Could Opera Mix w/ Anything???

[SpamRuler]

With so many music genres out thier these days, and so few new ones being invented I have been conceptualizing mixing Opera with another genres to create something new and maybe kinda poppy?

I myself am in school to become an Opera singer so I feel my view may be bias on this idea.

A few short things about opera that I think everyone should know:

-Opera is just a performance were their is no talking, JUST SINGING
-Opera takes a long time to learn how to do well, without blowing out a vocal cord or some shit.
-Follows many classical forms of music, but many of those forms can be found today in popular music as well as METAL!!!!

I HAVE A DREAM.... but I want to make sure it just isn't some crazy idea I came up with when I was drunk.

[Mich]

It's probably been done before, but at least it's not generic at all.
I say go for it and experiment with it. I'm actually looking forward to what you can make with this concept.

[Mrmilkcarton]

Seems to work nicely with trance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssbMDkIVM ck

[loansindi]

Nightwish's old singer was down right operatic sometimes.

[sorohanro]

Actually in opera is a lot of talking, just take all the classical operas and see recitatives.
Also, there are plenty of rock operas, started in 70s with 'Tommy" by "The Who" and "Jesus Christ Superstar"... in 80s ABBA made a pop opera, due to internal conflicts in the band they didn't released, but was good material, out there is "I'm a Marionette" from this project... great track, awesome orchestration, awesome concept.

Nowdays are quite a lot of rock and metal operas.
I've seen an electronic opera, very good show, they were in Vilnius at the NOA opera festival where I was participating in orchestra.
Touring Machine, that's a good one.

[SpamRuler]

At 7/21/09 04:04 PM, sorohanro wrote: Actually in opera is a lot of talking, just take all the classical operas and see recitatives.

-First of all the singer must adhere to the musical time and inflection of the "talking" and this is a very small fraction of the music.

Also, there are plenty of rock operas, started in 70s with 'Tommy" by "The Who" and "Jesus Christ Superstar"... in 80s ABBA made a pop opera,

-"Pop-Opera IS NOT Opera, they are a different genres. Opera has certain things that need to be in them to make it an opera. Listen to some Figaro

I may sound like a bitch but I am going to school for this shit

[SpamRuler]

Elitist.... ;)

-Having a passion for something does not make me a Elitist, I am poor as fuck for christs sake!

[EmperorCharlemagne]

I'm still waiting for a complete staging of Stockhausen's 7-cycle Licht Operas. Too bad it's impossible.

I think Philip Glass made some pretty experimental operas. Or at least with Einstein on the Beach he did.

You gotta have the right touch when dealing with opera. A bunch of singing to a guitar song does not an opera make. It needs to be careful and requires some finesse.

Good luck?

[Mich]

At 7/21/09 04:37 PM, SpamRuler wrote:

Elitist.... ;)

-Having a passion for something does not make me a Elitist, I am poor as fuck for christs sake!

";)" means he's messing with ya, don't take it seriously.
And you don't need to be rich to be an elitist. A elitist is just someone who feels he's very good at something and shows that he thinks that to other people. We've got a few examples at the Audio forum but I'm going to refrain from naming them, as it's objective anyway.

[sorohanro]

At 7/21/09 04:23 PM, SpamRuler wrote: -"Pop-Opera IS NOT Opera, they are a different genres. Opera has certain things that need to be in them to make it an opera. Listen to some Figaro

I may sound like a bitch but I am going to school for this shit

I may sound like a bitch but I was working at the Romanian National Opera of Cluj-Napoca for 2 years, State Philharmonics of Targu-Mures (thet's in Transilvania, Romania) for 7 years, been in NOA Opera Festival recently (made CD with 5 operas, me as trumpet player in orchestra, percussion/ singer/ acting in another one and sound engineer assistant), but been with operas all over Europe (festivals in Germany, Sweden, Hungary and France)...

Pop opera is opera too.
Actually some of the most famous operas were the pop music of their time, as a quick example pops into my mind all Rossini's operas, but there is more "pop" stuff...

[Back-From-Purgatory]

Nightwish. Epica.

This idea has been around a long time... and with any luck, will still be around much longer.

PS: Yes, I realize with Nightwish's new singer she doesn't have the same singing style as Tarja, but Tarja was indeed an opera singer.

[loansindi]

At 7/21/09 11:03 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: PS: Yes, I realize with Nightwish's new singer she doesn't have the same singing style as Tarja, but Tarja was indeed an opera singer.

Nightwish with the new singer is much more focused on pop/modern metal, certainly not unpleasant but not the same as it used to be.

[sorohanro]

At 7/21/09 03:42 PM, SpamRuler wrote: -Opera is just a performance were their is no talking, JUST SINGING

Some more corrections should be written:
- Opera include talking and acting, sometimes also swords fighting choreography.
- Opera include orchestral parts that do not have singing, like overtures, interludes or ballet numbers.
- Opera include dancing, as choreography. Some ballet numbers taken from operas made it as solo numbers in ballet shows.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 7/21/09 11:05 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 7/21/09 11:03 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: PS: Yes, I realize with Nightwish's new singer she doesn't have the same singing style as Tarja, but Tarja was indeed an opera singer.

Nightwish with the new singer is much more focused on pop/modern metal, certainly not unpleasant but not the same as it used to be.

I own Nightwish's CDs both new and old, along with Tarja's solo album from after she left Nightwish, I enjoy them both.

But that aside, I am glad someone, somewhere tried this type of music. As I enjoy both metal and classical music (Among much else)... Mixing stuff like this together is true music to my ears.

[sorohanro]

Having a singer that sings in bel canto technique (like Nightwish) don't make it opera.
Actually very important periods of opera don't include bel canto technique at all, like Baroque opera, Wagner's operas and all modern/ contemporary (from Gershwin to... experimental stuff these days).

Some of the most important rock operas also (Tommy, Jesus Christ Superstar, Hair...etc) don't have bel canto at all and still, remains operas. Why ?
Because opera is more than a vocal technique over something.
Is the "something" that counts, like the storyline going from beginning to the end, a strong story that create strong characters, arias that everybody can relay to (like Verdi's arias that everybody can sing along, like Puccini's melodies that can bring tears in your eyes... like "Gethsemane (I Only Want to Say)" from Jesus Christ Superstar... and so on), ideas that transcend the "action on stage" and speak of human timeless values (like Verdi's operas about Jewish liberation from Egypt that are actually about Italian Revolution against Austrian Empire).

[Khuskan]

Opera mixes fantastically with many electronic genres such as drum and bass and dubstep.

[sorohanro]

You should check the links in my first post, there is "The Touring Machine" which is just that, opera+electronix.

[Carf]

For those who say Nightwish and Epica.

Go and check After Forever, teh best Holland can give you.
Epica is their bitch ;p

[sorohanro]

Sorry, I didn't meant to make anyone look like anything.
Just were way too much errors into saying what is not opera... and way too many people mistaking bel canto singing with opera (all the Nightwish posts).

Guess people just post and don't really bother to read what was posted before.