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At 7/14/09 11:49 PM, MercatorMap wrote: Yah, I was in for 2 years...I was an MP. Served 16 months in iraq...Developed massive stomach problems...Medical discharge. In a nutshell, my military experience.

Iraq sucked.

Get any terrorists while you were there?

At 7/14/09 11:31 PM, Grobinson wrote: Look I'm not here to say the military is the coolest stuff since sliced bread lol. I was just making conversation like everyone else wants to do. If you don't support the military then that's your right. I'm not here to recruit anyone or anything like that. If I offended you I'm sorry.

I, for one, and not going to be a complete dick, and am actually just going to thank you for your service to the United States. I personally am not in the military, however.

And, dickwads, just because you do not support the war, does not mean you do not support the troops. Call me an "imperialist" or whatever shit, but this is one thing I'm not going to be all friendly about. This man is just here to see if there are some fellow soldiers on this forum. He didn't ask for you to tell him that the war he is involved in is all about oil or some shit.

At 7/14/09 10:42 PM, Grobinson wrote: Hey newgrounds.

Hey welcome to the website fellow service member. If you look at my sig there is a small link that says military crew, you're more than welcome to come say hello in there.

At 7/14/09 11:01 PM, Grobinson wrote:
Also: Drill Sergeants(Instructors) yelling isn't such a bad thing.

Haha, yea maybe if you're in the Army ROFL.

At 7/15/09 03:03 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote:

At 7/14/09 10:42 PM, Grobinson wrote: Hey newgrounds.

Hey welcome to the website fellow service member. If you look at my sig there is a small link that says military crew, you're more than welcome to come say hello in there.

At 7/14/09 11:01 PM, Grobinson wrote:
Also: Drill Sergeants(Instructors) yelling isn't such a bad thing.

Haha, yea maybe if you're in the Army ROFL.

Spiffy, I'd also like to thank you for your service to our country. You guys rock.

At 7/15/09 03:05 AM, Presidentjlh wrote:
Spiffy, I'd also like to thank you for your service to our country. You guys rock.

I always greatly appreciate thanks from people. I think that's one of the best parts of being in the military, when someone truly appreciates what you do, because I'm putting my life on the line for this country and some people just don't realize that.

At 7/14/09 10:48 PM, Kev-o wrote: I support our troops when they shoot their officers.

Die in a fire please.

thnxbai

At 7/15/09 03:16 AM, Aliensandwich wrote:

At 7/14/09 10:48 PM, Kev-o wrote: I support our troops when they shoot their officers.

Die in a fire please.

thnxbai

Agreed, 100%. I hate it when people say stupid shit like that. It's sick and wrong. I don't care if you think the war is evil, the troops and officers are good men and women, they need our support.

At 7/15/09 03:13 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: because I'm putting my life on the line for this country and some people just don't realize that.

i don't know why, but for some reason i thought you were an army mp and a rage welled up inside me. but luckily, i double-checked and you are indeed not a fag.

At 7/15/09 03:16 AM, Aliensandwich wrote:

At 7/14/09 10:48 PM, Kev-o wrote: I support our troops when they shoot their officers.

Die in a fire please.

thnxbai

I'm happy you feel that way.

At 7/14/09 10:48 PM, Kev-o wrote: I support our troops when they shoot their officers.

meh. officers only push papers and organize what the snack is going to be at the platoon/batallion/brigade function: usually cookies. college doesn't mean as much as it did when the position was made because now a lot of enlisted guys have degrees.

At 7/14/09 11:27 PM, ripoffhitman wrote: We don't try to take over the world,

Go tell that to the queen of Hawaii. Go ahead.

Oh I forgot she is no longer the Queen because we basically took over, that's cool.

At 7/14/09 11:35 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 7/14/09 11:27 PM, ripoffhitman wrote: In our country, we respect our soldiers.

We don't try to take over the world, we try to help, and if we hadn't helped, this world would either be controlled by Germans, Japanese, or Great Britain (when it was Great Britain).

Mmm ethnocentrism.

In my country, some people respect soldiers and some don't. I do not.

Why? Because they are baby killers? Because they go out and conquer other countries for no reason?

If those are your reasons, then you don't have a beef with the military, you have a beef with your politicians.

At 7/15/09 03:25 AM, michelinman wrote:
meh. officers only push papers and organize what the snack is going to be at the platoon/batallion/brigade function: usually cookies. college doesn't mean as much as it did when the position was made because now a lot of enlisted guys have degrees.

I agree a lot of officers serve no other purpose than to push paper around. That's the one thing I don't want to become. I'm currently enlisted and going through college, and it definitely gives you a better perspective on how the military works than just going through college.

I think all officers should be required to have time in as enlisted members.

At 7/15/09 03:29 AM, MercatorMap wrote: you have a beef with your politicians.

Wrong.

The military is made up of people just like you and me. The only way they would go to poor countries and kill people is if enough of them agreed to it. The people in the army could protest and tell the politicians to go fuck themselves. The power of the government lies within it's people, not the other way around.

At 7/15/09 03:33 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: I think all officers should be required to have time in as enlisted members.

very true. when a cherry LT shows up at your unit, he's at the lowest level there, because he has the lowest time in service of anybody there and usually acts like a complete doucher because he feels like he's accomplished shit and he hasn't. enlisted time would do them some good.

At 7/15/09 03:35 AM, michelinman wrote:

At 7/15/09 03:33 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: I think all officers should be required to have time in as enlisted members.

very true. when a cherry LT shows up at your unit, he's at the lowest level there, because he has the lowest time in service of anybody there and usually acts like a complete doucher because he feels like he's accomplished shit and he hasn't. enlisted time would do them some good.

Hey, Michelinman, I would have said this before if I had realized you were in the military, but thank you for your service to our country.

At 7/15/09 03:33 AM, He-Who-Never-Was wrote:
Wrong.

The military is made up of people just like you and me. The only way they would go to poor countries and kill people is if enough of them agreed to it. The people in the army could protest and tell the politicians to go fuck themselves. The power of the government lies within it's people, not the other way around.

Clearly the military is not made of people just like you. If you want to tell the politician to go fuck themselves your only choice is to get out or shut your mouth. You truly have no understanding of how the military works.

But then again, you seemingly don't care how the military works or why it exists, or why it is the way it is.

The power of government lies with a few select people.

At 7/14/09 10:48 PM, Kev-o wrote: I support our troops when they shoot their officers.

I agree with you. But the officers should shoot their High-ranks before.

At 7/15/09 03:38 AM, Presidentjlh wrote: Hey, Michelinman, I would have said this before if I had realized you were in the military, but thank you for your service to our country.

as far as the leadership quality, the way they run things, and what the priorites are of the men in charge, the military (can't speak for any branch other than the army but i have a hunch) is about as competent at serving our country as the busboy at applebees. it's embarrassing to put on the uniform. i know a guy who died sweeping a roof (yes with a broom, not like checking for mines or something cool) because a colonel told him to "dress it up" in the middle of an area that gets sniper fire on a regular basis. so don't take this the wrong way. thanks but no thanks.

At 7/15/09 03:40 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: Clearly the military is not made of people just like you.

Yeah, I don't go around killing babies and invade backward ass countries out in the desert.

If you want to tell the politician to go fuck themselves your only choice is to get out or shut your mouth. You truly have no understanding of how the military works.

Sorry that no one in the Military has a spine, that or they all enjoy invading countries and killing people.

But then again, you seemingly don't care how the military works or why it exists, or why it is the way it is.

Yeah, it exists to protect the people's rights and freedoms, not invade backass countries in the desert.

The power of government lies with a few select people.

WRONG MOTHERFUCKER. The people in Washington only have power if we let them have power. A democracy is ran BY the people, FOR the people. Too many today think that the government owns them and that the government has power over the people while it is the people who give the government power.

If enough people in the military didn't agree with what they were going (which I am sure is right, look at the wars approval rating) and they just got up and left, what can the Government do? They going to get rid of the majority of their fighting force? I am sorry that none of them stand up for what they want, and just sit around mindlessly listening to big brother.

Go read 1984, people give the government power, not the other way around.

At 7/15/09 03:44 AM, michelinman wrote: as far as the leadership quality, the way they run things, and what the priorites are of the men in charge, the military (can't speak for any branch other than the army but i have a hunch) is about as competent at serving our country as the busboy at applebees. it's embarrassing to put on the uniform. i know a guy who died sweeping a roof (yes with a broom, not like checking for mines or something cool) because a colonel told him to "dress it up" in the middle of an area that gets sniper fire on a regular basis. so don't take this the wrong way. thanks but no thanks.

ROFL I'll just say this: I'm glad to be in the Marine Corps.

But you know the thing is the quality of people that are in the military isn't something that's really controlled, so you'll always get one idiot or two to give the whole group a bad name. Don't put everyone in the same pot, you know what I mean?
Most of us aren't that bad.

At 7/15/09 03:44 AM, michelinman wrote: as far as the leadership quality, the way they run things, and what the priorites are of the men in charge, the military (can't speak for any branch other than the army but i have a hunch) is about as competent at serving our country as the busboy at applebees. it's embarrassing to put on the uniform. i know a guy who died sweeping a roof (yes with a broom, not like checking for mines or something cool) because a colonel told him to "dress it up" in the middle of an area that gets sniper fire on a regular basis. so don't take this the wrong way. thanks but no thanks.

Don't worry about it, I don't take any offense. I don't feel offended, and it would look really dumb if I flipped out because of what you said.

Awful stuff about that guy who died sweeping a roof. It sounds hard to believe, but, even though I have not personally ever served in the armed forces, I do know that some stupid things, strange things, and terrible things happen to you guys, so, I believe you when you say it.

At 7/15/09 03:20 AM, Presidentjlh wrote:
Agreed, 100%. I hate it when people say stupid shit like that. It's sick and wrong. I don't care if you think the war is evil, the troops and officers are good men and women, they need our support.

I'm not lumping all soldiers in one category, and saying they're all evil baby killers. I understand that plenty of people have different reasons for joining the military, and only many mean to do what is deamed "good" by the general public. Some may join the military due to lack of other career choices, or belief that they're "serving their country", but that phrase alone is so loaded, it's meaningless. Some people join the military cause well...they want to kill people.
I just view the military as an apparatus of the state, and thus serving the state's interests, and not the interest of the people. Additionally, the military is the driving force of American imperialism.
Believe it or not, support is more than just saying "I support -insert group-".
Support them where they deserve it, that is, when they disobey their orders.

At 7/15/09 03:48 AM, He-Who-Never-Was wrote:
Yeah, I don't go around killing babies and invade backward ass countries out in the desert.

Sorry, I forgot to mention I kill women and rape them too.

Sorry that no one in the Military has a spine, that or they all enjoy invading countries and killing people.

That's what I joined for. Killing people. Did you infer anything else? Am I suppose to have any other goals by being in the military??

Yeah, it exists to protect the people's rights and freedoms, not invade backass countries in the desert.

Too bad we did go invade that back ass country huh. I guess it didn't exist to do that...

WRONG MOTHERFUCKER. The people in Washington only have power if we let them have power. A democracy is ran BY the people, FOR the people. Too many today think that the government owns them and that the government has power over the people while it is the people who give the government power.

The day that you become president you can prove me wrong. The day that anyone in Washington or that runs the country listens to what you have to say you can prove me wrong.
The only power you have is to choose between two people every so often years for various offices.
Not that these people have paid their fair amount of money and sucked enough cocks to rival the smallest 100 countries in the world.

If enough people in the military didn't agree with what they were going (which I am sure is right, look at the wars approval rating) and they just got up and left, what can the Government do? They going to get rid of the majority of their fighting force? I am sorry that none of them stand up for what they want, and just sit around mindlessly listening to big brother.

Like I said, I love killing babies, why would I disagree with what big brother says?

Go read 1984, people give the government power, not the other way around.

Want to tell me why there are still totalitarian governments in this world?

There's plenty of better books for me to read.

I'll go read how to cook babies.

At 7/15/09 03:48 AM, He-Who-Never-Was wrote:

i was trying to ignore you, but this post was filled with far too much douchebaggery for me to let it slide.

If enough people in the military didn't agree with what they were going (which I am sure is right, look at the wars approval rating) and they just got up and left, what can the Government do?

i suppose there are two ways possible for us to "go about this."
1. rise together and tell the government we won't fight anymore - who's supposed to start this revolution? nobody is going to up and decide hey, i want to stand up and try and organize a mutiny, as it is treason which can be punishable by death, and if it got as far as you think it's supposed to, i'm sure it would.
2. just leave by yourself - most of the people in the army are ages 18-22. this means we've got a lot of life to live after we get out of the army. going awol (absent without leave) completely fucks your credit, and makes you pretty much as undesirable to hire as a murderer, and that's besides the fact that you're a fugitive on the run. are you willing to live the rest of your life like that for your beliefs mister finger pointer?

They going to get rid of the majority of their fighting force?

no, they'll take our money, lock you down on post, make you to feel like an outcast and eventually put you in prison. FEDERAL POUND ME IN THE ASS PRISON.

I am sorry that none of them stand up for what they want, and just sit around mindlessly listening to big brother.

you don't know a fucking thing about what we think. even the dudes that agree with the war want out of iraq and afghanistan because you get mortared in an open field, and we aren't allowed to return fire for fear of hitting an innocent. there are so many restrictions on what we're allowed to do over there that it's pretty much unfightable. it isn't a matter of standing up for what you want, it's a matter of being a dumbass who signed a contract, and waiting for it to expire.

Go read 1984, people give the government power, not the other way around.

look i'm sure you feel like a fucking genius because you've read george orwell books and you're in a political class at school or whatever, but the fact of the matter is unless you're in these theatres of war, you have NO fucking clue what you're talking about as far as who is and who isn't killing babies, and unless you're in the military, you have NO fucking right to make moral judgements about people because they don't live out some fantasy you have put in your head from watching too many che guevarra documentaries. and if you REALLY cared about the wars, you'd go talk to the people in charge about it instead of some random dudes on the bbs in your parents basement because i promise you 110% that those mother fuckers CONTROL US. grow up. seriously. fucking wannabe hippy.

At 7/15/09 03:50 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: ROFL I'll just say this: I'm glad to be in the Marine Corps.

But you know the thing is the quality of people that are in the military isn't something that's really controlled, so you'll always get one idiot or two to give the whole group a bad name. Don't put everyone in the same pot, you know what I mean?
Most of us aren't that bad.

i've been in the army for almost 3 years. like i said, i can't speak for the marine core, but the army? it isn't one or two idiots getting through. it's taking people and turning into beer bellied, alcoholic, assholes who hate their lives and they think the only way it'll get better is to move up the rank structure. it's brainwashing of sorts. the one or two that get through are people like me, who look at the army from a 3rd person view and go what the fuck? you guys are complete dumbasses! and get out like everyone should do. i'm not making a generalization, i'm posting my observations over the past 3 years of dealing with every type of person in the army every day. i'm not just some guy here. :)

My dad was a sniper in the Serbian armeh dint do anything tough xD

I remember when Dick Cheney said a new Pearl Harbour would be needed to bring in 2 simultaneous theatre wars, and then 9/11 happened a year later. Haha. You're run by criminals. Quit the army, now.

At 7/15/09 06:00 AM, Mr-Money wrote: Quit the army, now.

You can't really "quit" the military. You signed your contract and they're pretty damn determined to get the most out of you.

I got out of the marine corps about a month ago. Hated it. Did two tours in iraq. Hated them too.

At 7/15/09 06:11 AM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote: I got out of the marine corps about a month ago. Hated it. Did two tours in iraq. Hated them too.

congratulations man. i should be getting out of the army here in a couple months. can't wait.