Things happen no matter what

Based on the idea that everything is made up of smaller particles such as atoms which interact with each other to make different properties., I would say that if there were two earths in which everything were exactly identical, they would be in complete sync. Everything would happen at the same time; the exact same thing.

[SolInvictus]

sounds like a free will argument...which has already been done a few times.

[MJOLNIRchief90]

At 7/4/09 06:14 PM, SmartNoob wrote: Based on the idea that everything is made up of smaller particles such as atoms which interact with each other to make different properties., I would say that if there were two earths in which everything were exactly identical, they would be in complete sync. Everything would happen at the same time; the exact same thing.

You are forgetting to take into account that the earth has outside forces acting on it. For Earth and Earth Copy 1 to be in sync, the forces acting upon them must also be in sync. As well as the forces acting on those objects and so on and so on.

[ForkRobotik]

At 7/4/09 06:59 PM, MJOLNIRchief90 wrote:

At 7/4/09 06:14 PM, SmartNoob wrote: Based on the idea that everything is made up of smaller particles such as atoms which interact with each other to make different properties., I would say that if there were two earths in which everything were exactly identical, they would be in complete sync. Everything would happen at the same time; the exact same thing.

You are forgetting to take into account that the earth has outside forces acting on it. For Earth and Earth Copy 1 to be in sync, the forces acting upon them must also be in sync. As well as the forces acting on those objects and so on and so on.

Earth Copy 1 relies on solar/wind and wave power for electricity. They also use hydrogen powered cars, so the only pollution is when campers light their fires in the evening to enjoy marshmallow copy 1's.

I know this cuz i came from there, but in a tragic accident while attending a UN meeting on how to best cooperate with eachother on the up and coming cold fusion reactor we had designed, i accidentally came in contact with some inverted dark matter and woke up on this planet. Please help me, people on this planet are mean. :(

[EKublai]

Yeah also free will is not governed by any agreeable law of physics. Also radioactive decay is random.

[Cordyceps]

It would be pretty close.

It's like if you could send a few photons back a couple seconds in time, do you think they would alter their path at all?

[Tomsan]

At 7/7/09 09:58 PM, Digital-Terror wrote: It would be pretty close.

It's like if you could send a few photons back a couple seconds in time, do you think they would alter their path at all?

Quantum theory says YESZZ....

So no if you would duplicate earth, or easier the whole universe, within no time the two realities would be different. insignificantly different at first but after a few billion years you could probably measure some differences.

[FlyMusik]

The way i see it, science is getting more and more ridiculous. I'm not religious in the least bit, but the way i see it, either we're beginning to understand how the universe works or we're just losing control of our minds and making all sorts of weird theories because we like to pretend like we know what's going on.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/10/09 12:52 PM, FlyMusik wrote: The way i see it, science is getting more and more ridiculous. I'm not religious in the least bit, but the way i see it, either we're beginning to understand how the universe works or we're just losing control of our minds and making all sorts of weird theories because we like to pretend like we know what's going on.

care to elaborate? or would that destroy the illusion that you're an intellectual, which you are trying to create?

[All-American-Badass]

At 7/7/09 04:21 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Earth Copy 1 relies on solar/wind and wave power for electricity. They also use hydrogen powered cars, so the only pollution is when campers light their fires in the evening to enjoy marshmallow copy 1's.

I know this cuz i came from there, but in a tragic accident while attending a UN meeting on how to best cooperate with eachother on the up and coming cold fusion reactor we had designed, i accidentally came in contact with some inverted dark matter and woke up on this planet. Please help me, people on this planet are mean. :(

Now tell me this. How are they getting the hydrogen for these hydrogen powered cars. Becuase here on Earth we get hydrogen is a way that isn't worth the emissions you'd save by driving a hydrogen powered car/truck/suv ect. That way being we extract the hydrogen by burning petroleum products.

[Elfer]

At 7/10/09 04:50 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: Now tell me this. How are they getting the hydrogen for these hydrogen powered cars. Becuase here on Earth we get hydrogen is a way that isn't worth the emissions you'd save by driving a hydrogen powered car/truck/suv ect. That way being we extract the hydrogen by burning petroleum products.

Actually hydrogen isn't considered an energy source. No real scientists are claiming that. It's just a convenient way to store energy.

[Tomsan]

At 7/10/09 04:50 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Now tell me this. How are they getting the hydrogen for these hydrogen powered cars. Becuase here on Earth we get hydrogen is a way that isn't worth the emissions you'd save by driving a hydrogen powered car/truck/suv ect. That way being we extract the hydrogen by burning petroleum products.

yet..

lol at your sig. trying to suppress something? clicked it and then lol at your account text.. feeling threatened or something? whats wrong with you?

[RubberTrucky]

At 7/8/09 09:59 AM, Tomsan wrote:
So no if you would duplicate earth, or easier the whole universe, within no time the two realities would be different. insignificantly different at first but after a few billion years you could probably measure some differences.

Perhaps, though taken into account that even though quantum rules are different from classical rules the macro-processes are still governed by the classic evolution.
In all of history, there is not one case of a being tunneling through a 2 foot wall.

[sreggin]

Things happen no matter what

amazing insight there buddy

your observations would be completely fucking obvious if quantum physics didn't stand in the way.

[Tomsan]

At 7/13/09 07:19 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 7/8/09 09:59 AM, Tomsan wrote:
So no if you would duplicate earth, or easier the whole universe, within no time the two realities would be different. insignificantly different at first but after a few billion years you could probably measure some differences.

Perhaps, though taken into account that even though quantum rules are different from classical rules the macro-processes are still governed by the classic evolution.
In all of history, there is not one case of a being tunneling through a 2 foot wall.

unlikely events due to ´normal´ physics dont exclude large differences within normal physics that can form due to quantum physics.

[All-American-Badass]

At 7/13/09 06:57 AM, Tomsan wrote:

At 7/10/09 04:50 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Now tell me this. How are they getting the hydrogen for these hydrogen powered cars. Becuase here on Earth we get hydrogen is a way that isn't worth the emissions you'd save by driving a hydrogen powered car/truck/suv ect. That way being we extract the hydrogen by burning petroleum products.

yet..

lol at your sig. trying to suppress something? clicked it and then lol at your account text.. feeling threatened or something? whats wrong with you?

I just dislike priuses. and the fact that their owners are usually douchebags. I am not threatened by anything.

[Tomsan]

At 7/13/09 06:33 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

At 7/13/09 06:57 AM, Tomsan wrote:

At 7/10/09 04:50 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

Now tell me this. How are they getting the hydrogen for these hydrogen powered cars. Becuase here on Earth we get hydrogen is a way that isn't worth the emissions you'd save by driving a hydrogen powered car/truck/suv ect. That way being we extract the hydrogen by burning petroleum products.

yet..

lol at your sig. trying to suppress something? clicked it and then lol at your account text.. feeling threatened or something? whats wrong with you?

I just dislike priuses. and the fact that their owners are usually douchebags. I am not threatened by anything.

yes and the funny thing about it is you probably ACTUALLY think this, as well as your account text. making you a walking american prejudice (your name actually says it all already). or iow a retard

[ImperiaL-DawN]

At 7/7/09 05:11 PM, EKublai wrote: Yeah also free will is not governed by any agreeable law of physics. Also radioactive decay is random.

Also, Mutation, caused by radiation or not, can also be quite random.

[RubberTrucky]

At 7/13/09 04:23 PM, Tomsan wrote:
unlikely events due to ´normal´ physics dont exclude large differences within normal physics that can form due to quantum physics.

Can you give an example of such a difference in dynamics of 'classical' objects?
However, I do recognise nano-scale effects yused in engeneering, which are very important.

[Tomsan]

At 7/14/09 10:05 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 7/13/09 04:23 PM, Tomsan wrote:
unlikely events due to ´normal´ physics dont exclude large differences within normal physics that can form due to quantum physics.

Can you give an example of such a difference in dynamics of 'classical' objects?
However, I do recognise nano-scale effects yused in engeneering, which are very important.

what do u want me to say? I said that when duplicating the universe, within no time there would be differences and after a while the differences would be measurable. these differences can fall within normal physics phenomena but it would be different. quantum physics says that electrons are unpredictable and random, thus creating a whole different universe when duplicated

[nehemiah135]

people's personality are based off the choices they make so if in earth copy 1 Albert Einstein had decided that he wasn't going to take school anymore and become a coal miner then that copy would not have that technology as soon as the normal earth would. because in a split second a person who was supposed to do something great in this world decide not to then the whole copy or normal earth would not have that technology or religion for that matter. because everyone has free will.

[Tomsan]

At 7/16/09 06:09 AM, nehemiah135 wrote: people's personality are based off the choices they make so if in earth copy 1 Albert Einstein had decided that he wasn't going to take school anymore and become a coal miner then that copy would not have that technology as soon as the normal earth would. because in a split second a person who was supposed to do something great in this world decide not to then the whole copy or normal earth would not have that technology or religion for that matter. because everyone has free will.

although I am partially contradicting myself, there is no such thing as free will. the copy of einstein would do the same.. however if you would make a copy (of the universe) many many years ago long before he was born the outcome could be different. If he was born in similar situation however his live story would be the same.

do you really believe a person makes a (real) choice? you like cola and hate fanta.. youre in a shop and you can choose between the 2, I would bet all my savings on u choosing cola.