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I have finally come to the conclusion that the ad revenue is kind of pointless because hundreds of dollars are spread out over all the users of NG, letting everyone buy about.. oh lets see here... a twix bar. I have participated in a total of 500,000 views all together in a couple of movies I voiced for, making me a total of 20$. TWENTY DOLLARS FOR 500,000 VIEWS?!! Im sure that the money combined that was spent on all of the products the adds were advertising equals a whole lot more than 20$. In fact, you have to get over 50$ to even be sent your ad revenue so it will take forever for most people to get that far. In order to get over 50$ you need to make about 300,000 ad impressions. *Not the exact numnber, im just saying you have to get as crap load of impressions*

So what do you guys think.. should we keep this tool that spreads pennies to each user, or should we get the money together and use for something else such as prize money or new NG related events? I just think a lot of money is being wasted with this.

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This is as big of a scam as YouTube's advertising your video by paying for each view.


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Yeah. It would be better to have mini contests weekly or daily or whatever and give the money usually spent for everyone, to one person. You speak da truth mon.


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It's not exactly wasting money since you need 50$ in order to be eligible for a check. So really on people who contribute get a check and they pay you nothing until you get to 50.

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shutt uppp, at least they're letting you make money from your work, also it doesn't go by the views, it goes by whoever clicks the ads I think.

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I never figured out how to put the ads in my Flashes (not that anyone watches them), so I'm not plagued by this problem.


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At 7/21/09 04:33 PM, Twilight wrote: It's not exactly wasting money since you need 50$ in order to be eligible for a check. So really on people who contribute get a check and they pay you nothing until you get to 50.

Yes but they mark off every cent off of their buget even if the money has not been sent yet. Tom took away the monthly money prizes because of the ad revenue. It still effects NG even if the money is not being sent. And if you have a paypal, it is sent every month.

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that is why revenue share works. pillock.


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You're seriously complaining about getting what is essentially free money? You should be grateful that you're on the one site on the internet that operates on a business model halfway to insane, that allows massive handouts to over a million users simply for being users. $20 will buy a decent meal at McDonald's; you can probably buy one gallon of medium-grade flat latex paint for $12 to $15; you can buy 100,000 Sudoku puzzles for $14.99 at any major retailer; with $20 you can go to sharebuilder.com to set up an account to buy and sell stock, making your investment grow nicely -- there are a myriad of things you can do with the money you've earned, none of which you'd have been able to do in the absence of it, so perhaps complaining that you're getting the money at all is looking a gift horse in the mouth.

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Your share was probably made low by the submissions you voiced in stupid. If you only did the voices and they did all the rest they're gonna' want like an 80% to 20% split.

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Right now I have enough money for the postage for the Ad Revenue check to be mailed so... Yeah.

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At 7/21/09 04:24 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: I have finally come to the conclusion that the ad revenue is kind of pointless because hundreds of dollars are spread out over all the users of NG, letting everyone buy about.. oh lets see here... a twix bar. I have participated in a total of 500,000 views all together in a couple of movies I voiced for, making me a total of 20$. TWENTY DOLLARS FOR 500,000 VIEWS?!! Im sure that the money combined that was spent on all of the products the adds were advertising equals a whole lot more than 20$. In fact, you have to get over 50$ to even be sent your ad revenue so it will take forever for most people to get that far. In order to get over 50$ you need to make about 300,000 ad impressions. *Not the exact numnber, im just saying you have to get as crap load of impressions*

So what do you guys think.. should we keep this tool that spreads pennies to each user, or should we get the money together and use for something else such as prize money or new NG related events? I just think a lot of money is being wasted with this.

It's not being wasted, its providing incentive for new and old users of the site to become more creatively active. As opposed to just giving prize money to the same people every month. (granted they earned it, if they won the monthly)

The revenue sharing works on the basis of how much effort and CONTINUED effort you put into it. Its like an investment. You invest your time and energy to making / contributing in entertaining flash games and IN THE LONG RUN, it begins to pay you back. The system works when you continue to make games, you cant expect to 'roar' on one game and expect to be swimming in thousands the next week.

If you are going to use the API, you should have 2 goals.

1- Make a solid game. If youre game sucks nobody is gonna wanna share it.
2- Spread your game(s) EVERYWHERE. Theres literally millions of flash game portals out there. The more exposure the more clickthrough opportunities you have.

It adds up, I have like many games hooked up to the rev share so i am still making 10 bucks or so from pico day 2008 game, a game more than a year old. The key is, that im not sitting around waiting for paychecks from that pico day game, im making more games, and plugging the api into more of them. So that eventually ill begin benefiting from those. But its a neverending process and if you make it your goal to make GOOD games / movies then you are likely to get some good bank from it.

In some early userpage posts by Psychogoldfish he gives you a list of sites you can submit your game to in order to spread its popularity. Look into that. Your game isnt going to succeed if you keep on newgrounds.

In my experience, expanding to international flash game sites also provides good clickthrough opportunities. You may not understand the language but you can usually make out where the 'submit flash' button is.

Long story short, The api sucks if you just sit there and dont do shit and make crappy threads complaining about it :)

20$ in ad revenue woo. :/

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At 7/21/09 04:57 PM, Luis wrote: Long story short, The api sucks if you just sit there and dont do shit and make crappy threads complaining about it :)

It really doesn't make that much money off of ads...

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At 7/21/09 05:00 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote:
At 7/21/09 04:57 PM, Luis wrote: Long story short, The api sucks if you just sit there and dont do shit and make crappy threads complaining about it :)
It really doesn't make that much money off of ads...

You're clearly not considering where the money comes from. An advertiser pays Newgrounds (indirectly) to advertise their product and they pay based upon clicks and impressions. If your adverts get 2 clicks you can't expect to make $100 because that's just not possible for the businesses to sustain.

Really, this revenue system is awesome IF you're one of the people who it will work for. It's not aimed at BBS regulars, it's aimed at Flash developers. Furthermore, how can you complain about free money? I agree it's a poor argument but with everything Luis said complaining just makes you look like a prick.

As with ALL business monetisation is not easy, just slapping up a flash advert and expecting to make a living is stupid. You have to work for the money.


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At 7/21/09 04:36 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: Yes but they mark off every cent off of their buget even if the money has not been sent yet. Tom took away the monthly money prizes because of the ad revenue. It still effects NG even if the money is not being sent. And if you have a paypal, it is sent every month.

Why compete with other people for cash when this Ad Revenue thing just gives it to you? Geez, if you're complaining that you don't get enough for your Ice Cream Audio then golly gee suck the shit up. I only have like 6 cents and I know people that have had 0 since this shit came out.

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At 7/21/09 05:00 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote:
At 7/21/09 04:57 PM, Luis wrote: Long story short, The api sucks if you just sit there and dont do shit and make crappy threads complaining about it :)
It really doesn't make that much money off of ads...

It does but not off one game. Theres like 12 games feeding that beast and it just adds up, like 10 from this game, 30 from this other one, maybe you have a really old game and thats giving you 5 bucks. its like small chunks here and there.

You can also couple that api with a sponsorship sometimes and benefit from that. Meh as citric said, its mostly aimed at developers, and thats partly why tom is really pushing the power of 3 thing, encouraging music artists, coders, and artists to really begin collaborating and going after the scene.

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HEY LUIS!!!

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At 7/21/09 04:57 PM, Luis wrote: stuff

Well Luis, I understand how you can potentially make a great investment with this, but what percentage of users will do this? How many countless users will have 2$ just sitting in their accounts not being used? That is the only thing I am concerned about.

In the long run, yes it will be a good thing but only for 1% of those who stick with it. That wont be fore me because I do not make solo projects so i can not determines where to put the games and the movies.

Now, I just started a full time job with an artist here on NG writing, designing, and voice acting for 20% of the profits with a lot of say in what happens in each project so maybe now I can have the oppurtunity in putting in API systems and such. Since I will get 10% on 30 projects here in the next few years, I will most likely make a worthy amount of money... but how many NG users will actually get to this point?

Oh and for thos who said im complaining, im not complaining at all Im, asking a question and stating an opinion on the ad revenue system. Complaining would be IM NOT GETTING ENOUGH MONEY. I never said that. I enjoy the money as much as anyone would but I just think it could be used to be put to better use. Although Luis did explain a clear explanation of what the ad revenue system pottentially can be, so thanks Luis.

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At 7/21/09 05:18 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:
At 7/21/09 04:57 PM, Luis wrote: stuff
Well Luis, I understand how you can potentially make a great investment with this, but what percentage of users will do this? How many countless users will have 2$ just sitting in their accounts not being used? That is the only thing I am concerned about.

The money isnt coming directly from tom's pocket. It comes based on the aggreement ng has with cpmstar (the vendor of the ad placements). So if there is 2$ just sitting there, then its just sitting there. so what?
Its still your 2$, .25 cents, whatever. Its not wasting ng resources or anything. Its just an extra feature to those users who want to take advantage of it. Theres some users who will use it on every game and movie they make and thats fine. They may or may not make alot of money but if the potential is there and they feel up to it then by all means its within their power to place the API there.

You said youre not complaining about how much money you are making but let me remind you that the title to this thread is 20$ in ad revenue woo. :/

I know sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet but im going to go out on a limb and assume you arent thrilled at only making 20 dollars based on the way you typed your thread title

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Pretty awesome well 20.00 isnt much but its a hell of a load for NG good work on bringing this up. We all must be appreciative.

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I have 0.48$... It's not enough :|
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You said youre not complaining about how much money you are making but let me remind you that the title to this thread is 20$ in ad revenue woo. :/

I know sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet but im going to go out on a limb and assume you arent thrilled at only making 20 dollars based on the way you typed your thread title

I meant that as in its not a large sum of money for the number of views and ad impressions recieved, but I am still very happy to get it. Who wouldnt be happy to get 20$ lol? :P

My main concern was how much money would be wasted, but obviously it has been prooven that not much money is wasted afterall.

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At 7/21/09 05:34 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:
I meant that as in its not a large sum of money for the number of views and ad impressions recieved...

True, but it's the only way. The only reason that the ad companies can pay you for the views you get them is in hopes that they'll attract traffic and make sales. If they payed even just 1 cent for every view or click, it wouldn't be profitable and they wouldn't be able to do it at all.

I think. That's what I get out of it anyway.

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At 7/21/09 05:34 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: Who wouldnt be happy to get 20$ lol? :P

I would. It would feel like I am robbing from Newgrounds. If I received any amount of money from this ad revenue feature I'd simply mail Newgrounds a cheque in that exact amount.

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ITT: OP acts like whiney, spoilt brat because the free money he's getting isn't enough free money for him.

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What exactly is revenue sharing?


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At 7/21/09 05:37 PM, Piss wrote:
At 7/21/09 05:34 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: Who wouldnt be happy to get 20$ lol? :P
I would. It would feel like I am robbing from Newgrounds. If I received any amount of money from this ad revenue feature I'd simply mail Newgrounds a cheque in that exact amount.

I believed that the ad revenue system was indeed robbing Newgrounds, but apparently it isnt so woohoo. And you do know I said WHO WOULDNT right?

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Better than getting no money at all, FUCK OFF YOU SHITTY VOICE ACTOR.

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