Pirating ads are bullshit

[Blaze-Heatnix]

They compare stealing a purse, which means you're blatantly stealing someone else's property in front of hundreds of people...

...to sitting safely behind your computer downloading torrents. I mean really. It's not like police check computers for SNES ROMs.

Discuss.

[Blaze-Heatnix]

Fuck I meant anti-pirating ads.

[MultiCanimefan]

Stealing is stealing, my friend, whether it's done in the view of many people of from the secluded confines of your home.

[Eclipse914]

At 7/4/09 03:32 AM, Blaze-Heatnix wrote: They compare stealing a purse, which means you're blatantly stealing someone else's property in front of hundreds of people...

...to sitting safely behind your computer downloading torrents. I mean really. It's not like police check computers for SNES ROMs.

Discuss.

I know, I think its utter bullshit the kind of ads the medias feeding us these days. Its really a shame ThePirateBay is being shut down, really.

RIP TPB.

[Phobotech]

Yah, I unanimously agree, dats bullshit=

[CryogenChaos]

At 7/4/09 03:32 AM, Blaze-Heatnix wrote: They compare stealing a purse, which means you're blatantly stealing someone else's property in front of hundreds of people...

...to sitting safely behind your computer downloading torrents. I mean really. It's not like police check computers for SNES ROMs.

Discuss.

Though I thoroughly question the validity of this thread in relation to the rules, I agree with you.

I get that they're saying that theft is still theft, but there's a big difference between stealing a purse and downloading pirated software. I'd figure the more apt example would be stealing money from a wallet you found on the ground. Nobody's around to see you do it, and you're not really hurting anyone except the guy you stole the money from.

[I-RULE-OVER-ALL]

It is in a way stealing, you get the software for free, meanwhile all the hours it took to develop it, and all the money is never made up, and wasted due to people just get a free copy from someone, who doesn't have permission to distribute it, it is a slap in the face of hard work.

[esko-man]

They can't find a good enough reason that appeals to logic, so they give us that moral bullshit or load us with propaganda, it's the same for anything they don't want you to do.

[Brass]

This is how you fucking anti-pirating turds should look at it:

IT'S NOT STEALING.

Stealing leaves the original owner with none and you with a second copy.

Pirating leaves the original owner with exactly what he had, and gives you it as well.

FUCK.

[CryogenChaos]

At 7/4/09 03:49 AM, Brass wrote: This is how you fucking anti-pirating turds should look at it:

IT'S NOT STEALING.

Stealing leaves the original owner with none and you with a second copy.

Pirating leaves the original owner with exactly what he had, and gives you it as well.

Then how does the company who developed the software or video game or whatever make money if you're downloading it for free?

Individual downloads don't matter that much, but on a grand scale, if a lot of people are pirating a piece of software, they company that developed it is losing money. They don't make as much money as they would if you had purchased that software.

[newnerdproductionsTM]

No matter what, the corporations only want money. Then this shit happens.

[Brass]

At 7/4/09 03:52 AM, CryogenChaos wrote:

Then how does the company who developed the software or video game or whatever make money if you're downloading it for free?

Individual downloads don't matter that much, but on a grand scale, if a lot of people are pirating a piece of software, they company that developed it is losing money. They don't make as much money as they would if you had purchased that software.

Generally, people who pirate are people who wouldn't purchase the songs or software they're downloading.

I understand there are exceptions to this, obviously, but a decent amount of people who pirate stuff aren't willing to pay for it.

I realize I sounded a bit harsh in my original post, I'm just sick of the piracy debate. :/

[I-RULE-OVER-ALL]

At 7/4/09 03:49 AM, Brass wrote: This is how you fucking anti-pirating turds should look at it:

IT'S NOT STEALING.

In a way it is, and is wrong, the below picture demonstates

[CryogenChaos]

At 7/4/09 04:05 AM, Brass wrote:
Generally, people who pirate are people who wouldn't purchase the songs or software they're downloading.

I understand there are exceptions to this, obviously, but a decent amount of people who pirate stuff aren't willing to pay for it.

The "willing to pay for it" part is what gets the anti-piracy advocates going. See, in their mindset, if you're downloading it, then that means that you want it, but since you're not willing to pay for it, then you shouldn't have it. People worked hard on the software you're downloading, the least you could do is buy it.

There's also the notion that if you're not willing to buy one piece of software, then you'll eventually not be willing to buy any software, thus making you a "leech".

I realize I sounded a bit harsh in my original post, I'm just sick of the piracy debate. :/

Understandable. I just didn't know if you understood where the other side was coming from.

At 7/4/09 03:57 AM, newnerdproductionsTM wrote: No matter what, the corporations only want money. Then this shit happens.

You do know why corporations/businesses want money, right? To pay their employees, taxes, advertising, etc. so they can still operate and make more products. Like, for some reason I get the impression that people equate the word "corporation" with "one or a couple of corrupt businesspeople who use their money to buy the world and employ slave labor". Truth be told, the heads of businesses aren't that much different from the rest of us.

[Goldfire64]

Since i work in a video store i would prefer you buy the movie. If you download we miss a sale and i get less on my paycheck. So go by a god damn movie so i can stop eating dog food.

[tom641]

what if its an old game no one collects money on anymore? like that home improvement games 4 snes?

[X0]

Technically the only real trouble you can get in from illegal downloading is your internet shut off. Because businesses realized that suing individual people didn't solve the problem, so now they sue your internet provider.

My friend downloaded a bunch of movies and stuff illegally just for the hell of it, so they shut down his internet. Then he called the cable company and was like, "Yeah I don't know who was downloading illegally, someone must be using my wifi or something." and they turned it back on.

Really though I don't think it's a good idea to mess with.

[Hiphopopotamus]

At 7/4/09 04:20 AM, Goldfire64 wrote: Since i work in a video store i would prefer you buy the movie. If you download we miss a sale and i get less on my paycheck. So go by a god damn movie so i can stop eating dog food.

Now when I eat my lobster dinners while watching my pirated copy of High School Musical 3, I'll know that I'm making your life a living hell.

[chubbthehippo]

At 7/4/09 03:41 AM, I-RULE-OVER-ALL wrote: It is in a way stealing, you get the software for free, meanwhile all the hours it took to develop it, and all the money is never made up, and wasted due to people just get a free copy from someone, who doesn't have permission to distribute it, it is a slap in the face of hard work.

So is overpricing stuff "in a way stealing" and marketing shit music to mindless 11 year olde
Is "in a way stealing", which is a slap to face to real music.
RIP TPB, why the fuck did you sell out on us :(

[Snake-Arsenic]

Commodore 64 died due to Piracy and since you don't see any new Commodores or Commodore software I think it's safe to say you can shut down businesses and persons relying on money from the sale of other products as well.

[Charon]

pirates will stop pirating when companies put effort into things, the most recent bout of games are pretty unremarkable and i havent seen or been interested in a film since Watchmen (which i will be buying on bluray because it was so amazing)

the best way for a company to tackle piracy is it lower prices and put effort into things, if im paying more then £10 for a CD i wont bother unless its 2 hours of music. Alternately they need to offer some sort of incentive like a large discount off their next purchase or interesting extras on a dvd, or with games if you buy it a code to unlock extra items or something similar.

the problem is everyone likes their money just as much as the music bosses and film distributors

[Overlord32]

This is the new anti-piracy ad.
Also pirating is stealing, as you're taking someone's product and you're also taking away money they could have gotten from sales of said product. Hell, if people pirate constantly from a small company the company could go bankrupt from the lack of sales.

[Charon]

At 7/4/09 05:56 AM, Overlord32 wrote: Also pirating is stealing, as you're taking someone's product and you're also taking away money they could have gotten from sales of said product. Hell, if people pirate constantly from a small company the company could go bankrupt from the lack of sales.

for a total hypothetic example

i download the movie mean girls

i would never buy this in the shop or pay money for it in any way, therefore i have not taken away money from the company. if i stole the dvd from the shop then i have taken away the opportunity for the company to make money as someone else cant buy the dvd i stole.

Also anyone remember world of goo, well i read that the company went bust due to piracy. there is a very good reason for this because they charged too much! they asked for £15 for the game on steam and people just pirated it, when the game dropped to around £4 there was an increase in sales. if you put to high a price tag on things people will go else where.

Now the rebuttal to that is well people need to make money, but if a little more work was actually done to make a product that was worth full price then people will buy it, i will buy any game/dvd/cd that gives me more for my money i.e. online play, wicked extras, awesome film that i truely enjoyed or an album that gives you that intense listening experience. I will be paid to be blown away (lol) by something i will not pay for mediocrity

[gostgamer]

Okay, lets say for example you had devloped sofware and it was really good and you wanted to make money off it . And there was no laws on piracy guess what you wont be making a fucking dime. Oh by the way stealling is stealing no matter how you look at it.

[zrick]

At 7/4/09 03:49 AM, Brass wrote: This is how you fucking anti-pirating turds should look at it:

IT'S NOT STEALING.

Stealing leaves the original owner with none and you with a second copy.

Pirating leaves the original owner with exactly what he had, and gives you it as well.

FUCK.

It is stealing; no matter how much you try and justify it.

[XIII13]

At 7/4/09 03:49 AM, Brass wrote: This is how you fucking anti-pirating turds should look at it:

IT'S NOT STEALING.

Stealing leaves the original owner with none and you with a second copy.

Pirating leaves the original owner with exactly what he had, and gives you it as well.

It's just like sharing. :D

[RubberTrucky]

It's an ad, it's meant to have some kind of impact.It's like those cancer ads where you see people dyeing or those ads of Africa where they say that each time you clap your hands 100 people die from hunger.

As to the issue of pirating, I have to go along with those who say that it does steal money from people who have worked really hard to develop a fine program.

[ZenOfAnger]

The idea of stealing is trying not to get noticed, so it's the same basic idea apart from downloading pirate movies/music it's easier not to get caught.

[Conspiracy3]

It's not stealing.

When you steal you remove the original copy from someone. When you download online you copy and replicate the original. When you pirate you rob ships on the high seas.

[FrostedMonkeyFlakes]

Theft is theft regardless of weather or not it's a true physical copy of something, or something you wouldn't be willing to pay for otherwise. I do it too and I try to justify it to myself with things like "I never would have bought it in the first place" or the "I'll buy it when I can afford it" but I know it's still wrong.

There are a few things I feel less bad about downloading like old video games no longer in circulation (snes roms and the like) but you're still hurting the pockets of those who make their living selling used hard copies of those items, be it the little old lady running the second hand store or the guy on ebay. Then there is the software with price tags of hundreds of dollars where the price is obviously directed at those who use the programs to earn a living. My justification there is that if I ever get to a point where I am using these programs and profiting from them I will purchase the programs. The only time it doesn't bother me in the least is when I already own a physical copy of a game, movie, or music and I'm essentially just downloading a backup.

I can't imagine what sites like Newgrounds or Worth1000 would be like without pirated copies of flash and photoshop. Actually I can, probably a lot more quality stuff and no need for a portal.

In the end piracy is no different than shoplifting, even if you aren't walking into a store and stuffing shit in your shirt, you are still taking something without paying for it and directly preventing more people than you may realize from earning money for the sale of said items. Sure prices on certain items like music have nearly doubled in the last 15 years (and it's partially our fault according the RIAA anyway) but that doesn't make taking it for free it any less wrong.