Hi All,
Like many of you I've been a long time contributor to the newgrounds and the audio forum here (since 2003 actually). The atmosphere on here is great but I'm looking to start development on a new social networking site dedicated solely to sharing and reviewing music. My second goal is to create free podcast / radio shows with user music and develop a voting system with points and weighting.
If you're a PHP coder or web designer and passionate about Music or really enjoy the audio portal but would like to see something more dedicated with a very focused community I'd love to speak with you.
I myself have been a prof web designer for years and have worked with PHP/Databses for very long as well. I'm hoping to build a simple system to start based on a framework such as codeigniter and build up. If you think you would want to contribute to this project please give me a PM - I'd be psyched to gain some partners.
It would be ad supported after initial creation and funds would be split up. Unfortunately I don't have the capital to hire a dev team atm. I can do the coding or the designing but not both - just a bit too much work for a single person. :)
Sorry I should preface this by saying:
I have worked on sites like this in the past on a much larger scale and there is definitely profit in this if it is done right. I can show you a case study I helped develop which is turning an insane profit atm (which i am no part owner of unfortunately :( ). If you enjoy practicing your coding / design and want to put your name on something beneficial to startup artists this is definitely a great project for you.
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pay is $1000/h
i expect one loop that requests a string and returns the string with the words "is the best" concatenated onto it.
At 7/13/09 04:42 AM, ElBonzi wrote: pay is $1000/h
i expect one loop that requests a string and returns the string with the words "is the best" concatenated onto it.
i'm sorry $1000/h dude there is no way in hell you would be able to afford $1000/h maybe $30 max but no way in hell $1000
At 7/13/09 04:42 AM, ElBonzi wrote: pay is $1000/h
i expect one loop that requests a string and returns the string with the words "is the best" concatenated onto it.
You think anyone is going to work with you if you're to immature to address the rules you've not adhered to? Look, we get thousands - not an exaggeration - of these topics every year, "I have an amazing idea, join and you can have 50% of ad revenue!" and they never go ahead, they're people without a solid idea of how it works.
Ad revenue is extremely volatile, if you can manage to make over $100/month from ad revenue you're doing very well, nobody will work for you in a professional capacity under the agreement that they get some ad revenue because that is not guaranteed.
If you have so much faith in this project, stick up some of your own money as proof and pay them percentage up front, I would never - as a developer - agree to work for someone when they said "oh it's an awesome idea, it's a social networking site about music and you can have the ad revenue!" because:
1. That idea is far from unique, where's your USP?
2. If you have faith in the project, why aren't you willing to pay upfront?
Sign me up, what percentage of £0.00 am I getting?
You're a twat, I'd just written a reponse to your private message but you've blocked me, why? I'll post it here instead, maybe you'll be less of a dick and respond to my legitimate points.
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At 7/13/09 5:18 AM, ElBonzi wrote: It's funny how you reject the idea of communal development in an age of open source software development.
I'm far from rejecting it, I personally work on projects with others for no direct pay because I enjoy working.
It's also very rude to assume that someone has no idea what theyre talking about. I've been a professional LAMP developer for 4 years and i guarantee that I as a full time developer I know more about what I'm talking about than a 17 year old self proclaimed freelancer.
Assume? Maybe so, but I assumed based upon the information you provided, I'm not trying to be a complete dick but I am trying to make you understand that we get these sorts of posts everyday from many different people, the majority are 13 year olds claiming that they have an amazing idea and the funds to back it up and have run loads of successful sites before.
I can claim that I made a social networking site with 100,000 members, that doesn't make a true. Whether or not you're telling the truth about your previous experience, how can we believe it? Newgrounds is full of teenagers with "over active imaginations" who make up things to sound better, so when someone comes along and tells us that they have an amazing idea and have loads of experience should we believe them without evidence?
In regards to the lame insult, since when has being a freelancer not been self proclaimed? I build websites for other people for money fulltime, I don't work with a company, I work with individuals, that makes me a freelancer, self proclaimed or not.
I'll be happy to work with the three developers I received responses from in enjoying the creative process that is developing a social networking site. You should learn that being a money grubbing teenager won't get you far in the technology business.
I'm not a money grubbing teenager, haha, I would happily work for free on a project I liked the look of if I could trust the other party, you may well be very trust worthy but you provided no evidence of this. I personally run quite a few websites for no money whatsoever, infact I lose money from them. I'm far from "money grubbing".
I don't mean to insult you or come across as if I'm talking down to you, but you provided no evidence of your claims and without this should we all just assume you're telling the truth? I value my time, I don't want to waste it on someone without half a clue about what they're doing and as far as I can tell you haven't proven you're anything but that.
At 7/13/09 05:43 AM, citricsquid wrote: I'll be happy to work with the three developers I received responses from
I am more than a little curious to know who these people are.
I like how he doesn't reply anymore.
At 7/13/09 08:34 AM, citricsquid wrote: also he seems to be a twat here.
HaHa just read through that, looking at the old names that appear in the quotes :D
At 7/13/09 04:42 AM, ElBonzi wrote: pay is $1000/h
No way.
If you were in any way serious about that how come that was never mentioned in the original post, hmm?
At 7/13/09 09:54 AM, Relish wrote: If you were in any way serious about that how come that was never mentioned in the original post, hmm?
He was taking the piss, can't you see that? o.0
At 7/13/09 09:58 AM, citricsquid wrote:At 7/13/09 09:54 AM, Relish wrote: If you were in any way serious about that how come that was never mentioned in the original post, hmm?He was taking the piss, can't you see that? o.0
i realised that the second i saw the 3 letters PHP, and i went to his profile and to his site AND IT DOESNT EVEN EXIST XD, even if you were a coder ElBonzi you should have a site THAT EXISTS with your portfolio of work to see if its even worth thinking about the job
it annoys me when people assume that potential ad revenue will be good pay value for the man (or woman!) doing the work. it's like they don't realise no one wants to waste their time on a hard working job only for it to be scrapped instantaniously. THAT's why a majority of people don't work for revenue.
but yeah, good job citricsquid, you certainly told him
hello
I don't understand why you're all being such jerks to someone who's trying to start a project.
He isn't forcing you to reply :P
At 7/14/09 05:26 PM, RyanPridgeon wrote: I don't understand why you're all being such jerks to someone who's trying to start a project.
Since I don't recognise your alias I'm assuming you don't come around these parts often. As Sam said, we get thousands of these posts every year. People coming up with a groundbreaking idea and expecting the programmers to work for free. A 50% share in ad-revenue doesn't mean jack to us. There's every chance that this project isn't going to take off and we'll be left with nothing to show for the hard work we've put in. If he's so confident that the projects going to be a success, then he should put some of his own cash into it upfront. That way we know were going to be getting something out of the time we've put into it.
Add in the fact that this guy was an ass over PM's to several users and you've got your answer.
At 7/13/09 12:46 PM, adam2510 wrote: i realised that the second i saw the 3 letters PHP, and i went to his profile and to his site AND IT DOESNT EVEN EXIST XD, even if you were a coder ElBonzi you should have a site THAT EXISTS with your portfolio of work to see if its even worth thinking about the job
http://orangeflash.divine-serenity.net/
Shut up adam.
http://orangeflash.divine-serenity.net/
Shut up adam.
I was totally going to point that out. Thanks for beating me to it. :D
At 7/15/09 05:07 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote:At 7/14/09 05:26 PM, RyanPridgeon wrote: I don't understand why you're all being such jerks to someone who's trying to start a project.Since I don't recognise your alias I'm assuming you don't come around these parts often. As Sam said, we get thousands of these posts every year. People coming up with a groundbreaking idea and expecting the programmers to work for free. A 50% share in ad-revenue doesn't mean jack to us. There's every chance that this project isn't going to take off and we'll be left with nothing to show for the hard work we've put in. If he's so confident that the projects going to be a success, then he should put some of his own cash into it upfront. That way we know were going to be getting something out of the time we've put into it.
Add in the fact that this guy was an ass over PM's to several users and you've got your answer.
It's amazing that this post has made so many people defensive. Let me just start by saying the point of this project was not the pay but the experience. I enjoy working on projects with other designers and programmers as I feel it adds more to my level experience than repeating the same things I'm good at for clients. If you're looking for a full writeup on the project as well as my resume on this board you're not going to find it. If you want to send me a PM so I can speak with you and get you this information I'd be happy to do so.
Everyone seems to believe that I'm trying to get free work done so I can make a ton of money or something like that. I just want everyone to know I AM investing in the project - I'm investing time which translates to money as well as paying for all of the bandwidth and web space for the project.
I understand that 50% ad revenue doesnt mean jack on a website that has no promise of generating any sort of traffic. But who cares? If you want money then dont send me a PM. If you want to work on something in your free time in a team environment that could turn into something significant (much like the way the site your using to flame on was created) feel free to send me a message.
Thanks.
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