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At 9/8/09 08:59 PM, EJR wrote:

At 9/8/09 05:30 PM, Zanroth wrote: I have one.
Is there a limited to the amount of people you can scout on a daily basis?

I think it's two people per day.

No, i believe that it is only one a day now since there was abuse to the system.

I have a question....since all my "art" are sketches would that prevent me from getting scouted?

At 9/8/09 09:06 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I have a question....since all my "bad art" are sketches would that prevent me from getting scouted?

Yes, yes it would

I have a question... not sure if it has been asked.

But I am in Ceramics class. I am also looking to make some pretty wicked sculptures. Would pictures of those be okay?

At 9/8/09 11:52 PM, Neo-Fusion wrote: But I am in Ceramics class. I am also looking to make some pretty wicked sculptures. Would pictures of those be okay?

yes... taking pictures of things you have made from scratch or painted / drawn where you are un able to scan it.. is aceptable as long as its the main focus of the picture... taking pictures of buildings/trees/animals *blah blah blah* are not...

I see that I am scouted again, so my problem is solved. Thanks to the mods who solved it, but one question. Why I have lost my ability to scout others:I

Sorry for double posting, but any ideas why I am unscouted AGAIN?
I did nothing abusive(:(

At 9/10/09 03:44 AM, TiberiumCrystalKutu wrote: I did nothing abusive(:(

it may be beacuse of the "art" isnt to a standard worth letting in the portal... i think someone has already brough up your artwork stating the question "is this art?"... to be honested anything is art... BUT... there has to be alot of effort and time spent in it where as yours are just abstract colours and scribbles with effects on top... its nothing personal, but thats why i belive your art has been unscouted...

you dont have to do anything abusive, post stolen work or be a moron... your artwork is just not up to the standards that the mods would like onto the portal...

At 9/10/09 03:44 AM, TiberiumCrystalKutu wrote: Sorry for double posting, but any ideas why I am unscouted AGAIN?
I did nothing abusive(:(

[awkwardly steps in]
Abstract art.
My first answer is that your intentions with the images were more clear, and that the ideas you wanted to convey were more deeper and multi-dimensional. At the moment, I get the impression that these are random brush actions, with a meaning stapled on.

I'm not happy with my first answer, since it's me trying to be tolerant to your work, and abstract art.

My second answer is at heart people would rather see pictures by illustrators, graphic designers or fine artists. Even if the ideas are really shallow, like a chicken dunking his balls in some tea, people can appreciate technique more easily and readily. Abstract art isn't best displayed on the internet as a thumbnail, but up on a wall in someone's corridor or in a gallery (uses the space in a room).

That's my response, feel free if you want to discuss this.

or if another mod says "wtf are you talking about turkey"

Sorry if this has been asked, but will there be scout levels? Your level goes up as you gain higher scores, scout other successful artists, and multiple ppl try to scout you. This could help prevent good artists from being unscouted because their scouter did something wrong.

I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted. The reason being that I lurk around a lot and I am not particularly active. I don't see how you can get discovered if you don't know any other artists on the portal. If you aren't buddies with people already up there, then there is little to no chance to get scouted.

I think punishing scouters for the behavior of others discourages them from scouting artwork. I think the judgment they make is on the quality of the particular piece they scout, not the behavior of the other user, which is impossible to predict, especially over the internet.

At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted. The reason being that I lurk around a lot and I am not particularly active. I don't see how you can get discovered if you don't know any other artists on the portal. If you aren't buddies with people already up there, then there is little to no chance to get scouted.

I agree with this.
I think I could be scouted to be honest, my art isn't outstanding, but I think it's good, and I was scouted before, now it's impossible to be seen and nobody ever wants to risk losing their scout by scouting someone, so I feel like I'll never get scouted.. :(

At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted.

A. You didnt have 4 submissions till recently
B. you forgot to tag your submissions as "public" so that they would be included in the art portal. Public images are the only ones that count towards the 4 you need to be scouted. I marked them public for you, with the hopes that I would scout you, but someone beat me to it.

I seem to have gotten unscouted again, and it also seems a limit for unscouted submissions has also been put in place, therefore kind of making it less possible for me to get people's attention.

So, in order to know how many of my works I need to remove before I can upload new ones, I need to know how many I'm actually supposed to upload.

What's the submission limit for unscouted artists?

At 10/16/09 02:15 AM, ornery wrote:

At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted.

A. You didnt have 4 submissions till recently
B. you forgot to tag your submissions as "public" so that they would be included in the art portal. Public images are the only ones that count towards the 4 you need to be scouted. I marked them public for you, with the hopes that I would scout you, but someone beat me to it.

A) I didn't have a fourth until recently, but the other three have been up for a considerable time.
B) I thought I did, I don't know how I missed that. If it was a mistake on my part then I apologize.

At 10/16/09 05:21 AM, Zanroth wrote: I seem to have gotten unscouted again, and it also seems a limit for unscouted submissions has also been put in place, therefore kind of making it less possible for me to get people's attention.

With the new system in place getting unscouted is now almost entirely that individual users fualt. I cant stress this enough, DONT ACCEPT SCOUT REQUESTS FROM USERS WHO YOU DONT THINK ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO STAY SCOUTED. Follow the tree up a few ways and see where a weak branch might be to be safe. I'm NOT suggesting that you only accept scouts from mods or one branch down from a mod, but see where the tree leads, if it has a strong branches you should be safe (unless of course your work is bad as well.)

So, in order to know how many of my works I need to remove before I can upload new ones, I need to know how many I'm actually supposed to upload.

If i remeber correctly an unscouted user can have 20 submissions. I wouldnt recommend deleting any of yours unless you really dont like them, just sit still and be patient, someone will pick you up soon enough.

Ok, here's a quick one, it's pretty easy: When you go into the Art Portal, and see the snippet of a picture, does the author choose which section of the picture you see? I know it's kind of hard to understand what I'm saying this way, I'll use an example. Let's say someone uploads a picture of Hank from Madness and it gets into the Art Portal. For the mini- preview image, let's say the zoomed in preview is of the eye. Does the author choose this, or is it random?

At 10/16/09 02:57 PM, LDAF wrote: Ok, here's a quick one

Have you tried uploading any art yet? As soon as you select the file to upload it prompts you to pick what part of the piece you want to be viewed as your preview image. It's very easy to understand and do.

So yes, you can choose what people see as the preview.

If you want to continue your enquiry, post it in the Art Portal Q&A thread in the WiHt forum, along with a link to your friend's NG submissions if you want a better answer.

here you go ...
http://saint-max.newgrounds.com

let's hope I get no more flamings!

I know that I'm not good enough for the art portal yet, but I have a suggestion.
Could you implement a feature so that scouting people can ... eh.. anti-scout? people.
Basically, through a press of a button simply inform the artist that he just isn't good enough?

That way, you don't have to wonder if you are just not scouted yet, or won't be scouted at all.

At 11/5/09 04:14 PM, Snakex86 wrote: let's hope I get no more flamings!

...unless people saw your original question ...which was in another thread, in another forum... they're not going to know what you're talking about.

Why hasn't 'your friend' been scouted? It could be several reasons. He list his website as a game site. He has no email or contact info. He only has 4 pieces of art... conveniently the exact required amount necessary for scouting, no news posts ...all red flags that scream 'this stuff is stolen'.

Tell him to submit more ...add contact info ...add links to his art work on his own site (or places like DA or CA). Tell him to make a news post. There's absolutely nothing about his profile that's personalized. People need to know that there's an actual ...legitimate... person behind the art, otherwise they'll assume it some lame spammer and he'll never get scouted.

At 11/5/09 07:47 PM, the-one-u-dont-see wrote: I know that I'm not good enough for the art portal yet, but I have a suggestion.
Could you implement a feature so that scouting people can ... eh.. anti-scout? people.
Basically, through a press of a button simply inform the artist that he just isn't good enough?

That way, you don't have to wonder if you are just not scouted yet, or won't be scouted at all.

That would be kind of pointless. Everyone has different tastes. Just because one person thinks someone's stuff isn't good enough doesn't mean the next 4 people aren't going to love it. Plus people typically improve over time ...just because someone posts something that's not "portal worthy" today, doesn't mean they won't post something spectacular a month from now. An 'anti-scout button' would just discourage people from even trying to get better ... and no one wants that!!

Every and anyone can be 'good enough.' Post in the art forum... ask for tips and critiques ...and just keep at it! You'll get there! ;)

Thanks ahead of time.

Question?
?) I moved a piece from sketch to public. I mention this because I think there's a bug. When I sort by score it doesn't show up. This happens on both my user page and in the art portal proper. Piece in question is Violent Encounter. If you follow those links and then change the sort to 'score' you'll see my piece disappear. I know this could be fixed by resubmitting, but it's a bug.

Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?. It may seem obvious now, but I was looking for this in the art forum. I know, I know but it made sense to me.

2) A threadless style critique system. What am I talking about? Like this. Bitch to implement? But I think it fosters a good atmosphere. It might even encourage artists to make this their site of choice.

3) If not then when it moves from sketch to public it's creation date should be reset. No one will see it if it starts off buried back 4 days. Again fixed by resubmitting, but...

4) Art Favorites should be viewed as icons instead of as a list on your user page. I don't know what my favorites are called this kind of defeats the purpose.

5) I read through this topic and I know it's already been said, but I'd like to second it. You should be able to see who favorites you.

Again a lot to get through thanks.

At 11/13/09 03:11 AM, Occluded wrote: Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?. It may seem obvious now, but I was looking for this in the art forum. I know, I know but it made sense to me.

Or if not in the FAQ then in the 'New to Art? Read this first' header topic in the Art Forum.

At 11/13/09 03:11 AM, Occluded wrote: Thanks ahead of time.

Question?
?) I moved a piece from sketch to public. I mention this because I think there's a bug. When I sort by score it doesn't show up.

Its because it dosent have enough votes yet. I dont know the exact number that piece needs, but its somewhere around 15 votes I think, might be more. Once it gets that many votes it will show up under score.

Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?

We need a link to alot of topics and updates in the FAQ, currently the staff is busy with other things, hopefully someday it will happen though.

2) A threadless style critique system. What am I talking about? Like this. Bitch to implement? But I think it fosters a good atmosphere. It might even encourage artists to make this their site of choice.

What? I dont quite get whats different about that over reviews. Maybe Im not noticing exactly whats going on there.

3) If not then when it moves from sketch to public it's creation date should be reset. No one will see it if it starts off buried back 4 days. Again fixed by resubmitting, but...

Too easy to abuse, people would keep rechecking stuff for public to reset the date to get it up to the front.

4) Art Favorites should be viewed as icons instead of as a list on your user page. I don't know what my favorites are called this kind of defeats the purpose.

This absolutely, but again staff is busy, it may be implemented in the future.

5) I read through this topic and I know it's already been said, but I'd like to second it. You should be able to see who favorites you.

In due time, in due time.

At 11/13/09 09:48 PM, ornery wrote: Its because it dosent have enough votes yet. I dont know the exact number that piece needs, but its somewhere around 15 votes I think, might be more. Once it gets that many votes it will show up under score.

Ahhhhh. Cool. Thanks. Now I feel dumb. I already PMed Rob.

We need a link to alot of topics and updates in the FAQ, currently the staff is busy with other things, hopefully someday it will happen though.

Other things? Is that a euphemism? ;)

What? I dont quite get whats different about that over reviews. Maybe Im not noticing exactly whats going on there.

Well perhaps if I had explained it better. Why can't you just read my mind.

First of all the critique area is hidden to everyone but other artists in critique too. This encourages everyone to critique. So, if you want to get people to give you a critique you're obligated to critique their work first. Critiques also show up on the user page which was how I linked to this one.

Tangent- Maybe you could implement a critique debit/credit system. You can't submit a new piece for critique until you've given the required number of critiques. But I digress.

If you look at the page I linked to you'll see (above the design) arrows next to v1 v2 v3. They refer to versions of the design. If you click on the v1 title then the first version of the design will appear along with the critiques for that version. Along with a rating system that lets other artists indicate how finished they think this piece is. You can see growth, and the process and allows for a very insightful comments. For me it was the most educational, and encouraging creative experience I've had online.

Too easy to abuse, people would keep rechecking stuff for public to reset the date to get it up to the front.

I guess I thought checking that box was a one time deal. Hadn't even thought to try doing it again. This kind of abuse could be cut off with a whistle option. As it stands it discourages me from submitting anything as a sketch. I know it's kind of a dick move but I'm thinking about deleting and resubmitting Violent Encounter. From my perspective I feel a bit cheated out of reviews and votes as it started off buried.

This absolutely, but again staff is busy, it may be implemented in the future.

You're building WMDs over there aren't you?

Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate it.

Hey I just joined about a month ago so I'm still unfamiliar with half of the rules but I want to add art to Newgrounds but dont know whether I'm good enough. I uploaded one of my many works could someone check it and tell me if I should upload 3 more and hopefully get scouted. Because I don't want to upload my work if it sucks.

At 11/15/09 12:05 AM, GMoose14 wrote: Hey I just joined about a month ago...

I wouldn't scout you. That doesn't mean you suck. I like the textures you got going on. I think your anatomy needs some work. He has kinda stumpy legs. You can upload your art into the Art forum there is an official critique thread. I've just asked someone to bump up. I'll PM you with it when it comes up. Or you could start your own art thread in the art forum, and ask for critiques. Don't expect a lot. If you post in there be humble. Don't make demands. Don't threaten. Don't get defensive. And don't throw a pity party. People there are accepting as long as you play nice. They can also be vicious.

I'd go to the library or a book store and start reading up on technique. Look at pictures and try to copy them without tracing. Start thinking about your subjects inhabiting a space instead of just presenting them facing full front toward you.

At 11/14/09 02:45 AM, Occluded wrote: Critique Section stuff

Ah so its more critique based than review based, although with our system you get both, however it would be interesting to have some system where you spesifically line works up for critique. And a reward system would be the only way to get people to do so, like your quota system, you have to critique X pieces in order to submit a piece, however keep in mind this is NG, try as it might its not an art site, and the chances of getting the same quality critiques will be significantly less, and even less if there is some red tape to jump through because NG users love to do the minimal amount of work required to get through that tape. The only true advantage I see in that really isnt in that system at all but more can be implemented in a different one, and thats the version stuff. It would be incredibly helpful if we could submit W.I.P or multiple versions of one image on one page that we could scroll through, The final one would be art portal viewable, but the others would accompany it instead of people submitting 5 different versions of one pic and makeing them all clog the portal or their user page.

Box Rechecking

yeah you'd be surprised how many people recheck stuff that has been unchecked. It wouldn't be fair to make it a one time deal either, because some artists (myself included) are indecisive and don't know what they want as public and change their minds frequently for various legitimate reasons. As for resubmitting a piece just to get reviews, major abusive, its no different than resubmitting blammed flash really, especially if it hasn't changed at all in the new submit. Instead of risking a spanking try submitting more work, when people see stuff of yours they like they will be more likely to check your other stuff and give it reviews.

At 11/15/09 12:05 AM, GMoose14 wrote: Hey I just joined about a month ago

Currently based on that piece, no you arent, however I would recommend submiting more work anyway, and as you get better in the future submit that work and feel free to delete your not as good stuff.

At 11/15/09 12:32 PM, ornery wrote: critique system

Yeah I know it's not an art site. That's me just projecting my desires. I think it would be cool though. And I think this site has the capability to become a major art portal. I think that a critique system would be a major draw. Well it would be for me, but then again I'm already here so...

Box Rechecking

I get it now that you've said it. It just never crossed my mind to toggle that.

I'm not going to resubmit. I will take your advice and work on something better. It's what I should be doing anyway.

Thanks.

GMoose14

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[art101] Critiquing Thread

Okay it's about that typography question for the art portal

Typography is playing around with letters to get a final image (sending a message with just one or two words)
and make sure the harmony of the letters interacts with each other

like in this example I made once

is this allowed?