Don't Buy E-mu Products!

[Chronamut]

I just bought a midi to usb convertor yesterday , installed it - it didnt work - allright - vista 64 bit.. understandable.

However, as I was reading the license agreement (yes since I bought it i felt I had the right to comb through it) something at the bottom caught my eye.

"the cables of this product contain chemicals which have been known to be cancerous and cause birth defects, as well as other reproductive problems - it is strongly advised you wash your hands immediately after handling this product"

WHAT THE FUCK.

not only is this ILLEGAL, I was also rubbing my beard at the time and my fucking FACE WONT STOP ITCHING NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I WASH IT!

and to top it all off- a disclaimer like that should CLEARLY be on the actual package - NOT tucked away in a license agreement AFTER every single person that uses the product handles it and is in contact with these chemicals - I mean sure most people would send it back but who knows maybe some people would use rubber gloves or something.

im loathe to even pull the fucking thing out of my usb port now..to be completely honest - I am seriously considering filing a lawsuit and suing E-MU.

in other words, if any of my children have any defects or if I die of cancer - this fucking company is directly responsible. Congrats E-MU - you have possibly destroyed yet another life.

[TMM43]

That's fucked up dude. Is E-mu an American based product or from another country. If it's from another country, their laws maybe different than that of the US or Canada. So having that little disclaimer tucked away might be perfectly OK.

Make sure you check to see where the product is from and what the laws are there...

[Chronamut]

At 7/14/09 09:13 AM, TMM43 wrote: That's fucked up dude. Is E-mu an American based product or from another country. If it's from another country, their laws maybe different than that of the US or Canada. So having that little disclaimer tucked away might be perfectly OK.

Make sure you check to see where the product is from and what the laws are there...

its from fucking japan apparently - and im pretty sure they dont have laws that promote cancerous products.

thats like writing a peanut disclaimer on a fucking granola bar surface instead of on the packaging.

[jarrydn]

E-Mu used to be rad :(

[pr0ded]

lots of cables contain lead etc, one keybaord i hadm had a warning label

[Mich]

Shit. I happen to remember that chim has been using an e-mu soundcard for ages.
*links chim to thread*

also, don't you guys find it funny that you never see chim around here, yet everyone on the AF seems to know him.

[Sh0ckFyre]

You can sue. A product causing a major medical problem that endangers your life is grounds for major legal action.

[chimairek]

At 7/14/09 08:52 AM, Chronamut wrote: "the cables of this product contain chemicals which have been known to be cancerous and cause birth defects, as well as other reproductive problems - it is strongly advised you wash your hands immediately after handling this product"

WHAT THE FUCK.

This is a standard warning label, a lot of cables contain lead and I think you're just overreacting. If that thing was really dangerous, you wouldn't be able to BUY it,so obviously it's not ILLEGAL.
Also, I haven't noticed anything like that in my E-MU 0404 license agreement.

[pr0ded]

its only standard in states that require it

[sorohanro]

You should sue every company that produce or use plastic then, or light bulbs(those new "economic, environemental friendly contain mercury)... and so on...

[pr0ded]

those new "economic, environemental friendly contain mercury)... and so on...

all fluorescents do, its even in sea food, i think theres more in can of tuna than a lightbulb, different type of mercury though

[loansindi]

Almost every product has a label like that in california.

The testing process for stuff like that is to pump a lab rat full of a given chemical until it gets cancer. if it gets cancer, the product gets a label.

[Nav]

At 7/14/09 11:28 AM, chimairek wrote: This is a standard warning label, a lot of cables contain lead and I think you're just overreacting. If that thing was really dangerous, you wouldn't be able to BUY it,so obviously it's not ILLEGAL.
Also, I haven't noticed anything like that in my E-MU 0404 license agreement.

Yep. Same here with my 1212m... No such warning.

[joshhunsaker]

At 7/14/09 08:52 AM, Chronamut wrote: "the cables of this product contain chemicals which have been known to be cancerous and cause birth defects, as well as other reproductive problems - it is strongly advised you wash your hands immediately after handling this product"

WHAT THE FUCK.

Dude, calm down for a second. There is one important factor here you haven't realized (I'm sorry to have to bring this to your attention as well...) Which is that every single cable and wire you have ever handled in your life with the exception of ones explicitly displaying ROHS symbols (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) on the cable or wire itself has a notable amount of lead likely leftover from the manufacturing process.

Read: every single copper/silver/composite cable you have ever handled whether it be speaker wire to computer ide cables to the plug you hook into the back of your modem delivering direct current from a wall-wort transformer has been made with lead as part of manufacturing process unless it shows a ROHS symbol (which even then, it is still there, just not as much so).

EMU has chosen something which is relatively unwise (IMO) which is to actually notify customers of this on the box along with an explanation of it's implication (cancer). Most manufactures will list somewhere on the printed advert/box/manual that their cable/whatever was manufactured with lead in the process and is not ROHS compliant or something to that effect and go no further. Even most plastics have trace amounts of lead so don't feel that you've gone and found some manufacturing anomaly. It is also not illegal because the amount of lead present in the product (especially for a well-known company like EMU/Creative) is obviously going to be measured and gauged to be within regulations set by the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission), so there is really nothing you can even do about it except to maybe lobby for tighter controls on the level present in such materials.

[joshhunsaker]

Also lead exposure does not typically cause itching as a side effect.

[loansindi]

At 7/14/09 12:11 PM, joshhunsaker wrote: Also lead exposure does not typically cause itching as a side effect.

Nope.

That's yer brainparts chron.

[joshhunsaker]

At 7/14/09 12:34 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 7/14/09 12:11 PM, joshhunsaker wrote: Also lead exposure does not typically cause itching as a side effect.

Nope.

That's yer brainparts chron.

It can be also an allergic reaction to the fresh plastic dialectic which also may have trace chemicals present from processing (not lead).

[wyldfyre1]

"the cables of this product contain chemicals which have been known to be cancerous and cause birth defects, as well as other reproductive problems - it is strongly advised you wash your hands immediately after handling this product"

Yeah, thats just fucked up.

[pr0ded]

whats fked is you people cant seem to read through topics

[Back-From-Purgatory]

You guys do know that every human on the planet is BORN with cancer, right? Nothing GIVES you cancer, some things (And by that I mean just about everything) just "activate" it.

About 90% of the things you touch on a daily basis can "give" you cancer. Society is just so fucked up right now, that if someone spills coffee in their lap, they'll be surprised it's hot.
Or better yet, people are surprised eating fast food every day makes you fat.

That's why there is fine print, so stupid people can't sue legit companies because the stupid people didn't have any common sense.

No offense, obviously this is a little different, I wouldn't have guessed midi cables could cause cancer either, but on the other hand, I'm not surprised.... Cause so can ice cream.

[Nav]

At 7/14/09 04:21 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: You guys do know that every human on the planet is BORN with cancer, right? Nothing GIVES you cancer, some things (And by that I mean just about everything) just "activate" it.

That's a huge lie. Cancer is caused by a mutation within one of your cells, and certain substances can increase the amount of mutations that occur, therefore increasing your risk of cancer. Radioactive materials are the main group of substances that do this. Lead is probably another.

[Khuskan]

Well your itching face is placebo. You're imagining it.

I imagine the carcinogenic chemical to be lead, which would make sense. I'm not sure about the legality of lead in electronics in the States, but in the UK it is illegal to manufacture or import lead-containing electronic materials.

[Chronamut]

I dunmno - and thanks guys for the enlightenment - I think anyone freaks when they see the word "cancerous" in the disclaimer..

[Hades]

At 7/14/09 04:21 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: You guys do know that every human on the planet is BORN with cancer, right? Nothing GIVES you cancer, some things (And by that I mean just about everything) just "activate" it.

To quote the late George Carlin: "Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time.".

Basically, everything we do today has the potential of giving us cancer. Hell, if we were so damn purist, we'd all be walking around with oxygen bottles. Trust me, you inhale more cancerous substances daily than you could ever be exposed to from a cable. Unless, of course, you decide it's a nice chewing toy.

The bottom line is: don't be a paranoid hypochondriac. Simply accept the fact that everything in the world is conspiring to give you cancer.

Whoops, that didn't come out right... :P

Besides, washing your hands after doing pretty much anything is always a good idea. Just like brushing your teeth up and down, and looking left and right before you cross the road. JUS' LIKE MAH MOMMA ALWAYS TOLD ME.

[pr0ded]

yep wash them, so your immune system has nothing to practice with, another carlin quote!

[pr0ded]

and there cells in your hands which mutagens will interact with, so washing your hands is never safe, tobacco (which is radioactive)is carcinogenic regardless if its combusted , cannabis is only when burned

[FlamingFirebolt]

Oh snap!
Are midi keyboards safe? :(

[architecture]

As a long time user of Emu, all I can say is, WTF.

I have used alot of Emu Equipment, having onced owned a SP12, for those who dont know what that is, one of the best sounding 12 bit samplers ever made.

I believe Emu is an american based company, as they have their origins in this country, or maybe that was Ensoniq, id research more if it didnt take me 2 minutes to open this thread, damn internet.

[wyldfyre1]

At 7/14/09 04:59 PM, Chronamut wrote: I dunmno - and thanks guys for the enlightenment - I think anyone freaks when they see the word "cancerous" in the disclaimer..

Seems like everythings cancerous these days eh? I still say that warning label is freaking insane. LOL.