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Hey Newgrounds. I know Story threads are forbidden and such, but this ain't no story thread. This is a thread for you people who consider themselves "writers", or who like writing stories / scripts / scenarios in order to share them on the internet or in real life.

Some kid made some thread earlier asking about help and ideas for his story. It made me realize SO many people (on Newgrounds, but also everywhere else) ask for help when they want to write something. They need help with ideas. They ask others to give them ideas.

Writing is about creativity. It's about being creative. Writing's all about using your brain to create a masterpiece people will enjoy reading, then ask "MORE, MORE, MOAR!". Writing a successful novel isn't easy. Requires time.

Lucky me, a good friend of mine is a successful writer. French stuff, you wouldn't know him. I write in French too, but just for you, Newgrounds, I'm willing to spend a few thousand bucks and get my shit translated in a perfect English. My story happens in South Carolina anyways, so the translation wouldn't be too bad.

ANYWAYS, if you want to write, there's the stuff you need to know.

First: Dedication and discipline.
If you ain't disciplined, your book, flash project, boat in a bottle, name it, wont progress. The tip my friend told me when I started writing is this one: "When you professionally write, you gotta be disciplined. You gotta be able to write 6 hours in a row before stopping. It has to be your job, your routine. You have to be able to do it every day. Write a certain amount of pages. Write a certain amount of paragraphs, chapters, however you want to function, it can work, as long as you do it."
Well he didn't exactly said those words, but that's what I understood from him.

Second: Know your shit.
If you decided on writing a short, a story, a novel, a dictionary or the god damn Bible, you gotta know what you are writing. Stephen King said he invents his novel as he writes it. Meaning what: he doesn't even know the end of his novel until he wrote it. Oh well, clap clap, you're a fucking genius Stephen (hey it's my name too)! Us lowlifes have to work differently.
Before starting my novel (did I mention that I'm writing a novel right now? no not this post, TL;DR guy...) I already had all my story all planned in my head. From the Prologue to the Epilogue. Of course, I didn't know and I still don't know exactly what I am going to type in every sentences of every paragraphs of every chapters... that's where creativity takes place. But I know the skeleton of my book, and I can work around it.
If you ask random people on the internet for ideas for your story, you should consider quitting. It's okay to ask people you know, people you can trust, people who share the same state of spirit you have, people that understand you. But if you're down asking people on the internet, you probably are just not trying hard enough or don't have the required imagination to write something amazing by yourself.

GRAMMER (some smartass is going to quote that and say "ITS NOT SPELTED GRAMMER LULZ") (Some smartass is going to copy these exact same words, I know, I've been on NG for 10 years)
Then, comes all the syntax, the grammar, the punctuation, the RULES (they love inventing thousands of random grammatical rules in French, it's fun (not)). It's okay, you're a teen. It's okay, you're not the best in English class. No need to use that as an excuse to not do any efforts while writing your text though. No one wants to read a piece of crap full of "what the fuck is that"s. Of course, all your linguistic skills will come with time, again patience, and practise (is that even the good word for this?). See? Even myself I got a terrible English and I've been speaking / writing in English for more than 14 years. It gets better and better though. You just have to try.

Read.
Read. It's one of the best ways to get better at writing. Not saying "copy paste". Read, see the styles different writers use, don't try to copy it, but you can pick your inspiration from them. Read a book, n*gga.

Read what you just wrote.
Finish a paragraph. Read what you just wrote. Re-read it until it's how you want it to be. It's rarely perfect the first time. Sometimes I can spend a good 30 minutes working on one sentence. Yep... Fun times indeed.

Avoid overused shits.
Avoid overused themes. Try finding a revolutionary idea for a story. Good luck ;)
That's what I did, and I believe it's going to work out pretty well.

Here I will answer your questions, help you, guide you, teach you engrish (jk don't ask me that).

My novel should be out in a few months. I still need to finish writing it... but yeah. Discipline, discipline. Sadly I work over 35 hours a week, and so many stuff distracts me from writing. I still find the time to write a minimum of two hours a day. You gotta fix minimum... and limits :)

I KIND OF ASKED ZEROK IF I COULD DO THIS THREAD AND HE SAID YES.

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I strongly welcome other good writers of Newgrounds (I know you guys, don't worry), to come post in here and give your 10 cents.

Notice:
THIS POST IS IN NO WAY A REQUEST FOR A LITERATURE PORTAL OR A REQUEST FOR A LITERATURE FORUM, IT'S NOT TO PROTEST AGAINST THE NO STORY THREADS IN THE GENERAL SECTION RULE, AND IT'S NOT TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE SUBJECTS. IT'S NOT EITHER TO POST YOUR STORIES. YOU CAN DO THAT IN YOUR USERPAGE OR IN THE WRITERS' GUILD OR W/E ITS CALLED. It's rather here to discuss writing skills, and such things I mentioned earlier. Hopefully people will find this post useful and I will not have wasted 40 minutes in vain. :(

More stuff will add up, feel free to ask questions, I'll answer them on a daily basis.

Thanks.


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tl;dr

But it seems really informative :D!


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I wonder if some dumbass is going to quote 'Engrish'
on grammer issues.

also, great work :D

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At 7/2/09 08:55 PM, Manhattanmaniac wrote: tl;dr

But it seems really informative :D!

And for that, you lose 50 points. Oh, that is the buzzer, telling us that the other team is the winner with 5 points, and you are the loser with -50. That's all the time we have today, join us next week on FACEPALM.

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At 7/2/09 08:55 PM, Officer wrote: I wonder if some dumbass is going to quote 'Engrish'
on grammer issues.
also, great work :D

Yeah, I put a few of those everywhere just to prove my first language isn't English... but they are obvious and well-known ;)


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Enjoyable. :] I mean I am no where near a writer but I enjoy what you wrote, might get me to do some writing of my own. Hopefully people can get a nice conversation going here...oh wait..this is Newgrounds.

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Read the whole thing whilst eating my ice cream.

I'm not a writer, but I'd probably bookmark that if I was.


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Thank you for writing this. It's been forever since I have gotten some good advice about writing.

You left out be descriptive which I was sure you would post.

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At 7/2/09 09:11 PM, biohasard wrote: Thank you for writing this. It's been forever since I have gotten some good advice about writing.

You left out be descriptive which I was sure you would post.

Yeah, I said the post wasn't complete.

But being descriptive isn't always required. If you want the story to be short and move quick, you don't always need to be absolutely descriptive. You can even left the reader totally blind and let him create his own world around the characters. :)


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Thought about it yesterday while taking the bus home and I noticed there's important points I forgot:

Self-Censorship
Don't censor yourself. if you censor yourself you might as well not write at all. Remember: shocking, disturbing and awkward stuff sells, as long as it's moderate and well in context! We don't want to read a cesspool of pointless violence or have a sex scene every 4 pages.
Incest, cannibalism, bestiality, rape, murder, you can pretty much write on any subject you want, on any taboo subject, AS LONG AS IT IS IN CONTEXT. No one likes random stories only the writer will understand.
Be careful with racism. If you are racist, keep it to yourself, your book might just get you a lawsuit.
Basically, don't be scared of taboo subjects: but be careful at how you introduce them.

Character developments
Nobody likes foreseeable stories and characters. Your character wont be interesting unless he has a nice background, maybe a hidden story behind him, or whatever. Don't spoil everything about your character too early either. Keep some secrets for the readers or whatever. If your protagonist is boring, your book might. If your protagonist is boring, your book will be most likely boring. Put your protagonist in situations where he wont know how to react, making him unpredictable! Give him hidden superpowers, anything! Fantastic stuff that happens in a totally rational and realistic world is always an interesting subject. The same thing goes for your overall plot and story: if the reader finds out how the novel ends before reading half of the text, consider you have failed. Add mysterious and unpredictable characters and events, be impulsive. Surprise yourself.

AND PLEASE, FOR FUCKS SAKE: DO SOME GOOD RESEARCH IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE ANYTHING REALISTIC THAT HAPPENS IN A REAL LOCATION! DO SOME HISTORY RESEARCH AT THE LIBRARY, AND DON'T COUNT ON WIKIPEDIA!

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mi englush techer tught me dis shit


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Very fucking important: MAKE YOUR OWN STYLE.

Copy someone else's and you're a fucking dipshit without the slightest clue.

Swallow your sugar pills, inject your saline, breath in some hydroxide mist and have a nice day.

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I'm not a writer, but George Orwell said that if you can think of a shorter word, use it.

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At 7/3/09 04:39 PM, Lost-Chances wrote: Very fucking important: MAKE YOUR OWN STYLE.

Copy someone else's and you're a fucking dipshit without the slightest clue.

Yeah, good point, I put that in the first post :P

But yeah, everyone hates copycats. Your work can be inspired from someone, but not copy pasted.


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Everyone writes with their own unique voice. It's impossible to copy someone elses. That's why it's pointless to try.

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How were you on NG for 10 years if your sign up date is only six years ago? I find it hard to believe that you frequented the website for four years before making an account.


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At 7/3/09 04:57 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: How were you on NG for 10 years if your sign up date is only six years ago? I find it hard to believe that you frequented the website for four years before making an account.

Never paid attention to the big "SIGN UP" button. Thanks for not brining anything constructive to this thread. Also, I suggest you go discuss your shitty conspiracies in the Politics Forum Section, where people will take a pleasure making fun of you.


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I guess one of the best ways to write a story would be to know your characters and to see life through their eyes. For Example: What would your character do If they had an hour to kill before going to an event? Where is the first place they would go when they enter the mall?(Bookstore, Food Court, Hot Topic, Payless...etc.) How would they get back to their hotel on a trip to a new place? Would they try to find the hotel by themselves or ask for directions? Are they more shy and introverted or outgoing and extroverted? What would they do on a date? Although a lot of this information probably would not be in your actual story, It helps you get a since of who your character is and how they think. I use this technique for a lot of my storys and I hope it may help you if you ever get a mental blovk when trying to write something.


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At 7/4/09 02:44 PM, LovelyInBlue wrote: I guess one of the best ways to write a story would be to know your characters and to see life through their eyes. For Example: What would your character do If they had an hour to kill before going to an event? Where is the first place they would go when they enter the mall?(Bookstore, Food Court, Hot Topic, Payless...etc.) How would they get back to their hotel on a trip to a new place? Would they try to find the hotel by themselves or ask for directions? Are they more shy and introverted or outgoing and extroverted? What would they do on a date? Although a lot of this information probably would not be in your actual story, It helps you get a since of who your character is and how they think. I use this technique for a lot of my storys and I hope it may help you if you ever get a mental blovk when trying to write something.

That's true. Writing like if your book was a role-playing game makes your characters much more believable and interesting. You will usually find a lot of common interests and habits in between the writer and his characters.


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Thanks for the advice chief. Maybe I'll finally get around to getting off my lazy ass and writing that novel like I want to.

I'm writing it already, just very very very slowly.
And poorly.

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Is it weird that even though you intentionally spelled grammar wrong I couldn't continue reading because it was pissing me off so fucking much? :)

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Also, a quick tip about style...

The human brain likes to think in loops. This is bad. Even great writers have a tendency to reuse the same word, phrase, or concept over and over again, because it's stuck in a loop in their head. Make sure to re-read you work COLD, as in, re-read is when you're in a completely different mood and see if it still makes sense.

Also, and this is important: CHARACTER DYNAMICS. Things that happen to your characters change them. Your characters shouldn't think the same way, talk the same way, act the same way, or respond the same way they did when they were introduced.

Finally, there's the most ass-paining shit in the world : FACT CHECKING. Make sure your facts are straight! Don't introduce a scene a sunny day, and then fifteen minutes later have it be raining, or have people's clothing described as one way, and then have them in a completely different outfit in the same scene. You've gotta go back and make sure all the math adds up!

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At 7/4/09 03:10 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Also, and this is important: CHARACTER DYNAMICS. Things that happen to your characters change them. Your characters shouldn't think the same way, talk the same way, act the same way, or respond the same way they did when they were introduced.

I agree, though there are times when you might want a character's viewpoint to remain static for the majority or the entirety of your story. I generally think of the unwavering villain character when I say this: the villain that is evil and will not change even the slightest.

But, like you said, character development is key in writing.


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Even as an aspiring journalist I'm finding this whole thread a magnificent read. Especially FUNK's post about re-reading stuff in a different mood.
Thank you gais <3

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At 7/4/09 03:00 PM, Dobio wrote: Is it weird that even though you intentionally spelled grammar wrong I couldn't continue reading because it was pissing me off so fucking much? :)

PSSHHHH

I was just looking for witty comments like yours :P


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Pretty good guide, can't wait to read your novel ;)


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At 7/3/09 04:33 PM, TheAnimatorGuy wrote: mi englush techer tught me dis shit

She did not do a very good job.

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At 7/7/09 05:13 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote:
At 7/3/09 04:33 PM, TheAnimatorGuy wrote: mi englush techer tught me dis shit
She did not do a very good job.

She probably is crying somewhere in a corner.


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Very awesome. That is a very good tutorial. I can't wait for your novel!

BTW, I actually write things without knowing what's going to happen. That is my writing style, I really hate planning the ending >.< But most people do that, I guess it just depends on your style.


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