Space, the final frontier. End war.

[jAk88]

What would happen if a very strong leader went in front of the UN and said, war is fucked up, we need to stop it and we need to have a goal to replace war, conflict, poverty and starvation.

What should that goal be?

I think all the micro causes that we strive for, like helping the people in a country, or ending war in a given area is like trying to micromanage the planet. But it doesn't bring us together except in baby steps.

What would happen if we set a goal of the conquest of space and make that a planet wide goal, not one based on nationalism but rather human pride? Technology could be expanded to area's that need jobs, poverty and starvation brought under control through jobs instead of handouts, wars and conflicts could become rare instead of common, all because goals were set that makes the human race whole, instead of fragmented.

Or are we a few centuries from that, if ever?

How much longer can we go on before we blow ourselves up to smithereens?

One day, I believe, someone or some country is going to get pissed off enough that that will happen and therefore it is in our best interest to find goals of inclusion. Space, I believe is the one goal that can tie us all together because the results are easy to see, easy to believe in and easy to talk about. Whereas elimination of all the ills of humanity can only be done trough micromanagement which I think is a band aid approach in many instances. Plus, I think the way we are doing it now, in many instances creates more disparity, not more hope.

Peace
jAk

[KidneyThief]

A common goal may very well be what we all need. However it would appear that human nature is to destroy rather then build. The problem here is that no nation will set down it's pride nor its' ideals for this common purpose, no matter how brilliant the results.

[jAk88]

That is why I don't think it could work right now but who knows? All it would take is the right people with solid goals in mind. China has moved from being a semi-military might to an economic powerhouse with less focus on the military. Russia is focusing on it's economy as well. The US is of course an aggressive nation but I think with the right leaders in charge we could see some sort of progress towards this goal.

[animehater]

Indeed, world peace through space exploration, then all we'll have to worry about is separatist conflicts from the space colonies.

[TheReno]

Yeah this falls into the hippie poker game catagory. Dont know what that is? Its an idea every body gets once in their life, usually in the 6th grade, where we stop war and have the leaders play a game of cards to decided who wins.

Anywho this will never happen because it would require us to share technology with others, and we like being more advanced then most. That and you never know what they will do with that tech once they get it. But it was a good effort :(

[Cordyceps]

There's a reason we're divided into countries. Countries are places that agree on similar laws. It is highly more likely that the Earth will come together as a whole through conquest, rather than through unity and agreement.

While it would be nice for us to just come together and work on a project, we will always do so as seperate peoples. Venturing into space would not help bring us together, but rather, it would set us apart. With a seemingly infinite amount of space, we will be indefinitely divided again, and again. We could only hope that one day, we will agree on a government, and form an alliance.

Overall, it would be nice if we could get along.

[poxpower]

At 7/13/09 11:53 AM, jAk88 wrote:

What should that goal be?

Turning humans into robots.
Fuck space. Our number 1 priority RIGHT NOW should be to enhance humans with technology through brain implants, artificial limbs, cloning, stem cells. Whatever works.

How much longer can we go on before we blow ourselves up to smithereens?

Pretty long.

Space, I believe is the one goal that can tie us all together because the results are easy to see, easy to believe in and easy to talk about.

That makes no sense.

[Elfer]

Space is WAY TOO MOTHERFUCKING BIG.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/13/09 06:37 PM, poxpower wrote: Turning humans into robots.
Fuck space. Our number 1 priority RIGHT NOW should be to enhance humans with technology through brain implants, artificial limbs, cloning, stem cells. Whatever works.

but then we risk slowly losing what makes us human! *le gasp!*
...but on the other hand it might be able to provide me the reflexes and strength needed to beat an elephant to death with its on tusks while remotely demolishing Deep Blue at virtual Xtreme-chess; suck it you filthy pachyderms and/or computer programs.

[poxpower]

At 7/13/09 07:16 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

but then we risk slowly losing what makes us human! *le gasp!*

As opposed to dying?
Haha
I know what I'd pick.

[YuanYan]

When the hell are we going back to the moon? That's what I want to know. We made this huge fuss about going, went, and haven't gone back. We can still make the robot people, then use them to colonize the moon.

[digitalboola]

Exactly.

Environmentalism is overrated. Space and transhumanism are where it's at.

[ASKDodge]

Strangely enough, it seems that historically it is conflict that divides and then unifies humanity. The only way to truly unify people is through conflict with a greater enemy (i.e. NATO and the EU against the Warsaw Pact Nations and communism). Even the UN was formed on the backbone of the League of Nations (Was originally formed after the first world war to prevent further European conflict. It failed).

Therefore, it can be assumed that before humanity can really move on at a unified global level, there needs to be another large conflict against a "great enemy" (China maybe, but this is all hypothetical). Then, after we've destroyed the world (Yet again...) we can move on globally.

After all, why build on old foundations when it's easier to tear them down and start again.

[nehemiah135]

but it is going to be almost impossible to cut out war because other countries do something that would start a war based on there religion, political thought, etc. and what are we supposed to do? just sit around and wait for more 9/11's? thats why we have war because everyone has free will and everyone has there own opinion. if everyone had the same religion, same political stance, same everything then we would not have war but we are humans. so were going to bicker and fight for an eternity i believe.