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At 12/30/07 05:12 AM, JerkClock wrote: It was Wade Fulp who did and not Tom, your statement does not hold. In fact, Tom has been spotted stating the opposite:

http://web.archive.org/web/2002122117380 4/www.newgrounds.com/portal/readreview.p hp3?user_id=1

I just found it very ironic. :)

Our bandwidth problems aren't primarily the result of crappy Portal movies.

So your bandwidth argument fails.

Great. Digging out a review made in 2001. That's six years ago, in case you haven't noticed yet. Back then there was a lot less spam than there is now.

You do know how DoS-Attacks work, do you (if not, just ask google)?
Well, the same could happen to NG if spam groups flood the portal with an endless stream of crappy submissions. When Tom made that review no spam crew existed! Hell, even B wasn't submitted at that time!
Therefore, your argument fails.

At 12/30/07 10:45 AM, Haggard wrote:
Great. Digging out a review made in 2001. That's six years ago,

Which is irrelevant because it is:

1. Still a valid point, the decent Flash that sucks up 5MB+ we all love watching takes up way more bandwidth than the spam no one watches except to blam.

2. It's also something he has yet to change his opinion on.

You do know how DoS-Attacks work, do you (if not, just ask google)?

Yes, and as explained the spam doesn't do enough. Wade Fulp, the proponent of this measure didn't even site DOS attacks as the reason(he had a much different reason), so your argument is asinine. Ask any admin and they will tell you the site has sufficient bandwidth to handle it.

Well, the same could happen to NG if spam groups flood the portal with an endless stream of crappy submissions.

Do you even know what it would take to DOS newgrounds? Or are you just talking out of your ass? I don't know myself, but suffice to say if the admins are not, and never were worried about spam Flash DOSing the site(and they haven't), we shouldn't either.

At 12/30/07 05:12 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/30/07 04:31 AM, Coop83 wrote:
So regular users don't contribute to the site?

Where did I say that?

By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again. We have too many submissions a day to deal with to say that regular users are not contributing.

It was Wade Fulp who did and not Tom, your statement does not hold. In fact, Tom has been spotted stating the opposite:

http://web.archive.org/web/2002122117380 4/www.newgrounds.com/portal/readreview.p hp3?user_id=1

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001, before the Clock Crew, Star Syndicate or any of the other spam clubs.

Our bandwidth problems aren't primarily the result of crappy Portal movies.

So your bandwidth argument fails.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

It appears to be the widely held belief of the users discussing here (i.e. everyone except you) that the system works.

Argumentum Ad Populum. Everyone in the world can believe a lie if they wish, but it is still a lie.

Ooh, Latin. No Illegiemus Carborundii.

Actually it is the opinion of one administrator on the site, you don't know what the rest of them think, even if you did, that's Argumentum Ad Verecundium. Just because an authority holds an opinion, does not make that opinion correct.

Technically, they would be of the same opinion, as it does not present a good business front to be seen arguing in front of your clients and fanbase :P

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: 058) 12.26 +0.04 7.66 Ehwaz003 EGSC
059) 12.26 -------- 7.66 Mazza EGSC -4
060) 12.26 +0.04 7.66 Coop83 EGSC -1

Happy New Year, Wylo. Thanks for the update and Idiot Finder, you're a bastard. Obnly because you passed me.

Thanks for the 4 updates since I last posted, Wylo! YOU DA MAN. Keep it up in teh 2008s. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

At 11/19/07 11:07 PM, Wylo wrote: The 11/19/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update

001) 13.95 +0.01 8.72 YoinK EGSC
002) 13.89 -------- 8.68 altr EGSC
003) 13.89 +0.02 8.68 ramagi EGSC
004) 13.81 +0.03 8.91 NeMeSiSM66 Commander
005) 13.74 +0.01 8.59 bila EGSC
006) 13.68 +0.03 8.55 Stormwarden EGSC
007) 13.57 +0.02 8.48 Wylo EGSC
008) 13.55 +0.01 8.47 Joe EGSC
009) 13.49 +0.02 8.70 CaptainBob Commander
010) 13.44 +0.03 8.67 staphita Commander
011) 13.41 +0.03 8.38 iWalker EGSC
012) 13.31 +0.01 8.32 Parasoul EGSC
013) 13.30 +0.02 8.31 alexsmolik EGSC
014) 13.28 +0.02 8.30 ReconRebel EGSC
015) 13.20 +0.03 8.25 gfoxcook EGSC

Things in the top 15 are looking pretty stable, ayup... :::yawning:::

016) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC
017) 13.02 -------- 8.14 XwaynecoltX EGSC
018) 13.02 +0.03 8.14 wismty EGSC
019) 13.01 +0.03 8.13 Rabindarath EGSC
020) 12.99 +0.01 8.12 lightning EGSC
021) 12.99 +0.03 8.12 Toocool100 EGSC +1
022) 12.98 +0.02 8.11 Molotov EGSC -1
023) 12.96 +0.02 8.10 leeboy105 EGSC
024) 12.90 +0.04 8.06 ornery-scotsman EGSC +1
025) 12.88 +0.02 8.05 FIGMENTUM EGSC -1
026) 12.78 +0.01 7.99 iscrulz EGSC +1
027) 12.78 -------- 7.99 moongod EGSC -1
028) 12.77 +0.02 7.98 DonDoli EGSC
029) 12.74 +0.02 7.96 Denvish EGSC
030) 12.72 +0.02 7.95 LockClock EGSC
031) 12.66 +0.04 7.91 MPA EGSC +1
032) 12.65 +0.03 8.16 Myst Commander +1
033) 12.64 -------- 7.90 KWAS71KCK EGSC -2
034) 12.62 +0.03 7.89 carmelhadinosaur EGSC +1
035) 12.62 +0.03 8.14 RageVI Commander +1
036) 12.61 +0.02 8.52 PimpMasterKDOG General -2

You gotta go pretty far down away from the top 20 to find a non-EGSC, too... that's great news for us of teh lofty perches who continue to deposit without fail (or without much fail, at least).

At 12/2/07 09:40 PM, Wylo wrote: The 12/02/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: Kirk-Cocaine and JerkClock
Users that have left the list: Syme and Pieriku

Oh noe.... teh Syme. ;_;

Pieriku is teh gone, too.

015) 13.22 +0.02 8.26 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC +1
017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -1

Hey there, ~X~!

At 12/17/07 10:20 PM, Wylo wrote: The 12/17/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: Pieriku
Users that have left the list: UND

Hey, Pieriku is back already!

001) 14.00 +0.03 8.75 YoinK EGSC

Re-grats on that 14 point Oh, sirrah!

013) 13.33 +0.02 8.33 ReconRebel EGSC +1
014) 13.31 -------- 8.32 alexsmolik EGSC -1
015) 13.25 +0.03 8.28 gfoxcook EGSC

Congrats, Recon.

Yo alex, what be up? Are ya gonna sleep long enough for me to finally taste #14 (or wait... was I once #14 long long ago? I can't remember now ;_;)... or are ya gonna wake up and smell teh coffees?

017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC -1
018) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 Rabindarath EGSC +1
019) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -2
020) 13.04 +0.03 8.15 Toocool100 EGSC +2

Wow... that's a whole lotta folks at 13.04 at once.

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: The 01/01/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: courtday
Users that have left the list: Quadraton

courtday!!!

001) 14.02 +0.02 8.76 YoinK EGSC
002) 13.95 +0.01 8.72 ramagi EGSC

Keep on chuggin', folks.

013) 13.36 +0.03 8.35 ReconRebel EGSC
014) 13.31 -------- 8.32 alexsmolik EGSC
015) 13.26 +0.01 8.29 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.09 +0.02 8.18 wismty EGSC

Oh, and hey there, wismty. #;-}>

At 12/3/07 11:31 PM, wismty wrote:

014) 13.31 +0.03 8.32 ReconRebel EGSC
015) 13.22 +0.02 8.26 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC +1
017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -1
018) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 wismty EGSC
019) 13.02 +0.01 8.14 Rabindarath EGSC
020) 13.01 +0.03 8.13 Molotov EGSC +2
021) 13.01 +0.02 8.13 lightning EGSC -1
022) 13.01 +0.02 8.13 Toocool100 EGSC -1

I've already passed both ~X~ and -Cronno- in experience. Hopefully I'll be higher than them in the list by next update, putting me beneath the legendadry gfoxcook... for a very long time.

That's me, all right. #;-}> Welcome aboard. And yep, the stay's a long one.

I was #15 (And before that, I think I was #14 for a bit)... then #16 for awhile... then #15 again. And there at #15 I have stayed for... oh... over a year now. It's a sloooooooooooooow climb from here.

But hey, I just noticed today that I'm #66 in exp now according to my userpage ranking (last time I had noticed, I was still in the 70s!), so... at least I'm moving up SOMEwhere. #;-}>

At 12/4/07 04:18 PM, Molotov wrote: Hey reached the top 20. =)

Congrats and welcome to yous as well!

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote:

At 12/21/07 01:14 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/19/07 09:56 AM, YoinK wrote: Yea.. this is the 2nd time reaching 14.00 .... but first one to reach it after the redesign.
15.00 VP is definitely possible with the new system. It's all just a matter of time.

Unless they make it rescale when pimp hits level 60, which there's a lot of speculation of. In which case, I'll be pretty enraged.

Why would they make it rescale when Pimp hits level 60? It defies logic. Putting the experience requirements and therefore the Voting Power back on the sliding scale seems like it might still be a possibility, but given that the only people who need to know about this at the moment (for the next 2 years :P) are the Admins, we can merely speculate.

What about it defies logic?

The pasted text from Tom certainly suggests they aren't planning right now to re-introduce scaling, but I know I'm not alone when I assumed that level 60 = scaling begins again when the redesign came out and Pimp was at level 50 out of 60.

I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

No, but why would it be that way? Once HT or Pimp was at level 30, every day they deposited didn't add to their VP at all. Their VP stayed the same, and the only way ours went DOWN was if we didn't deposit.

So I'd hardly call that a penalty for the rest of us or a boost to the top user. More of just a... handicap for all of us while he treads water. It would just mean we'd be back to it taking longer to level up, increase VP, etc. etc, that's all.

At 12/21/07 12:21 PM, BlueHippo wrote: I was curious about how things would work when Pimp reached level 60... perhaps this PM i got back from Tom can better answer your question

At 11/19/07 4:01 PM, TomFulp wrote: The way the new system works is, the gap widens between each level as you go up - but it's a static algorithm, so it doesn't change based on what levels other users are on... It just takes longer to advance from one level to the next.

Under the new system, people will be able to keep leveling up beyond level 60 - their level will show, but currently they wills till have the level 60 icon (this could change)... The gap becomes so wide at this point, that advancing additional levels will start to be a VERY VERY slow process... But the opportunity is there for people who keep depositing. :)

-Tom

That's an interesting brand new system.

...the thing is, it's still kinda a mystery :/ Guess we're gonna have to wait and see >_<

Indeed. It won't take all that long. If scaling comes back, though, at least we all got 2-3 years to massively up our exp, levels, VP, etc. before the scaling came back.... and then it's just back to usual. But at least a usual with 60 levels instead of just 30. #;-}>

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 07:31 PM, Haggard wrote: Well, do you have an example of any user that had this happen to him?

I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

Didn't he say a user with their exp or b/p reset to 0? That's not the same thing as deleting a user.

And yes, there have been users with stats set back to 0 by the admins.

I can think of one who had their posts all deleted. And another who had all their b/p deleted. Without their accounts being deleted at the same time.

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

Crappy new year WhyLow. :P

The 01/01/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update

Thanks for the update.

Users entering list: courtday

Hello.

Users that have left the list: Quadraton

Goodbye.

Level uppers:

Congrats to the two users that ranked up.

At 1/1/08 10:24 PM, Wylo wrote: 076) 11.97 +0.03 7.48 Bahamut EGSC +1

Good good, up one rank AND it looks like I'll be the 75th user to reach 12.00VP. How convenient. :)

At 1/2/08 03:41 AM, Coop83 wrote:

By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again.

No I said perspective Flash authors who are trying to contribute are.

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001,

Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he said it yesterday or 1000 years ago, it still holds water, and he has not changed his mind.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

You bug him about it.

Ooh, Latin.

Irrelevant. I notice you failed to address the fact that your argument was a logical fallacy.

Technically, they would be of the same opinion,

Well not really, proof?

At 1/2/08 04:56 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote: I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

No, but why would it be that way? Once HT or Pimp was at level 30, every day they deposited didn't add to their VP at all. Their VP stayed the same, and the only way ours went DOWN was if we didn't deposit.

Exactly my point. Not a boost to their own or a penalty to ours. Only a penalty to ours if we fail to deposit. Even then, if we are still depositing, our own VP will climb, just at a slightly slower rate.

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote: I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

I can think of one who had their posts all deleted. And another who had all their b/p deleted. Without their accounts being deleted at the same time.

A link would be really helpful here, but now you come to mention it, I do remember hearing of users who have had their Post count reset as with their B/P as well. Sadly, I can't remember names at present.

At 1/4/08 08:30 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 1/2/08 03:41 AM, Coop83 wrote: By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again.

No I said perspective Flash authors who are trying to contribute are.

Then they're not really that desperate for attention, are they? If they were, they'd try again once the ban is lifted.

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001,

Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he said it yesterday or 1000 years ago, it still holds water, and he has not changed his mind.

Prove that he hasn't.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

You bug him about it.

I don't need to.

Ooh, Latin.

Irrelevant. I notice you failed to address the fact that your argument was a logical fallacy.

I notice you failed to address gfoxcook's argument about the accounts who have had Post count and / or B/P counts reset. In my eyes, my argument was not a logical fallacy

Technically, they would be of the same opinion,

Well not really, proof?

You've never heard of the good business sense of 'providing a united front'? Newgrounds is a business in today's modern world, a concept that you seem to have failed to grasp, prefering to resort to trying to poke holes in the facts and twist them to your own use.

It has been a while that I got the honor to end the top 100. At least Tommy is inactive, there is still hope.

At 1/5/08 05:56 AM, Coop83 wrote:

A link would be really helpful here, but now you come to mention it, I do remember hearing of users who have had their Post count reset as with their B/P as well. Sadly, I can't remember names at present.

Someone named LordBlam I remember this happening to, but I can't seem to find his profile. He may have been deleted or I may be getting the name wrong. Also my original account Anarchy-Balsac(back then Anarchy_Balsac before the forced name change), lost my XP and my B/P. I don't like to recall it though.

Then they're not really that desperate for attention, are they? If they were, they'd try again once the ban is lifted.

Funny how I stopped trying because of the system even though according to your remark I'd have kept trying, even though I didn't. I'm not saying there aren't some who do, but there's certainly a lot who don't. And if it isn't really effecting malacious users like it's supposed to, what's the point?

Prove that he hasn't.

The only way I can do that is link all his posts since then, but even then you could still say he said it off site or something. Prove that he has.

I don't need to.

Then don't claim he thinks that way.

I notice you failed to address gfoxcook's argument about the accounts who have had Post count and / or B/P counts reset.

I didn't even notice it because I've only been watching your posts but looking at it, it just validates what I've been saying.

In my eyes, my argument was not a logical fallacy

Special Pleading, you wish not believe something, but that doesn't effect its truth.

You've never heard of the good business sense of 'providing a united front'?

Playing semantics with the word "Business" to dodge the point. No how about instead you justify your reason for saying that.

Anyway, you still haven't proven any admins think that spam will DOS the site.

Gfox wrote:
Didn't he say a user with their exp or b/p reset to 0? That's not the same thing as deleting a user.

Yeah I know it happened with "Anarchy_Balsac", if you remember we used to have discussions about that having happened. I've seen others I just can't remember them.

At 1/8/08 05:04 AM, JerkClock wrote: Someone named LordBlam I remember this happening to, but I can't seem to find his profile. He may have been deleted or I may be getting the name wrong. Also my original account Anarchy-Balsac(back then Anarchy_Balsac before the forced name change), lost my XP and my B/P. I don't like to recall it though.

I might have know that something like this was behind it all. You've become bitter and twisted about the goings on and how you've been treated by the system.

Then they're not really that desperate for attention, are they? If they were, they'd try again once the ban is lifted.

Funny how I stopped trying because of the system even though according to your remark I'd have kept trying, even though I didn't. I'm not saying there aren't some who do, but there's certainly a lot who don't. And if it isn't really effecting malacious users like it's supposed to, what's the point?

Like I said, you've just become bitter and twisted over this. There are always exceptions that prove the rule, you're it, son.

In my eyes, my argument was not a logical fallacy

Special Pleading, you wish not believe something, but that doesn't effect its truth.

There are two opinions on that subject. Yours and the correct one.

You've never heard of the good business sense of 'providing a united front'?

Playing semantics with the word "Business" to dodge the point. No how about instead you justify your reason for saying that.

How about you just agree with me that we have completely polarised opinions on this and that we will never agree. I see no need to continue this conversation with a person of your intellectual stature, as it is a waste of my time.

At 1/2/08 11:29 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

Crappy new year WhyLow. :P

THAT'S WAIIIII-LOH!

At 1/1/08 10:24 PM, Wylo wrote: 076) 11.97 +0.03 7.48 Bahamut EGSC +1

Good good, up one rank AND it looks like I'll be the 75th user to reach 12.00VP. How convenient. :)

You're such a silly dragon. Don't you realise there's been a dozen or more users over the years that have hit 12.00 VP, then stopped depositing and slipped down below 12 VP back into 11+ land, or even 10+ land or even (gasp)... 9+ land?

How do you think you passed all those dormant, sleeping 1999/2000 signup users on your way up the 10.00+ VP list? #;-}>

At 1/5/08 05:56 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 1/2/08 04:56 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote: I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

No, but why would it be that way? Once HT or Pimp was at level 30, every day they deposited didn't add to their VP at all. Their VP stayed the same, and the only way ours went DOWN was if we didn't deposit.

Exactly my point. Not a boost to their own or a penalty to ours. Only a penalty to ours if we fail to deposit. Even then, if we are still depositing, our own VP will climb, just at a slightly slower rate.

But I'm saying why were you even addressing that issue like it was a potential one. Unless you count getting penalized by not depositing when the top user does deposit as a penalty (I count it as the way things always were), then.... no penalty is built into that system, and no real bonus is built into it for the top user, at least in terms of VP. They've hit 10.00VP base, there's no magical bonus that just happens from that, and they can never level up again. It's kinda sad, actually. ;_;

That's why Pimp is the luckiest guy of all due to the redesign. He gets to have fun with teh new levels, too!

I can think of one who had their posts all deleted. And another who had all their b/p deleted. Without their accounts being deleted at the same time.

A link would be really helpful here, but now you come to mention it, I do remember hearing of users who have had their Post count reset as with their B/P as well. Sadly, I can't remember names at present.

You need a link? Just trust teh gfox on this one. #;-}>

I believe Chrome is one of the users to have all their posts wiped out.

I believe b/p was deleted from some Nazi/Hitler blammer type guy. Maybe it's Lord Blam that you guys brought up. Anyway.

Didn't one of the Stars have that happen to them courtesy of Wade, also?

At 1/5/08 09:23 PM, iscrulz wrote:

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

I broke my new years resolution already. I wanked it to Yaoi.

Congratulations!!!

025) 12.96 +0.03 8.10 ornery-scotsman EGSC
026) 12.86 +0.03 8.04 iscrulz EGSC

4 more updates to go.

Until... what?

At 1/8/08 08:22 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 1/8/08 05:04 AM, JerkClock wrote: Someone named LordBlam I remember this happening to, but I can't seem to find his profile. He may have been deleted or I may be getting the name wrong. Also my original account Anarchy-Balsac(back then Anarchy_Balsac before the forced name change), lost my XP and my B/P. I don't like to recall it though.

You lost both exp AND b/p? Wowza. I never saw that happen. You impress me.

I might have know that something like this was behind it all. You've become bitter and twisted about the goings on and how you've been treated by the system.

;_;

Then they're not really that desperate for attention, are they? If they were, they'd try again once the ban is lifted.

Funny how I stopped trying because of the system even though according to your remark I'd have kept trying, even though I didn't. I'm not saying there aren't some who do, but there's certainly a lot who don't. And if it isn't really effecting malacious users like it's supposed to, what's the point?

Like I said, you've just become bitter and twisted over this. There are always exceptions that prove the rule, you're it, son.

I think he was trying to disclaim his attention whoreishness. HE'S NOT AS MUCH OF ONE AS SOME WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE, in short.

Or.... not?

How about you just agree with me that we have completely polarised opinions on this and that we will never agree. I see no need to continue this conversation with a person of your intellectual stature, as it is a waste of my time.

<Homer Simpson>(whispers) Hey... JerkClock... I think Coop just paid you a compliment.... (drools)</Homer Simpson>

At 1/8/08 08:22 AM, Coop83 wrote:.

I might have know that something like this was behind it all. You've become bitter and twisted about the goings on and how you've been treated by the system.

It was a different system than we are currently discussing, and besides which I know I deserved that shit anyway. On top of being an Ad Hominem fallacy it also bears no relevance because it wasn't the same system we're discussing.

Like I said, you've just become bitter and twisted over this.

Ad Hominem, even if it were true it doesn't make the system correct. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding the point that you have not one single example of people taking this the way they are supposed to.

There are always exceptions that prove the rule, you're it, son.

Oh really? Got any proof that I'm an "exception" or are you just going to sit there saying it's true because you say so?

Yours and the correct one.

Claiming out of thin air that you are correct does not make it so.

How about you just agree with me that we have completely polarised opinions on this

No fuck that, if you're going to claim the admins hold opinions they never said they did, you better damn well back it up.

At 1/12/08 05:14 PM, JerkClock wrote: On top of being an Ad Hominem fallacy...
Ad Hominem,...

Do you really have to continue keeping score of how Coop's logic is faulty in your silly argument together?

This isn't law school, and your argument is the least interesting game/sport I've seen in some time.

Hell, I prefer the fights that were going on over in my Wii topic while I was gone... geez.

How about you just agree with me that we have completely polarised opinions on this

No fuck that, if you're going to claim the admins hold opinions they never said they did, you better damn well back it up.

How about you both just stop. You're both acting like jackholes in a topic about VOTING POWER. Take it to the LUL if you must keep it up. Or better yet, to PMs.

Who cares about what the admins say about so and so anyway? I've forgotten what opinions the admins have or don't have that you're arguing over in the first place... AND NO, don't tell me. Please. #;-}>

At 1/12/08 05:30 AM, gfoxcook wrote: But I'm saying why were you even addressing that issue like it was a potential one. Unless you count getting penalized by not depositing when the top user does deposit as a penalty (I count it as the way things always were), then.... no penalty is built into that system, and no real bonus is built into it for the top user, at least in terms of VP. They've hit 10.00VP base, there's no magical bonus that just happens from that, and they can never level up again. It's kinda sad, actually. ;_;

I'm saying that although it may be me being a bit of a pot to JerkClock's kettle, he's making a mountain out of a molehill.

That's why Pimp is the luckiest guy of all due to the redesign. He gets to have fun with teh new levels, too!

No he's not - he can't ever get the cool levels like Level 39 or 43, for example.

At 1/12/08 05:33 AM, gfoxcook wrote: <Homer Simpson>(whispers) Hey... JerkClock... I think Coop just paid you a compliment.... (drools)</Homer Simpson>

Made my day :)

At 1/12/08 05:14 PM, JerkClock wrote: At 1/8/08 08:22 AM, Coop83 wrote:.

Like I said, you've just become bitter and twisted over this.

Ad Hominem, even if it were true it doesn't make the system correct. In fact, you are deliberately avoiding the point that you have not one single example of people taking this the way they are supposed to.

Look at the regular users who submit regular flash. I've met a guy called Jimtopia. His first 4 or 5 flash were all blammed. He got his ban for it and he stuck with it. I poured my resources in and watched his flash take on greater shape and fluidity over the time he used. He's one of my favourite animators out there and he even got front paged recently Jim & Pals Ep. 4. He's come a long way.

There are always exceptions that prove the rule, you're it, son.

Oh really? Got any proof that I'm an "exception" or are you just going to sit there saying it's true because you say so?

Hello pot, this is kettle. You're black.

How about you just agree with me that we have completely polarised opinions on this

No fuck that, if you're going to claim the admins hold opinions they never said they did, you better damn well back it up.

I've presented my case, take it or GTFO

At 1/13/08 01:12 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Do you really have to continue keeping score of how Coop's logic is faulty in your silly argument together?

Apparently so. I love the occasional internet prick, they provide decent sport. Almost makes me miss that fucktard QuikFox :P

Wow...best ranking ever for me! I hope that my ranking stays at two digits from now on.

Dayum. It'll take me awhile to reach this list.

At 1/14/08 06:39 PM, Wylo wrote: 058) 12.29 -------- 7.68 Qwoxyl EGSC -3
059) 12.27 +0.01 7.67 Coop83 EGSC +1

Thanks for the update, Wylo :)

Thanks also to Mazza for not depositing. Your loss is my gain :)

I should be able to nail Qwoxyl by the next update, which would be a very nice thing, as I've never been as high as 58 before.

At 1/14/08 06:39 PM, Wylo wrote: Tuff Luv.

Yup, Tuff Luk for me. I didn't become the 75th user to reach 12 VP. Oh well, I'm still one of the first 100 to get there. :)

The 01/14/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update

Thanks for the update Wylo.

075) 12.01 +0.03 8.46 Dopefish Colonel

Lucky bastard. :P

At 1/14/08 06:41 PM, Wylo wrote: 076) 11.98 +0.01 7.49 Bahamut EGSC

Actually, I had 11.99VP at that time, but now it's 12. :D

At 1/13/08 05:29 AM, Coop83 wrote:
Look at the regular users who submit regular flash. I've met a guy called Jimtopia. His first 4 or 5 flash were all blammed. He got his ban for it and he stuck with it. I poured my resources in and watched his flash take on greater shape and fluidity over the time he used. He's one of my favourite animators out there and he even got front paged recently Jim & Pals Ep. 4. He's come a long way.

But I never said all users would get discouraged, I said a lot would, and that's true.

Hello pot, this is kettle. You're black.

Avoidance of proof noted.

I've presented my case, take it or GTFO

No you didn't, you randomly claimed they said something they didn't out of thin air then failed to back it up.

18th,awesome.

At 1/13/08 05:29 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 1/12/08 05:30 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

I'm saying that although it may be me being a bit of a pot to JerkClock's kettle, he's making a mountain out of a molehill.

Which is always fun, I s'pose.

That's why Pimp is the luckiest guy of all due to the redesign. He gets to have fun with teh new levels, too!

No he's not - he can't ever get the cool levels like Level 39 or 43, for example.

Well, I've seen a few level 32s around and it's a good level for a mid-range level, but all three of my accounts skipped over it after the redesign. If I HAD to have it, though, I'd make a new account (or start depositing with the 999999 or 1000000 accounts).

Similarly, Pimp could always make an alt (if he doesn't have one already) to experience levels such as 39 or 43.

What's so great about 39, anyway? Chainsaw, bleh.

gfoxclock just leveled up to it the other day. :::shrugs::: It's better than 40, I'll give it that. But not as good as 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, etc.

At 1/12/08 05:33 AM, gfoxcook wrote: <Homer Simpson>(whispers) Hey... JerkClock... I think Coop just paid you a compliment.... (drools)</Homer Simpson>

Made my day :)

Heh. I achieved my aim and then some, then!

At 1/13/08 01:12 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Do you really have to continue keeping score of how Coop's logic is faulty in your silly argument together?

Apparently so. I love the occasional internet prick, they provide decent sport. Almost makes me miss that fucktard QuikFox :P

Awwww... you miss ol' QuikFox.

At 1/14/08 06:39 PM, Wylo wrote: Tuff Luv.

The 01/14/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update

Thanks for the swell update, Wylo!

001) 14.03 +0.01 8.77 YoinK EGSC
002) 13.97 +0.02 8.73 ramagi EGSC
003) 13.90 -------- 8.69 altr EGSC
004) 13.87 +0.01 8.95 NeMeSiSM66 Commander
005) 13.81 +0.02 8.63 bila EGSC
006) 13.74 +0.01 8.59 Stormwarden EGSC
007) 13.66 +0.01 8.54 Wylo EGSC
008) 13.65 +0.03 8.53 Joe EGSC
009) 13.56 +0.01 8.75 CaptainBob Commander
010) 13.52 +0.03 8.72 staphita Commander
011) 13.49 +0.02 8.43 iWalker EGSC
012) 13.41 +0.03 8.38 Parasoul EGSC
013) 13.38 +0.02 8.36 ReconRebel EGSC
014) 13.31 -------- 8.32 alexsmolik EGSC
015) 13.30 +0.04 8.31 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.12 +0.03 8.20 wismty EGSC
017) 13.09 +0.02 8.18 Rabindarath EGSC +1
018) 13.09 +0.03 8.18 Molotov EGSC +1
019) 13.09 +0.03 8.18 Toocool100 EGSC +1
020) 13.07 -------- 8.17 XwaynecoltX EGSC -3

Holy crap that's sweet. I know I didn't really gain any more VP than all the +0.03 people, and it just happened to be "my week... er... 2 weeks" to round up to 0.04.... but per the list's rounding, I am the only person in the top 20 (hell, the top 25) to gain 0.04+ VP this update! YAHOO!!!

021) 13.06 +0.02 8.16 lightning EGSC
022) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC
023) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 leeboy105 EGSC
024) 12.98 +0.02 8.11 FIGMENTUM EGSC
025) 12.98 +0.02 8.11 ornery-scotsman EGSC
026) 12.88 +0.02 8.05 iscrulz EGSC
027) 12.85 -------- 8.03 DonDoli EGSC
028) 12.83 +0.01 8.02 Denvish EGSC
029) 12.83 +0.03 8.02 LockClock EGSC
030) 12.78 -------- 7.99 moongod EGSC
031) 12.75 +0.01 7.97 MPA EGSC
032) 12.75 +0.41 7.97 Patcoola EGSC +19

That's the nearest to me that anyone hitting EGSC has jumped as of late. Man, it feels nice finally being safe in my ranking on the VP list.

The only people ANYWHERE near me in VP... that are not EGSCs... are already ahead of me anyway! Hahahah. BRILLIANT.

At 1/15/08 12:42 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Wow...best ranking ever for me! I hope that my ranking stays at two digits from now on.

DON'T..... GET....... ELIMINATED!!!!!!

MOST EXTREME ELIMINATION CHALLENGE!!!!!!

Thanks for another update Wylo

At 1/14/08 06:41 PM, Wylo wrote: 134) 11.26 +0.01 8.66 Nostrant Sgt. First Class -1
135) 11.25 +0.03 7.26 Auz Commander

Pretty close to moving up =) Also pretty close to the top 100, I should become Sup. Commander next week.

By the way, I think you´re missing AtomicTerrorist. He´s base VP is 7.23 right now and he´s got a 55% bonus. 7.23 * 1.55 = 11.21 total VP.

At 1/17/08 03:40 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 1/13/08 05:29 AM, Coop83 wrote: I'm saying that although it may be me being a bit of a pot to JerkClock's kettle, he's making a mountain out of a molehill.

Which is always fun, I s'pose.

Unless you run out of raw materials before you've completed the build. Then you would have to consider making a smaller mountain, by moving part of the base to the top. This can be time consuming and wholly destabilise your entire mountain build.

Similarly, Pimp could always make an alt (if he doesn't have one already) to experience levels such as 39 or 43.

What's so great about 39, anyway? Chainsaw, bleh.

Because they're Groovy

Bruce Campbell ring any bells?

At 1/13/08 01:12 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

Apparently so. I love the occasional internet prick, they provide decent sport. Almost makes me miss that fucktard QuikFox :P

Awwww... you miss ol' QuikFox.

Almost, but not quite :P