Judging People

[bdash1990]

You lib's want everyone to say that all cultures are good, no matter what they do to their people.

the muslims

and you tell people that judging people is wrong.
EVERYONE JUDGES. It is human nature to judge.

Why do you want people to disregard their own nature?

because you seek to control every aspect of our lives.

[fatape]

im liberal , and I hate islamic culture .

your theory has now been destroyed.

[bdash1990]

At 7/14/09 06:01 AM, fatape wrote: im liberal , and I hate islamic culture .

your theory has now been destroyed.

I didn't say ALL lib's

[Jon-86]

At 7/14/09 05:18 AM, bdash1990 wrote: You lib's want everyone to say that all cultures are good, no matter what they do to their people.

the muslims

and you tell people that judging people is wrong.
EVERYONE JUDGES. It is human nature to judge.

Why do you want people to disregard their own nature?

because you seek to control every aspect of our lives.

Not being from the United Sates can you give me an example o what your talking about?

[bdash1990]

We are encouraged by the liberals (not all) to not judge.
Example such as thinking that certain people are weird or wrong
such as these "people"
or to say that the muslims who oppress and abuse their women are wrong to do so.

They want us to think that everyone has their own culture and that you can't say anything about it because that would be mean, racist, sexist or against homosexuality and others.

[Jon-86]

At 7/14/09 06:32 AM, bdash1990 wrote: They want us to think that everyone has their own culture and that you can't say anything about it because that would be mean, racist, sexist or against homosexuality and others.

In all honesty it would depend on what you said and why you said it. If you disagree with something you have every right to voice your concerns. Organisations along the lines of the one you linked to don't really make sense. My guess is their aims are good. To try and tackle discrimination in the broadest sense but the way their are going about it is not effective.

Would you say thats about right?

[bdash1990]

At 7/14/09 07:11 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

Would you say thats about right?

Well, sure they want to end discrimination and that's fine, but...

They are hypocritical. they want everyone to be treated exactly the same AND want their differences to be included. such as women wanting to be treated like men. women don't want to be treated like men, they wanted to be treated like women. If a man treats a woman like a man he gets sent to "sensitivity training."

Also Kwanzaa. As you can see it was created by a college professor in 1966. and contrary to popular belief it is not celebrated in Africa. It is not a holiday.

The liberals try to make everyone happy (which is a noble goal, to be sure), but it is IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy.

[Jon-86]

So you have identified the obvious flaw in their ideology! Point this out to them next time you see one. People are entitled to their point of view even if it is flawed and goes against the norm and you are entitled to yours. Using examples such as the ones posted are usefull and add more weight to your argument.

If it really annoys you so much their is nothing stopping you from simply getting your facts together and telling anyone who will listen to you, if your goal is to discredit organisations like this then go for it!

[Elfer]

At 7/14/09 06:32 AM, bdash1990 wrote: Example such as thinking that certain people are weird or wrong
such as these "people"

You picked a charity nonprofit? That's a pretty weak example for trying to pick out the scum of the earth.

or to say that the muslims who oppress and abuse their women are wrong to do so.

Can you find any liberals that are in favour of this? No vague answers, I'd like someone specific.

[RubberTrucky]

I think you can judge people, but you should treat people with respect, regardless of your judgement.
You may feel that Catherine chick is a big slut. But you should not say to her
"Get out of my face, you stupid whore." or treat her like filth in other ways because she's a slut.

[K-RadPie]

This thread is retarded. I seriously doubt that most of "You lib's" think that all cultures are good and no one should ever be judged.

[KidneyThief]

There is a difference between judging and intolerance. It is ok to disagree with someones beliefs, but it is not ok to condemn them simply for believing.

[OddlyPoetic]

At 7/14/09 06:32 AM, bdash1990 wrote:

They want us to think that everyone has their own culture and that you can't say anything about it because that would be mean, racist, sexist or against homosexuality and others.

It seems like this entire thing is nothing but a thinly disguised attack on homosexuality and Muslim.
You can judge them sure, but about this they; they punch you in the face for disrespecting their culture and vice-versa. Liberals are against unreasonable judgement. Like you do with Muslims. You say their entire culture is bad. Here i'm going to judge you basesd that.

I'm going to call you ignorant, because it seems to me that the only exposure you've had are the ones who give it a bad name. So now you think their all bad people. But that doesn't quite make alot of sense does it? You seem to ignore the fact their terrorist exist other places as well.

Besides, you can never call these terrorists bigot savages unless you admit that you're own founding fathers were also hypocrites and racists. You can never call these people brutes who glorifi violence unless you admit that your entire culture is just as fixated and in love with violence as them.

The Muslim people are just that, people. As for LGBT, tell me something, what gives you anyright to tell another human that they cannot be gay or trans?

[CBP]

At 7/14/09 05:18 AM, bdash1990 wrote: You lib's want everyone to say that all cultures are good, no matter what they do to their people.

the muslims

Well seeing as Muslims are the ones who are mostly being mistreated in Muslim countries, that argument is flawed from the start. Also, liberals do not say that all cultures are good, just that they deserve to be treated with common human decency.

and you tell people that judging people is wrong.
EVERYONE JUDGES. It is human nature to judge.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are Christian. Remember this: Matthew 7:1-3 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." We do not say that it is wrong to judge, just that the way the vast majority of Conservatives judge is hypocritical.

Why do you want people to disregard their own nature?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? You, as a Conservative, identify politically with a group of people that seeks sexual repression of teenagers and homosexuals and will not budge on either of those issues.

because you seek to control every aspect of our lives.

No, we are actually on the side of personal freedom, for example: gay marriage, pro-choice, etc.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/14/09 07:32 AM, bdash1990 wrote: Also Kwanzaa. As you can see it was created by a college professor in 1966. and contrary to popular belief it is not celebrated in Africa. It is not a holiday.

how is it not a holiday?

[drDAK]

At 7/14/09 05:18 AM, bdash1990 wrote: You lib's want everyone to say that all cultures are good, no matter what they do to their people.

the muslims

No, we want to promote tolerance.

and you tell people that judging people is wrong.
EVERYONE JUDGES. It is human nature to judge.

Just because everyone does it does not make it a reasonable action.

Why do you want people to disregard their own nature?

because you seek to control every aspect of our lives.

On the contrary, Liberalism is about "do what you please, so long as you hurt no one". If "hurting" others in any sort of fashion is your nature then you must stop that.

At 7/14/09 06:01 AM, fatape wrote: im liberal , and I hate islamic culture .

your theory has now been destroyed.

You are really not helping promote intelligence in this forum.

[ijack2lolicon]

At 7/14/09 06:04 AM, bdash1990 wrote:

At 7/14/09 06:01 AM, fatape wrote: im liberal , and I hate islamic culture .

your theory has now been destroyed.

I didn't say ALL lib's

But you did say "you libs" implying that you were addressing ALL libs.
Stupid faggot.

[killxp]

Sorry, could we just let this thread die? After this, no more posts please. I am sure that "lib's" mean well and are just trying to promote tolerance. Also, I guess that there is nothing wrong with judging people because, as stated, it is human nature. We do it and we can't help it. I am sure "lib's" understand this and don't literally mean you shouldn't judge but that what you think of someone should not affect how you behave in front of them. Everyone should be treated with respect, which is what I am trying to do here. With all due respect, this thread is fairly degrading to this forum. Better served in the General forum. Please do not honor it anymore life. Please. Thank you. Late.

[nehemiah135]

because most lib's think America is the smelting pot of religion's and what they don't realize is that America was founded on christian principles. they left England because of christian prosecution. so lib's want to treat Muslims kindly because of the first amendment. not that i don't like the constitution. the constitution is what makes America great but people are taking that amendment to far now saying that we have to embrace it when they made that probably meant that you couldn't religiously prosecute someone for there beliefs. but hey who am i to speak for the founding fathers.

[OddlyPoetic]

At 7/16/09 05:57 AM, nehemiah135 wrote: because most lib's think America is the smelting pot of religion's and what they don't realize is that America was founded on christian principles. they left England because of christian prosecution.

Contradiction? Anyway, just how was the country founded on Christian Principles? People always say they say this, but they don't give us any evidence.

so lib's want to treat Muslims kindly because of the first amendment. not that i don't like the constitution. the constitution is what makes America great but people are taking that amendment to far now saying that we have to embrace it when they made that probably meant that you couldn't religiously prosecute someone for there beliefs. but hey who am i to speak for the founding fathers.

Muslims are just as much American citizens as you or me. (Well, the ones that live in the United States are. The American Media has demonized the image of the contemporary Muslims. And its fucking disgusting. The Founding Fathers were great men, but they were also hypocrites and racists.

[SouthAsian]

Your stereotyping an entire culture which only spreads more incorrect lies and opinions.First and the Muslims created one of the most sophisticated and influential human civilizations in history.The Islamic cultures have endowed not only Western Civilization but Civilization in general with many intellectual and scientific breakthroughs and inventions. The Islamic cultures that were at their peak in the Middle Ages were making unrivaled discoveries in the Arts, Mathematics, Science, Astronomy, Medicine, Literature, and much more. Scholars like Avicenna,Geber, or Ibn Kaldun greatly transformed many new ideas in differing fields of study.

At this time when Christian Europe was stagnating in religious extremism, you had great centers of Muslim thought and knowledge flourishing in Baghdad, Alexandria, Cordova, Andalusia. When the Crusaders arrived in The Holy Land they took back all the information learned from the Muslims and introduced it to Europe. This is what started trade between the two cultures. So just because there are a fringe minority of Muslims committing terrorist acts doesn't warrant the accusation of all Muslims or Arabs or Middle Eastern as being terrorists.