM, svenisgod wrote:
At 2/6/13 02:13 AM, Ceratisa wrote:
Once again, you've failed to actually support marijuana. Just mention other stupid shit people do.You've been in this thread a long long long time and you have heard literally evry argument we have.
Please give me more.
It will reduce crime
No it won't, decriminalization could do it better without increasing the supply that children have access too.
It allows those who have a problem with it to get help without social and legal persecution.
It is called counseling, you can already do it.
It reduces the amount of money cartels make (marijuana is still the most trafficked drug worldwide)
Not a valid argument unless it would actually get them off the streets, no they would probably push their harder drugs harder then ever.
It ensures that the product is free of harmful additives
How does it do this? While a more regulated distribution may help somewhat. The stuff people do to get a better high doesn't change.
It means law abiding citizens do not have to deal with criminals
That kind of argument just means, "What you aren't doing isn't illegal anymore"
It makes shittons of money for government.
Which would only help offset the cost from increased outreach and drug counseling programs for youths.
It is a great medicine that does not need to be controlled by big pharmacy
It would be controlled by "big pharmacy" if you are still mentioning the safer distribution regulations. Please choose one or the other.
Hemp is a great fibre and far superior as a paper.
Not remotely relevant to the use of marijuana as a drug.
Reasonable use can actually start to be advocated. Previously no one could speak of it that way for its illegality.
What is reasonable use? Getting high isn't reasonable use is it?
As a free society we should have a right to our own bodies.
Not a real argument unless you want to make that for harder drugs.
It harms no one bar ourselves. It makes no one aggressive, it calms people, within the scientific circle it is known to
promote brain development, it is not toxic, it has no physical addiction.
IT does not promote brain development
In another study, Barry Jacobs, a neuroscientist at Princeton University, gave mice the natural cannabinoid found in marijuana, THC (D9-tetrahydrocannabinol)). But he says he detected no neurogenesis, no matter what dose he gave or the length of time he gave it for. He will present his results at the Society for Neuroscience meeting in Washington DC in November.
Jacobs says it could be that HU210 and THC do not have the same effect on cell growth. It could also be the case that cannabinoids behave differently in different rodent species - which leaves open the question of how they behave in humans.
Zhang says more research is needed before it is clear whether cannabinoids could some day be used to treat depression in humans.
so THC no matter dosage had no effect
Legalization will keep it out of the hands of children more than a random drug dealer will.
No it won't it will increase at home supplies, there is no way that increasing supplies available at home and not decreasing them else where keeps it from kids.
Just like the war on alcohol, the war on drugs has failed. It has failed horribly. It is an enormous waste of time and money.
War on alcohol? Where is that the prohibition? I've proven how different the circumstances between them are already
And alcohol is legal and much worse than marijuana because we learnt from our mistakes and legalized it because of all the reasons (well most of them. Alcohol isn't a very good medicine)
I keep saying over and over again that mentioning how harmful Alcohol is, is not a pro marijuana argument.
You have heard all of this. These are great arguments that you have never shown adaquate rebuttals to instead calling us names and using ad hominen to make yourself look unable to have an argument. You are among the only person left arguing against. When will you admit that we have won. That the answer is not business as usual, that something needs to change.
Ad hominem where? The point I make that people who abuse a substances and objectively and without bias state its impact?
I'm probably the only person left because the same arguments are being brought up without any basis on reality. And quite honestly, you are insulting me to bring up hemp. To suggest that I know so little about it is insulting.
You will probably nver admit because you base your opinion on something you really know nothing about. You have never tried it. You think its this big scary drug that ruins everyone who uses it but because you will never try it you will never know what we are talking about about and by extension you will never know what you ara talking about.
I never tried it because it is known to dull your mental state and I respect my body. I haven't tried getting shot and I know I wouldn't like that either.
Everything has been said. I think we all agree weed should be legalized and the arguments in this thread should be enough to convince. The next argument should be whether all drugs should be legalized like Portugal did.
I think the arguments you brought up were among the weakest of your peers. So I'm confused are you pro legalize all drugs? Cause Portugal used to be a player in the world, not anymore.